Firearms

[HighlyIllogical]

Click this link and take the short quiz.

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[Me-Patch]

At 3/16/06 05:39 PM, mackid wrote: Click this link and take the short quiz.

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So don't buy a gun then MacKid, you messy up my forum with all these anti-gun topics, we get it already. Your a liberal hurray.

[TheShrike]

You don't have to take the quiz. I clicked the submit button, and got this:

Thanks for taking the quiz. Here are the answers:

Every three hours a teenager or child dies from guns.

True: A total of 2,893 teens and children died of gun fire in 2002.

Firearms are the fifth leading cause of death for children between 15 and 19.

False: It is the second leading cause of death after motor vehicle accidents. It is the third leading cause of death among children between 10 and 14.

The rate of firearm deaths for those under fourteen years old in the U.S. is equal to the rate in 25 other industrialized nations combined.

False: The rate is twelve times higher in the U.S. than 25 other industrialized nations combined.

A gun kept in the home is 22 times more likely to be used in an unintentional shooting, a criminal assault or homicide, or an attempted or completed suicide than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense.

True: A gun kept in the home is 22 times more likely to be used in an unintentional shooting (4 times), a criminal assault or homicide (7 times), or an attempted or completed suicide (11 times) than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense.

And all I can say is... meh.
We don't need more gun control, we need less stupid people.

[TheTrueMrJack]

And all I can say is... meh.
We don't need more gun control, we need less stupid people.

Lets shoot em.

[HighlyIllogical]

At 3/16/06 06:25 PM, TheShrike wrote: And all I can say is... meh.

You say "meh" to the fact that firearms are the second leading killer of teenagers? You say "meh" to the fact that guns kept in the home are 22 times more likely to be used for purposes aside from killing a criminal (as stated above)?

[RedSkunk]

I want a handgun.

[Blackhawkdown]

The fact is that the Brady cooperation more often then not completely misrepesents, or flat out lies about the data they use. Take good notice of how none of the statistics they used are cited. Why would you do that, espically when it's so easy to link everything using the internet, could it becuase the statistics they use are completely misrepresented, or made up?

[RedSkunk]

At 3/16/06 08:30 PM, Blackhawkdown wrote: Take good notice of how none of the statistics they used are cited. Why would you do that, espically when it's so easy to link everything using the internet, could it becuase the statistics they use are completely misrepresented, or made up?

"To see sources and more facts, go to www.bradycampaign.org/facts/factsheets/."

Right..

[TheTrueMrJack]

You say "meh" to the fact that firearms are the second leading killer of teenagers? You say "meh" to the fact that guns kept in the home are 22 times more likely to be used for purposes aside from killing a criminal (as stated above)?

So fucking what I say. If we were to put more regulations on gun control then this economy would go haywaire. Also, the argument that most people whom keep guns as home defense is a terrible one. If you wanna have a guns, don't use it for home defense. Some people are just too plain stupid to live in th9is world. This is sad but there is no other way to put it.

So what if it is the second most killer of teenagers? If I remeber correctly, teenagers tend to fall victim to teenagers more often in murder cases. Also if I remeber correctly, teenagers #1 cause of death is accidents. Thus, I have to conclude that teenagers tend to have developing minds and surging hormones. This tends to make them... oh.... DO STUPID SHIT.

I must conclude that teenagers therefor would find anouther way to killl each other. (Probably more interesting and creative, but that is no reason for more gun control)

[Begoner]

We should have much stricter laws on gun control. In fact, I think we should only be allowed to own non-lethal guns, like noise guns:

http://www.wanttoknow.info/noisegun

[Mr-Snickers]

Whoah whoah whoah, you mean guns hurt people? Oh my god let me calm down for a second. See I did not see this coming. What the hell do you expect, you have a gun, its meant for shooting things so something will probably get shot. This topic is meaningless. Is it bad that kids are dying? Yes. But Im with the other guy. Meh/

[Blackhawkdown]

At 3/16/06 08:22 PM, mackid wrote:

At 3/16/06 06:25 PM, TheShrike wrote: And all I can say is... meh.

You say "meh" to the fact that firearms are the second leading killer of teenagers? You say "meh" to the fact that guns kept in the home are 22 times more likely to be used for purposes aside from killing a criminal (as stated above)?

I wonder how many of those teenagers were involved in gang activity when they were killed? Also I wonder how many teenagers killed with firearms, were killed with weapons that were obtained legally? Something tells me the answer to those questions aren't going to be provided by the Brady fondation, because it would probably be pretty damaging to their cause, so I'll search around and see what I can find.

[No-one-inparticular]

At 3/16/06 05:39 PM, mackid wrote: Click this link and take the short quiz.

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Come to take away my guns , and I'll give you the bullets first.

[SEXY-FETUS]

I'm glad that was done tastefully without a hint of bias.

[No-one-inparticular]

At 3/16/06 08:59 PM, SEXY_FETUS wrote: I'm glad that was done tastefully without a hint of bias.

No you're not

[Mr-Snickers]

Getting rid of guns wont solve it, something else will come. England for example. Its harder to get a gun there, suprise suprise they happen to have knife stabbings.

[Demosthenez]

Of course!!!!! It all makes sense now. If only we didnt have guns, people wouldnt kill eachother and die!!!

Please.

[RedSkunk]

At 3/16/06 08:52 PM, Blackhawkdown wrote: I wonder how many of those teenagers were involved in gang activity when they were killed? Also I wonder how many teenagers killed with firearms, were killed with weapons that were obtained legally?

Neither of those questions changes anything. You're really grasping at straws here.

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 3/16/06 08:22 PM, mackid wrote:

At 3/16/06 06:25 PM, TheShrike wrote:

You say "meh" to the fact that firearms are the second leading killer of teenagers? You say "meh" to the fact that guns kept in the home are 22 times more likely to be used for purposes aside from killing a criminal (as stated above)?

Whats the first major killer of Teenagers. Lets ban that.

[WolvenBear]

At 3/16/06 08:22 PM, mackid wrote:

At 3/16/06 06:25 PM, TheShrike wrote: And all I can say is... meh.

You say "meh" to the fact that firearms are the second leading killer of teenagers? You say "meh" to the fact that guns kept in the home are 22 times more likely to be used for purposes aside from killing a criminal (as stated above)?

And how many of those kids are in gangs, or fall victims to gangs? And as for the 22 times more likely stat, in the survey, if the gun was brought in from outside the house, it was counted as a gun in the home. If there was an accidental shooting, it was counted. If it was fired at a criminal, and the criminal fired back, both guns were counted. The stats are bs. If they weren't, since we hear about gun violence all the time, we'd hear a lot more of that news. And we don't.

[TheBlueBullet]

At 3/16/06 09:02 PM, FAB0L0US wrote: Of course!!!!! It all makes sense now. If only we didnt have guns, people wouldnt kill eachother and die!!!

Please.

I have to agree with your sarcasm. Taking away guns won't solve anything. If we take away guns teens could go to using knives. Then you complain about how knives are the 2nd killing of teens today. So then we ban knives, then teens will start killing each other glass. Then youll rave about how glass is the 2nd killer of teends today, then we will ban glass and force companies to make plastic products. Then they will start killing each other with something else. Go ahead take away the guns but I promise you that I shall come after you with knives, a piece of glass, and some sort of plastic molotov MUHAHA!!

[SEXY-FETUS]

At 3/16/06 09:03 PM, red_skunk wrote:

At 3/16/06 08:52 PM, Blackhawkdown wrote: I wonder how many of those teenagers were involved in gang activity when they were killed? Also I wonder how many teenagers killed with firearms, were killed with weapons that were obtained legally?

Neither of those questions changes anything. You're really grasping at straws here.

Really it does change alot. If someones involved in gang activity and gets shot it's along the lines of going sky diving and your parachute not opening. Think anyone who already has an illegal gun would give two shits about having a gun if they were all illegal?

[N-and-E]

Every three hours a teenager or child dies from guns.
True: A total of 2,893 teens and children died of gun fire in 2002.

~SO your saying every 3 hours a kid dies from a gun?

Wierd I never new their were only 8679 hours in the year 2002...

[WolvenBear]

At 3/16/06 09:03 PM, red_skunk wrote:

At 3/16/06 08:52 PM, Blackhawkdown wrote: I wonder how many of those teenagers were involved in gang activity when they were killed? Also I wonder how many teenagers killed with firearms, were killed with weapons that were obtained legally?

Neither of those questions changes anything. You're really grasping at straws here.

Of course those change things. If you're doing illegal activity, it certainly isn't the gun's fault. It's yours. You contributed to your own death. And how do you reglate illegal guns.

It's kinda like the debate on Collumbine:
If we had more laws, this wouldn't have happened.
Well, hell, the ones we HAD didn't stop it. They broke those laws.

[GunCrave]

It's ironic how most liberals want to take away a person's right to bare arms.

[Politics]

Jesus fucking Christ, mackid.

"Guns iz bad"
That quiz is biased crap. If there is a god, you'll get shot because of this topic.

[N-and-E]

Yes, I agree guns do cause3 alot of problems but it's ahell lot better then fighting wars with fucking stones.

[Chumbawamba]

At 3/16/06 09:02 PM, Mr_Snickers wrote: Getting rid of guns wont solve it, something else will come. England for example. Its harder to get a gun there, suprise suprise they happen to have knife stabbings.

Knives can't kill someone from a distance as easily, though. Guns can be used up-close and from a distance.

Although I really don't like how pretty much anyone can own a gun in America, I doubt the second amendment will be edited/removed in the near future. Too many people support it.

[punisher19848]

At 3/16/06 08:22 PM, mackid wrote:

At 3/16/06 06:25 PM, TheShrike wrote: And all I can say is... meh.

You say "meh" to the fact that firearms are the second leading killer of teenagers? You say "meh" to the fact that guns kept in the home are 22 times more likely to be used for purposes aside from killing a criminal (as stated above)?

How many of those teen deaths were suicides? I'm pretty sure that the percentage is high...

Also, so what if a gun owner uses his weapon for other purposes? If you're stupid enough to fuck with a guy who has a gun, you earned yourself a trip to the grave.

[punisher19848]

At 3/16/06 08:31 PM, red_skunk wrote: "To see sources and more facts, go to www.bradycampaign.org/facts/factsheets/."

Right..

Notice how the majority of those sources are other anti-gun groups. I want to see some impartial data gathered by people with no competing interets in the issue before I give them any credibility.