v for vendetta

[ironmaiden233]

there was a big arguement between two teachers at my school. one said the moive(v for vendetta) must beseen by everyone and one said it was bullshit. whats everyones opinion?

[BFG-Nine-Thousand]

This doesn't belong in Politics. Repost it in General, if you want to.

[stafffighter]

It's actually a peice of work that raises many political issues so this is the place for it.
First of all it calls to question the rights of people to question their government. The people in the movie were rendered complacent and even supportave of unacceptable due to the power and media control of their government. Could V be called a terrorist for fighting against a clearly evil system? Does the reason overcome the act. my feeling is that it does.
And while there more refrences to morderrn things such as abu grad these were only modern examples of the theme that already existed in the book. They fit perfectly because these are acts that the good guys cannot do. This is in no way a call for violent action but a precation not to become the same as the people and country in this movie were.

[x-Toadenalin-x]

This post by Redbob is a pretty thorough exploration of V for Vendetta. Strong Conservative bias, but still very intelligent.

Too bad its in General.

[stafffighter]

At 3/21/06 11:59 AM, x_Toadenalin_x wrote: This post by Redbob is a pretty thorough exploration of V for Vendetta. Strong Conservative bias, but still very intelligent.

He could see no connection to the modern refrences and the totalitarian themes already existant in the book. He was a reactionary little bitch.

Too bad its in General.

If I could I'd put it in ultra-general along with "photoshop all time favorite songs mario lolz"

[ZachMM]

Yeah this can belong in either one. In my opinion that movie looked pretty good.

[Ravariel]

Dude, it's got Elrond in it, it's GOTTA be awesome!

[No-one-inparticular]

Hugo Weaving plays the title character. I'm pretty sure he was the evil Frenchman in the Matrix 2 and 3.

[psychedelicjesus]

this movie should be seen by everyone inculdeing people who support the patriot act

[Gendo]

The film(and the graphic novel) are masterpieces.
Every liberal, nihilist and anarchist on earth should see it.
It could also be used on uber-conservatives Ludovico-style as a method of torture...

[MarkyX]

It's a very good film, I liked it. However, the one two things that I felt weren't really needed was "Coalition of the Willing" flag and the quirk of "Koran having beatiful imagery"

Not really religious, but doesn't the bible too have beautiful imagery? It's rather one sided.

While the movie is good, I have a feeling that there is many idiots out there who actually believe that a situation like this is JUST around the corner, when it's not. The only message that I got was that big government, not matter how left or right it is, is a bad thing.

I've read the comic and the two versions are quite different. I didn't like V in the movie as much because he seemed rather predictable. V in the original comic was an anarchist who despised government. At the end of the comic, you couldn't help but HATE the guy. Moore wanted two extremes in the political spectrum at each other: Facist and Anarchist. The movie was more of "Government did BAD things to me, waa"

And no, I honestly believe that the patriot act will not magically turn United States into what is protrayed in the movie. Anyone who actually believes that should check themselves to the nearest mental hospital. This is a movie that bends reality, not based on fact.

[Hamslice]

It's a great movie, and I think everyone should see it, it does raise lots of questions.

Is the teacher that calls it bullshit a Bush follower? Because 'America's War' started by Bush causes an american civil war in the movie.

[Ivan-P-Freely]

In the movie, V recites possibly the most mind-numbingly retarted monologue ever:

"This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is it vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished, as the once vital voice of the verisimilitude now venerates what they once vilified. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified, and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin van-guarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition. The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous. Verily, this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose vis-à-vis an introduction, and so it is my very good honor to meet you and you may call me V."

How the hell are you even supposd to know what this means, let alone follow it in real-time with the movie? Hmm.... does this slurry reminde anyone of the archetects monologue from the matrix?

[Gendo]

At 3/23/06 02:29 AM, Bantooma wrote: How the hell are you even supposd to know what this means, let alone follow it in real-time with the movie? Hmm.... does this slurry reminde anyone of the archetects monologue from the matrix?

No, because V's was intentionally batty, it's supposed to be funny.
Anyone who understands the concept of an extended alliteration would find it funny.

[TommyGun]

At 3/23/06 02:29 AM, Bantooma wrote: In the movie, V recites possibly the most mind-numbingly retarted monologue ever:

"V is for absolute bullshit

Vow Vthe Vuck Van Vthe Vnormal Verson Vunderstand Vhat Vtatement?

[MarkyX]

At 3/23/06 08:26 AM, Suudsu wrote:

At 3/23/06 02:29 AM, Bantooma wrote: How the hell are you even supposd to know what this means, let alone follow it in real-time with the movie? Hmm.... does this slurry reminde anyone of the archetects monologue from the matrix?

No, because V's was intentionally batty, it's supposed to be funny.
Anyone who understands the concept of an extended alliteration would find it funny.

How is that funny? This is the brother's "We are TEH artists" at work.

In the comic, he just simply says "I have no name, so just call me V"

[Dark-Knight]

At 3/22/06 12:02 AM, SteelSwilla wrote: Hugo Weaving plays the title character. I'm pretty sure he was the evil Frenchman in the Matrix 2 and 3.

no you fuckin dumbass Hugo Weaving play'd Agent Smith who was in all 3 matrix movies the main villian

[DingoTheDog]

Ive yet to see the movie. To be honest I was never planning to until recently. I got the impression it would be another thoughtless film with a super hero character that saves the maidens fair. From the sounds of it its a film about a totalitarian regime being in power which someone rises up against. This to me doesnt sound very original with books like Fahrenheit 451 (Ray Bradbury) and 1984 (Orwell) being around. Also i thought that since its a Hollywood Blockbuster type film it would have less than 1/2 the intelligence of the books i mentioned. I thought at Best V for Vendetta might be better than Equilibrium (which for the record was shite).

Could anyone explain to me why this film is anything special?
What is the basis for the totalitarian regime in the film. What is the Political Stance in the film, and does this film compare in anyway to 1984 and Fahrenheit 451?
Is it honestly worth me wasting time and money to see?

Big budget and Big Explosions a good film does not make.

[No-one-inparticular]

At 3/23/06 09:14 AM, _Dark_Knight_ wrote:

At 3/22/06 12:02 AM, SteelSwilla wrote: Hugo Weaving plays the title character. I'm pretty sure he was the evil Frenchman in the Matrix 2 and 3.

no you fuckin dumbass Hugo Weaving play'd Agent Smith who was in all 3 matrix movies the main villian

I never said it as matter-of-fact, I said I was pretty sure. Maybe you should go out and buy yourself a thesaurus. It will help you learn more imaginative insults, and as an added bonus, you will come off sounding like how an eight-teen-year-old should sound.....erudite.

[Jerkapotamus]

It was worth seeing if you ignore all the anti-conservatism and the Prime Minister's teeth. The book was written while a conservative was Prime Minister. Great Britian was doing pretty well off during that time actually but someone obviously didn't like him too much...

[The-Last-Cynic]

Britain was in great shape during the Thatcher administration. Right .

[SuperAlt]

it was a crazy and intense movie!

[stafffighter]

At 3/23/06 08:44 PM, Jerkapotomus wrote: It was worth seeing if you ignore all the anti-conservatism and the Prime Minister's teeth. The book was written while a conservative was Prime Minister. Great Britian was doing pretty well off during that time actually but someone obviously didn't like him too much...

How do you know how they were doing if you don't know the gender the prime minister was?

[HighlyIllogical]

At 3/23/06 02:29 AM, Bantooma wrote: In the movie, V recites possibly the most mind-numbingly retarted monologue ever:

[Verily, it's Lots of Vs' using highly advanced vocabulary.]

Actually, it makes alot of sense. I like it.

[stafffighter]

At 3/23/06 08:44 PM, Jerkapotomus wrote: It was worth seeing if you ignore all the anti-conservatism

Second point, that's like saying Terminator was good if you ignore the homicidle robot

[Freemind]

At 3/23/06 02:29 AM, Bantooma wrote: In the movie, V recites possibly the most mind-numbingly retarted monologue ever:
How the hell are you even supposd to know what this means, let alone follow it in real-time with the movie?

Don't bash something for using words you don't understand. Pick up a dictionary and look up the words you don't know. As someone said before me it is a extended alliteration and it is meant for humor.

[Empanado]

At 3/23/06 09:27 PM, stafffighter wrote: Second point, that's like saying Terminator was good if you ignore the homicidle robot

There was a homicidal robot in Terminator?

Anyways. My guess is that the movie will suck badly, if only for the reasons being:
1) Wachowskies suck.
2) Alan Moore graphic novel + Hollywood = Shit. 'XGL', 'Constantine', 'From Hell'. Shit.

I will still see it, however, if only for the sake of masochism.

[stafffighter]

Constentine and From Hell were good. This movie is as well if you're willing to sit through a movie with actual content.

[Empanado]

At 3/23/06 09:59 PM, stafffighter wrote: Constentine and From Hell were good. This movie is as well if you're willing to sit through a movie with actual content.

Granted, From Hell was marginally acceptable. Constantine was good as well, if by "good", you mean "ABSOLUTELY DESPERATE ATTEMPT TO MAKE KEANU REEVES LOOK COOL". And the whole "I tried to kill myself so now my soul is condemned" shtick's just trying to appeal to the goth/emo audience. I could go on for hours on how Constantine is he biggest piece of shit in the last few years, but that'd be getting a little bit too off-topic.

I don't really see why there's all this fuzz about this movie. "Most political movie since JFK"? My ass. Maybe Hollywood really just needs some balls to produce a movie with enough content that actually deserves to be discussed in a politics BBS.

[stafffighter]

At 3/23/06 10:28 PM, Empanado wrote:

I don't really see why there's all this fuzz about this movie. "Most political movie since JFK"? My ass. Maybe Hollywood really just needs some balls to produce a movie with enough content that actually deserves to be discussed in a politics BBS.

You're just begging the micheal moore spammers to come back. The movie was, although not as effectly as the book, an example of the long standing tradition of using fiction to illistrate truth.