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At 3/22/06 03:23 PM, -MuTe_EcHo- wrote: the Israeli lobby has always treated congress as its "bitch".the Israeli lobby throws money all the time and ignoring the fact that what they are doing is making problems worse.

You can't prove that.

they can get their country excused from its aggressive and violent practises like shooting un armed children and blowing up entire buildings deep in Palestinian territory.

Oh that's pure, unadulterated bullshit. Shooting unarmed children? How about Palestinian TERRORISTS going into malls and blowing up kids, how about that? What about these terrorists, who could just sit back and accept israel, indoctrinating CHILDREN to blow themselves up?

At 3/22/06 04:21 PM, Joodah wrote:

At 3/22/06 03:11 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote:

None of the Arabs will agree to that. And I don't see much sense in turning over Jerusalem to the Church.

i'm with gunny on this.

C'est moi, Mackid. Changed my name.

when i went to the church of the holy sepulchure in jerusalem, they have an interesting decoration: there is a couple HUNDRED year old ladder on the roof, where they caught a priest cleaning the windows. the reason it is still up there is that the different sects of christianity cannot agree on who controls that part of the church.

The Christians can't control it, the Arabs certainly can't control it. We can. Only Israel has the right to control Jerusalem. It's OUR city.

At 3/22/06 05:02 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote:

C'est moi, Mackid. Changed my name.

yeah, i know. i just think its cool to be able to call someone gunny.

The Christians can't control it, the Arabs certainly can't control it. We can. Only Israel has the right to control Jerusalem. It's OUR city.

yup. proven time and again.

At 3/22/06 05:00 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote:

At 3/22/06 03:23 PM, -MuTe_EcHo- wrote:

You can't prove that.

It happens all the time,just stop ingoring when other people are trying to tell you.

Oh that's pure, unadulterated bullshit. Shooting unarmed children? How about Palestinian TERRORISTS going into malls and blowing up kids, how about that? What about these terrorists, who could just sit back and accept israel, indoctrinating CHILDREN to blow themselves up?

Why do you think Palestinians are willing to send their children to attack Israelis?Its because these foreign groups of people from Europe(Jews) just decided to come in the land of the Palestinians who had been living there for over a thousand years uninterrupted except with the Crusades and these people from Europe decided to put a country on top of them that they neither didnt want or care for.Then the Palestinians who had lived there are attacked to make room for Israeli settlers and some were even raped by Israeli settlers.Ethnic cleansing is commited by Israelis,then Arab Countries attack Israel but Israel is all pumped up because If Israel wanted it could take on 20 nations of course with the help of its mommy nation the USA.

If you think palestinian children are blowing themselves everyday you are wrong.Its Israeli military that is raiding palestinian homes,bulldosing palestinian homes by the dosens.Blowing up cars in the street not caring if innocents are killed.Entire apartment buildings have been known to be destroyed by Israeli Helicopters bought from the USA.

And attacks on Palestinians happen almost evry single day.The Palestinian economy already is crippled.Israeli soldiers have destroyed Palestinian ports,halting any trade with others.Whatever money that is coming to the Palestinians that is needed to rebuild structures is immediately withheld by the Israeli government.While the Israel lobby is able to persuade the US to send billions of US tax dollars to Israel.Israel is completely dependant on US money.Without US money Israel would be extremely weak.

http://ifamericansknew.com/

heres an excellent source to read up on.You will find out what people really is suffering.

What do you expect the Palestinians to do?Let Israel completely over shadow them make the Palestinian problem non existent in the world?Not let the Palestinian voice be heard?

the palestinians are willing to sacrifice their children to kill israelis because yasser arafat paid them to. i don't remember exactly, but the figure was around $600 for each injury, and around $2000 for each death.

At 3/22/06 05:02 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote:

At 3/22/06 04:21 PM, Joodah wrote:

At 3/22/06 03:11 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote:

The Christians can't control it, the Arabs certainly can't control it. We can. Only Israel has the right to control Jerusalem. It's OUR city.

Actually It's your occupied city, Seeing as how your people didn't start the foundations.

In all fairness it's a Cannanite City. Christians have just as much of a Claim to the City as any Arab or Jew.

This city is a Monument to all Abrahamic Religions and shouldn't be controlled by one Country.

At 3/22/06 06:00 PM, Joodah wrote: the palestinians are willing to sacrifice their children to kill israelis because yasser arafat paid them to. i don't remember exactly, but the figure was around $600 for each injury, and around $2000 for each death.

Can you name any recent times like this year?

The Palestinians are on a road to recovery.Wiith Hamas in power they cant afford to attack with suicide bombings.

At 3/22/06 06:23 PM, Fenrus1989 wrote:

Actually It's your occupied city, Seeing as how your people didn't start the foundations.

In all fairness it's a Cannanite City. Christians have just as much of a Claim to the City as any Arab or Jew.

This city is a Monument to all Abrahamic Religions and shouldn't be controlled by one Country.

yeha, but the cannanites are all dead, so we have the next pressing claim. actually the cannanites were integrated into the israelites, so we are them. so our claim still stands above everyone else's.

At 3/22/06 06:33 PM, -MuTe_EcHo- wrote:

Can you name any recent times like this year?

The Palestinians are on a road to recovery.Wiith Hamas in power they cant afford to attack with suicide bombings.

no, i cant. this is because the palestinians know that the spotlight is focused on them now, so they cannot afford to fuck this up. and also, if they did hit us agian, we'd just retake the land, and never give them anything.

At 3/22/06 06:38 PM, Joodah wrote:

At 3/22/06 06:33 PM, -MuTe_EcHo- wrote:

Can you name any recent times like this year?

The Palestinians are on a road to recovery.Wiith Hamas in power they cant afford to attack with suicide bombings.

no, i cant. this is because the palestinians know that the spotlight is focused on them now, so they cannot afford to fuck this up. and also, if they did hit us agian, we'd just retake the land, and never give them anything.

So by simply putting Israeli soldiers into Palestinian territory and coloring the west bank and gaza as Israeli territory on maps then you are guaranteed from not getting attacked by these Arabs who have lived there for 1,000 years peacefully before you guys messed the place up?

Good plan you guys should try it,It would be interesting to see how fast the resistance could increase 100 fold.

The Caanites are dead.All the Israelis related to them are dead or either migrating to europe or are now scattered in the Middle East.And the Jews living in Europe either have completely lost their roots in Israel or are completely European.the Israelis that now live in Israel are mostly of European origin.

At 3/22/06 07:18 PM, -MuTe_EcHo- wrote:

So by simply putting Israeli soldiers into Palestinian territory and coloring the west bank and gaza as Israeli territory on maps then you are guaranteed from not getting attacked by these Arabs who have lived there for 1,000 years peacefully before you guys messed the place up?

we fucked things up? nope. that was britain with the balfour declaration. we were going to retake the holy land anyway, but britain gave us a hand. at the same time, they slapped us in the face by supporting the arabs who were murdering our people. and who said anything about not being attacked. if we wanted to be as evil as we're made out to be, we could just kill all of the palestinians. we could not really get any more bad press. and we'd save ourselves future trouble. if the palestinians or other arabs were in charge, thats what they would do. damn good thing we're so nice and willing to be shat on by the world press for the sake of a group of people who never did us any favors.

how can they all be dead if they're scattered in the ME or in europe?

At 3/22/06 06:37 PM, Joodah wrote: yeha, but the cannanites are all dead, so we have the next pressing claim. actually the cannanites were integrated into the israelites, so we are them. so our claim still stands above everyone else's.

The Jews claim is over 2000 years old. Real legitimate, smartie. I mean, I think Israel belongs to the Jews because of the British parceling of land that was THEIRS the way they wanted to (its how shit worked back than and the action cant be taken back). But claiming since Jews lived there a long time ago they deserve the land? I suppose the Greeks deserve Annatolia also?

At 3/22/06 07:37 PM, Joodah wrote: we were going to retake the holy land anyway, but britain gave us a hand.

That is the biggest load of horseshit I have ever heard. Just because the World Zionist Organization wanted Israel didnt mean you would get it. You are DAMN lucky the Brits supported you otherwise you would have never had it.

at the same time, they slapped us in the face by supporting the arabs who were murdering our people.

And the Jews decided to bomb the King David Hotel. Cut the self righteous bullshit out.

damn good thing we're so nice and willing to be shat on by the world press for the sake of a group of people who never did us any favors.

Ohhh a self righteous prick who also happens to be a giant blowhard. How cute.

At 3/22/06 08:00 PM, FAB0L0US wrote:

The Jews claim is over 2000 years old. Real legitimate, smartie. I mean, I think Israel belongs to the Jews because of the British parceling of land that was THEIRS the way they wanted to (its how shit worked back than and the action cant be taken back). But claiming since Jews lived there a long time ago they deserve the land? I suppose the Greeks deserve Annatolia also?

yeah, and so? the british gave it to us anyway...

That is the biggest load of horseshit I have ever heard. Just because the World Zionist Organization wanted Israel didnt mean you would get it. You are DAMN lucky the Brits supported you otherwise you would have never had it.

heh. right. supported us how? by restricing our immigration so that we coud not get enough people to ensure our safety?
by restricting our armaments so that we had a harder time defenging ourselves?

And the Jews decided to bomb the King David Hotel. Cut the self righteous bullshit out.

btw, that happened after they were supporting the people who were trying to kill us. and we called them with a warning ahead of time, so the fact that people got hurt is their own damn fault.

Ohhh a self righteous prick who also happens to be a giant blowhard. How cute.

who are you to judge?

At 3/22/06 08:04 PM, Joodah wrote:

And the Jews decided to bomb the King David Hotel. Cut the self righteous bullshit out.

btw, that happened after they were supporting the people who were trying to kill us. and we called them with a warning ahead of time, so the fact that people got hurt is their own damn fault.

I didn't know bombing was moral as long as you call in a threat first. lol.

At 3/22/06 08:19 PM, The_Last_Cynic wrote:

I didn't know bombing was moral as long as you call in a threat first. lol.

didn't say it was moral. the bombing was committed by an unsanctioned terrorist splinter group. but i do understand what they were doing, and at least they warned the brits first.

At 3/22/06 08:23 PM, Joodah wrote: didn't say it was moral. the bombing was committed by an unsanctioned terrorist splinter group. but i do understand what they were doing, and at least they warned the brits first.

So you sympthathize with terrorists as long as they're on your side.

At 3/22/06 08:26 PM, The_Last_Cynic wrote:

So you sympthathize with terrorists as long as they're on your side.

no...i sympathize with terrorists if they make every effort m=not to kill people. but yes, being on my side helps a bit.

At 3/22/06 08:04 PM, Joodah wrote: heh. right. supported us how? by restricing our immigration so that we coud not get enough people to ensure our safety?

IT WASNT YOUR COUNTRY. What right did the Jews have to immigration except at the British's say?

by restricting our armaments so that we had a harder time defenging ourselves?

Defend yourselves? You mean put an army together for a country that wasnt yours? Wanna know what I compare that to? The Palestinian militia that put together tanks, artillery, and an army in Lebanon that Israel used as justification for invasion. They had no right to create an army outside of British authority and the British could do with them as they wished.

The Irgun was classified by British authorities as a terrorist organization and regularly described as such by many, but others considered it to be a liberation movement. Its political association with Revisionist Zionism rendered it a predecessor movement to modern Israel's right-wing Likud party/coalition.
Great people, huh?

After the war, the Haganah carried out anti-British operations in Palestine. Liberation of interned immigrants from the Atlit camp, the bombing of the country's railroad network, sabotage raids on radar installations and bases of the British police. It also continued to organize illegal immigration.
Great way to repay the people who gave you the damned country.

btw, that happened after they were supporting the people who were trying to kill us. and we called them with a warning ahead of time, so the fact that people got hurt is their own damn fault.

LOL. I hope all the prick ass Jews like you get whats coming to you.

who are you to judge?

Your fuckin ridiculous. Look at what you said. You threatened genocide of the Palestinians. Arent your people supposed to be the ones who know what persecution and genocide is all about? Apparently you didnt learn very much from their experience.

Forgot these.

At 3/22/06 08:23 PM, Joodah wrote: didn't say it was moral. the bombing was committed by an unsanctioned terrorist splinter group. but i do understand what they were doing, and at least they warned the brits first.

1) Menachem Begin writes (p. 221, The Revolt, <1951> ed.) that the telephone message was delivered 25 - 27 minutes before the explosion. The British authorities denied for many years that there had been a warning at all, but the leaking of the internal police report on the bombing during the 1970s proved that a warning had indeed been received. However, the report claimed that the warning was only just being delivered to the hotel manager as the bomb went off.
25 Minutes is a JOKE
2) They were terrorists but unsanctioned and splinter groups? Two of the Prime Ministers of Israel were involved with the planning of the action.

The attack was initially ordered by David Ben Gurion, who was in the United States, but he later changed his mind and ordered the bombing to be cancelled. But Menachem Begin, the head of Irgun, went ahead anyway. Both Ben Gurion and Begin would later become Israeli Prime Ministers. The attack was commanded by Yosef Avni and Yisrael Levi.
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At 3/22/06 08:41 PM, Joodah wrote: no...i sympathize with terrorists if they make every effort m=not to kill people. but yes, being on my side helps a bit.

OMG LOL. To funny.

At 3/22/06 09:16 PM, FAB0L0US wrote:

1) Menachem Begin writes (p. 221, The Revolt, <1951> ed.) that the telephone message was delivered 25 - 27 minutes before the explosion. The British authorities denied for many years that there had been a warning at all, but the leaking of the internal police report on the bombing during the 1970s proved that a warning had indeed been received. However, the report claimed that the warning was only just being delivered to the hotel manager as the bomb went off.

we sent a message. is it our fault if they ignore it? nope.

25 Minutes is a JOKE

'k, about what?

2) They were terrorists but unsanctioned and splinter groups? Two of the Prime Ministers of Israel were involved with the planning of the action.

The attack was initially ordered by David Ben Gurion, who was in the United States, but he later changed his mind and ordered the bombing to be cancelled. But Menachem Begin, the head of Irgun, went ahead anyway. Both Ben Gurion and Begin would later become Israeli Prime Ministers. The attack was commanded by Yosef Avni and Yisrael Levi.

so ben gurion didn't do anything, and it's not his fault. your point?
begin, however, was responsible. i didn't vote for him, and i didn't choose him for PM.

Seeing as how it's not Israel's fault because they accidently leaked info 25 minutes before their attack. Does that mean it's not the Munich hostage takers fault they executed the athletes because they warned authorities before hand, and then commited the impending brutal massacre?

At 3/22/06 10:34 PM, The_Last_Cynic wrote: Seeing as how it's not Israel's fault because they accidently leaked info 25 minutes before their attack. Does that mean it's not the Munich hostage takers fault they executed the athletes because they warned authorities before hand, and then commited the impending brutal massacre?

different circumstances. the olympics were murder, the bombing at the hotel was intended not to hurt anyone, just destroy materials.

At 3/22/06 10:34 PM, The_Last_Cynic wrote: Seeing as how it's not Israel's fault because they accidently leaked info 25 minutes before their attack.

Your so stupid, just before this you, yourself, quoted that Ben Gurion planned to warn the Brits, this is true and the Brits admitted it later. Also, at the time Ben Gurion was not the PM, because Israel didn't exist yet.

Just to say some words on other issues here:

1. Iran calls itself a theocracy, not a democracy.
2. One of Hammas' stated purposes is to destroy the Israeli state. So, call it terrorism, then its terrorism, call it "war", then its suicide bombers purposefully killing as many civilians as possible.
3. As someone said before, Israel is Israel because of the British handing over the land. The ancient stuff is bs. Then we could give all of Asia to the Mongols, Europe to Rome and North America to a Bunch of Native tribes.
4. This article is not Nazism; however, it is from a known, "slanted, biased" source, an anti-israel one. There are also, anti-arab ones. There is no such thing as true equality.
5. I highly doubt anyone has thought about this; however; Israel, is purely defensive in use of high powered weapons(nukes, chemical shit) Iran has a leader, that has called for the destruction of Israel (hint, hint) Also, Iran is a Shiite country, by stopping Iran from developing Nukes, we could save thousands of Jews, Christians and Sunni Muslims, whom the Shiites would love to kill.
6. Also, it may just be my bias; however, it seems that Israel only kills Palestinians, in retaliation and prevention of attack (please show me counter-evidence)

Americas isreals bitch, anyone who cant figure that out must either be a victem of Fox or just a plain idiot.

after reading this thread it has come to my knowlodge that anyone who supports the illegal Arab occupation of the Jewish and Christian Holy Land is absolutly insane. The Jews are the rightful rulers of Israel, not the Arabs. They have no real claim to legitamacy. Muslims have no reason being there. Anyone here who said Iran is a democracy...wow...and to the guy accusing us of being rascists, how ignroant can you get? You are an anti-semetic low life who has addmitted to being a nazi...

At 3/23/06 09:34 AM, GBVrallyCI wrote: after reading this thread it has come to my knowlodge that anyone who supports the illegal Arab occupation of the Jewish and Christian Holy Land is absolutly insane.

Yeah, I totally agree here. I also think that people who would disagree with theoretical Mexican immigrants claiming an independent state in California are insane, and people who disagree with Muslim immigrants claiming an independent state in Southern Spain are among the worst. I mean, these immigrants are vaguely related to people who owned the land at some point in history, so that gives them a fully legitimate claim to founding an independent state there after migrating, am I right? A more legitimate claim than the 1948 Zionist claim at least, because Jews didn't have an independent kingdom in those lands for at least two thousand years.

But we at least safely conclude that the fact that there are already people living in those lands who have hundreds of years of being the vast majority in the disputed territory is highly irrelevant. They'll just have to move, or be purged for that matter. Just like Palestine. In fact, I think my Homo Habilis ancestors came form Africa or something, giving me and my family the inherent right to claim parts of Africa as our own country, and kick the locals out of their houses when we succeed. It all makes perfect sense to me now.

Or your logic is pathetic. One of the two.

At 3/21/06 06:26 PM, Mighty_Genghis wrote: More nazi propoganda...

Oh look kids. It's another skinhead trying to justify his party's many atrocities.

you have got to be screwing me in the ass in an alternate universe!