Propaganda

[Nylo]

It's everywhere, and all around people seem to mutually hate it. Like the world Liberal, it's mere use is almost culturally embedded in our minds as a bad thing. Can there ever be good propaganda?

[velocitom]

Yeah, I believe hitler used propoganda to stop people from smoking and drinking.

[No-one-inparticular]

The female orgasm is propaganda, but, without it, the human race would be extinct.

[bakem0n0]

Wow, first reply and already we've got a Hitler . . .

At 3/22/06 09:02 AM, Nylo wrote: Can there ever be good propaganda?

I'd say that propaganda could have good effects, but I don't think you should ever view propaganda as being "good."
Though I mock fahrenheit-'s use of Hitler as an example, it's still valid. The ends don't neccesarily justify the means -- I think anything good that could be done with propaganda could be done through less clandestine methods.

[HighlyIllogical]

La Marseillaise is propaganda, so is every other national anthem. Propaganda is inherent in civilized society.

[MindControlFun]

I think that all propaganda is wrong, no matter what the cause, becuase it's witholding some information that leads to the real truth. I mean this exists unintentionally (well, and intentionally) in most, if not all, information becuase of a bias, but if you CAN tell the truth, then it should be told.

[asdfrasdfg]

I think it would really have to fall on peoples ethical and moral beliefs. I mean, I'm sure some people find the "truth" advertisements good, and they're basically propaganda to get people to stop smoking. I personally hate them, but that's just because of my beliefs.

So I guess whether propaganda is good or bad is purely subjective.

[pt9-9]

Ignorance is bliss.

[<deleted>]

At 3/22/06 05:33 PM, MindControlFun wrote: I think that all propaganda is wrong, no matter what the cause, becuase it's witholding some information that leads to the real truth. I mean this exists unintentionally (well, and intentionally) in most, if not all, information becuase of a bias, but if you CAN tell the truth, then it should be told.

Your such a pussy

[MindControlFun]

At 3/22/06 05:47 PM, zeus_almighty wrote: Your such a pussy

I beg your pardon?

You call me a pussy for what reason? And even if there was a reason, what kind of credibility is there behind that? I mean, you didn't even spell you're correctly. Besides, how can I be a pussy for believing something and holding true to it? What, do you think that the spread of information is bad? That we should all be living in the stone age right now? Please, tell me more, unless you think that even that knowledge is being too much of a 'pussy'.

[mofomojo]

At 3/22/06 09:02 AM, Nylo wrote: Like the world Liberal, it's mere use is almost culturally embedded in our minds as a bad thing.

lol what?

[pt9-9]

At 3/22/06 05:33 PM, MindControlFun wrote: I think that all propaganda is wrong, no matter what the cause, becuase it's witholding some information that leads to the real truth. I mean this exists unintentionally (well, and intentionally) in most, if not all, information becuase of a bias, but if you CAN tell the truth, then it should be told.

When you take a bandaid off a scab, you don't take it off slowly, you rip it off as fast as you can, because the pain is ungratuitous.

Let's look at propoganda on a less-worldy scale. Suppose you Father recieved news that you were going to die in 3 weeks. He diced that it was best to tell you about your devestating situation, and it was impossible to recover. You then think to yourself. Personally, and honestly, would you want to know that you were going to die?
Would you want to know that there was an atomic bomb right above you and there was nothing you can do?
Would you want know that eternal salvation is only mythological(hmm....)?

Some truths should never be told.
Ignorance is bliss.

[Blackhawkdown]

I think you should judge propaganda on a case by case basis. I consider the propaganda sercualted by the US goverment in WWII, to be a good thing. It helped to raise toorp moral and inspire men to join the cause. But propaganda can also be evil as well, take a look how Hitler used it as spread anti semetitism. As I said, I think propaganda should be judged case by case.

[Elfer]

Sometimes propaganda has helpful hints and tips that can assist me in my daily choices.

[MindControlFun]

At 3/22/06 06:02 PM, pt9_9 wrote: When you take a bandaid off a scab, you don't take it off slowly, you rip it off as fast as you can, because the pain is ungratuitous.

Don't really get this part.

Let's look at propoganda on a less-worldy scale. Suppose you Father recieved news that you were going to die in 3 weeks. He diced that it was best to tell you about your devestating situation, and it was impossible to recover. You then think to yourself. Personally, and honestly, would you want to know that you were going to die?
Would you want to know that there was an atomic bomb right above you and there was nothing you can do?
Would you want know that eternal salvation is only mythological(hmm....)?

Some people wouldn't, but personally I would, so I can say last words or something to people I'll never see again. I see how this is related to propaganda, but most propaganda is like "join the war" and "beer is bad" etc, Which isn't entirely true. (you have to write a will before you go into battle, and beer is (well except for the alcohol) very nutritious and full of vitamins). Overall, I think that the truth should always be told (especially by the government), becuase if and when the truth is found out, it will cause distrust and confusion. I think it's just better to have the whole truth and form our own beliefs and perceptions rather than the government (or other places that generate propaganda) to control what we think. Hence, my name.

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

What is the difference between Public Service Announcements and Propaganda. I think that most people will agree that posters urging people to immunize their children are not propaganda and are good for society. What is the key element that Propaganda has that makes it different.

[Dash-Underscore-Dash]

At 3/22/06 09:02 AM, Nylo wrote: Like the world Liberal, it's mere use is almost culturally embedded in our minds as a bad thing.

About 50% does not count as "culturally embedded."

[fahrenheit]

At 3/22/06 06:02 PM, pt9_9 wrote: Would you want to know that there was an atomic bomb right above you and there was nothing you can do?

Yes, I would. Partly because then I could get everything off of my chest, if I knew when my last day/last week was it would be one helleva day/week.

[HarmonyClock]

At 3/22/06 09:02 AM, Nylo wrote: It's everywhere, and all around people seem to mutually hate it. Like the world Liberal, it's mere use is almost culturally embedded in our minds as a bad thing. Can there ever be good propaganda?

73% of the american people think Fox newsreports are accurate and do not critisize what is fed to them, now theyre happy, but does that make it good propaganda?

[Master-Of-Death-1]

propaganda is bad, but the use of it will never stop. poleticans hase a mind of ther own, and that mind says"PROPAGANDA IS TEH SHIT"

[JudgeDredd]

At 3/22/06 06:13 PM, Blackhawkdown wrote: I think you should judge propaganda on a case by case basis. I consider the propaganda sercualted by the US goverment in WWII..

Today's propaganda is (Japans) Koizumi revering WWII kamakaze pilots as heros, and getting Bush's support for helping an illegal war in Iraq. Kamakazes thou are martyrs..

"Martyrs: One who chooses to suffer death rather than renounce religious principles:"

simple test.. type

Kamikaze Marter.. (check result)

..then type Muslim Marter.....

"Did you mean: Muslim Martyr" <--- : ) winner!

[JudgeDredd]

type .. google search.. doh!

[punisher19848]

At 3/22/06 09:02 AM, Nylo wrote: Can there ever be good propaganda?

Depends on how you define "good."

To be safe, I'll just say that "good" propaganda is any propaganda that (a) supports your worldviews and (b) is effective as a persuasive tool. Beyond this, I have no other criteia for "good" propaganda.

[pt9-9]

At 3/22/06 08:51 PM, MindControlFun wrote:
. I think it's just better to have the whole truth and form our own beliefs and perceptions rather than the government (or other places that generate propaganda) to control what we think. Hence, my name.

Schools generates propoganda, parents generates propoganda, history devlops propoganda, almost everything that's anything propogates propoganda.

By making decisions by ourselves, with no influences, we might as well just live in a box. The reason why someone could say that 2 * 2=4 is because someone told them that 1+1=2, if you catch my drift. Society is formed by propoganda, and society gives answers to our questions, and society needs a government.

To say that you want to know something isn't enough evidence to prove your point. When you're in a certain situation, it's more than ideal. One can always say something outside of the norm, because there is nothing to prove, which goes deeper into discussion.

Also, by saying killing is good, it is equivalent in the magnitude of propoganda as though you were saying killing is bad. Some things need to be inferred upon, unfortunatly, people like Hitler master the art of propoganda, hence distorting views to an eccentric point.

[MindControlFun]

At 3/23/06 07:06 PM, pt9_9 wrote: By making decisions by ourselves, with no influences, we might as well just live in a box.

Not without influences, but with all influences. Thus, getting the whole story and being able to make educated decisions.

To say that you want to know something isn't enough evidence to prove your point. When you're in a certain situation, it's more than ideal. One can always say something outside of the norm, because there is nothing to prove, which goes deeper into discussion.

So what if (and this does happen) we are told the one-sided story that sex is bad for you during our high school career? Yes, they have good intentions, but they refuse to tell the whole truth, thus making it seem like they encourage ignorance. And as far as drugs (well, except smoking and alcohol, which strangely are legal), mostly everything can be/is good for you, as long as it's taken in moderation. So specifically what kind of propaganda is good propaganda?

Also, by saying killing is good, it is equivalent in the magnitude of propoganda as though you were saying killing is bad.

and......? You're proving my point.

Some things need to be inferred upon, unfortunatly, people like Hitler master the art of propoganda, hence distorting views to an eccentric point.

Again, you're proving my point, that propaganda is bad.

[pt9-9]

Not without influences, but with all influences. Thus, getting the whole story and being able to make educated decisions.

I'm not sure what that means...

So what if (and this does happen) we are told the one-sided story that sex is bad for you during our high school career? Yes, they have good intentions, but they refuse to tell the whole truth, thus making it seem like they encourage ignorance. And as far as drugs (well, except smoking and alcohol, which strangely are legal), mostly everything can be/is good for you, as long as it's taken in moderation. So specifically what kind of propaganda is good propaganda?

Encouraging ignorance is a deragotory way of saying maintaining innocence. The fact that morally-bound propoganada is used for good intentions is proof that it is, well, good. In other, small cases, it is used unfairly.

:: and......? You're proving my point.
What i'm trying to prove is that no matter what is said, it will always be a doctrine. It's inevitable, but not neccesarilly bad.

Some things need to be inferred upon, unfortunatly, people like Hitler master the art of propoganda, hence distorting views to an eccentric point.

Again, you're proving my point, that propaganda is bad.

Above response, rare but effective cases.

[GodModeGOD]

Propaganda, can be used for good or evil ends, but the mean is not "good" by any account. Propaganda is comparable to scare tactics. Some evil may be used for the good of the win says the internets

~You know you love it...

[HighlyIllogical]

At 3/23/06 08:40 PM, MindControlFun wrote:

So what if (and this does happen) we are told the one-sided story that sex is bad for you

Good linked story.

[Dash-Underscore-Dash]

At 3/23/06 04:27 AM, HarmonyClock wrote:

73% of the american people think Fox newsreports are accurate and do not critisize what is fed to them, now theyre happy, but does that make it good propaganda?

Do you realize that your signature picture is a contrasting contradiction to your user name and signature text text?

[MindControlFun]

At 3/23/06 09:38 PM, pt9_9 wrote: I'm not sure what that means...

You said "By making decisions by ourselves, with no influences, we might as well just live in a box", and I was pointing out that I was not for no influences over our decisions, but ALL influences over our decisions, as to get to the best possible truth, therefore making a well-educated decision.

Encouraging ignorance is a deragotory way of saying maintaining innocence. The fact that morally-bound propoganada is used for good intentions is proof that it is, well, good.

So we should never know about killing to stay innocent? And never learn the concept of child molesters, because ignorance is innocence?