France Jobs

[Papa-Smuff]

I guess a lot of youths in France are protesting this law that their government is about to pass. From what I understand this law would allow employers to fire people below like 21 with out a reason.
So I wanted your input on whether you guys think this is a reasonable or good law. I personaly dont really see a problem with it. The employer should be able to run his business as they please.
I also wanted any sort of input from some one that knows the working conditions in France. Ive been hearing that the french get all of these days off and are basicly given an easy time.

[ProudDem0307]

I agree that it would be unfair to fire someone without a REASON. There should always be a reason why someone gets fired. But let's face it, France's socialist-style system is ruining its economy, and employment is already at 20% for youths. The French, on average, work around 35 hours per week. Many also get close to six weeks worth of vacation. I believe that France's system of entitleism has caused these riots.

[zzazzman]

Sounds like France needs a youth union.

[EvangelCry]

Yes the employers/buisness owners have the right to fire/hire (ha I sound like Donald Trump) But firing the employees without a reason? That's unfair- teenagers do have to work.

[AustinR]

if your a self owned buisness owner and you whant to fire someone because you feel like it, hey its your buisness butt you do have to facter in karma thouh

[Redbob86]

Sigh, all France had to do was eliminate this dumb 2-year law, and things would have gotten better.

[mofomojo]

At 3/29/06 01:34 AM, Papa_Smuff wrote: I guess a lot of youths in France are protesting this law that their government is about to pass. From what I understand this law would allow employers to fire people below like 21 with out a reason.

See; Humanism
Also see; Equal rights of all Citizens.

That's all I have to say.

[mofomojo]

Also, don't forget that the concept of equal justice refers to businesses as well.

[totoum]

ok here's the exact contract

2 years where you can be fired for no reason (though there'sa month between the moment the guy fires you and the day you're without a job

it's adressed to 25 and under

after that you get the same contract as everybody

youth is complaining about the fact that after working there ass off for 2 years you can get fired

the prime minister also passed the law using a technicality to make it pass without a debate in parlment

[Papa-Smuff]

Well with out this law, what reasons can a person get fired?

[mofomojo]

At 3/30/06 01:34 PM, totoum wrote: ok here's the exact contract

2 years where you can be fired for no reason (though there'sa month between the moment the guy fires you and the day you're without a job

it's adressed to 25 and under

after that you get the same contract as everybody

youth is complaining about the fact that after working there ass off for 2 years you can get fired

the prime minister also passed the law using a technicality to make it pass without a debate in parlment

In all honesty, as liberal as I thought france was, this is outrageous. The French PM oughtta burn in hell. Workers under 25 are college students, these people need GREATER job protection for income purposes, and general experience purposes (resume, etc).

You can't just fire them for no reason, what about racial reasons? This allows racism in job selection, something even more outrageous!

:O

[MarkyX]

At 3/29/06 10:25 PM, EvangelCry wrote: Yes the employers/buisness owners have the right to fire/hire (ha I sound like Donald Trump) But firing the employees without a reason? That's unfair- teenagers do have to work.

I don't know any business that would start firing people just for kicks. When you get fired or warned at the job, you are not doing anything right.

You know how much of a pain it is for a new employee? They need training, screw up a few weeks, and so forth.

You guys make it sound like employers fire people once a week. That simply isn't true

[adz71]

wtf kind of law is that?

[MortifiedPenguins]

It's a private business, they can fire and hire whoever they want.

[adz71]

but they should need a reason to fire people or else its just morally wrong really. but it would be funny

[HighlyIllogical]

Seems agist to me. Hire and fire ANYONE, regardless of age, as long as there's no discrimination.

[mofomojo]

At 3/30/06 04:35 PM, Fenrus1989 wrote: It's a private business, they can fire and hire whoever they want.

No, unfair and more over, injustice.

Firstly, the concept of equal justice under law is completely trampled on. Conservatives refer to jobs as if they're nothing. Jobs are peoples' lives; don't forget. You don't just change, irreperably, somebody's life and say; "Hey, my shit, gtfo!".

Sorry, sir. The lack of justice is astonishing, particularly emotional justice.

You can't just fire who you please, this isn't some anarchaic business model here; rules and regulations need to be in place. This is essentially, the abolition of habeas corpus (sp?) in business models. Even if you're wrong, and the reason is false, a reason still need be given.

Also, more importantly, the US gov't doesn't pay attention to habeas corpus when inprisoning "war criminals" in Gtnmo. That's off-topic, what is on-topic is that you're a lunatic providing terribly incomplete arguments; if a full argument was a circle, then yours would be an arch.

[MarkyX]

You can't just fire who you please, this isn't some anarchaic business model here; rules and regulations need to be in place.

Again, why would an employer fire whoever they please anytime? Bringing in a new inexperienced worker tends to really be crap for the first few weeks because they don't know the rules, make mistakes, and so forth.

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 3/30/06 04:43 PM, mofomojo wrote:

At 3/30/06 04:35 PM, Fenrus1989 wrote:

You can't just fire who you please, this isn't some anarchaic business model here; rules and regulations need to be in place. This is essentially, the abolition of habeas corpus (sp?) in business models. Even if you're wrong, and the reason is false, a reason still need be given.

Do you even know what Habeas corpus is. It is the Legitmacy of a prisoner's custody. That has nothing to fucking do with the argument.

Releasing a person from a job can be done at any time.

It's not a Discrimation violation and unless this person has a contract with the owner, they are at a complete mercy of the business.

If they worker is valuable, It would be idiotic to fire him. Businesses are open to this, they have thier rights to hire and fire whoever they want.

[Papa-Smuff]

I agree with fenrus. Business owners should be able to hire and fire who ever they like, it is their business. I also dont think this law would create discrimination either. If the person is helpful and profitable to the company then it wouldn't make sense to fire them. On the other hand if the person isnt helpful or a benefit to the business, I see no reason why the shouldnt be fired.