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I apologise for saying you slating the NHS as I have just realised it was not you.

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At 5/13/08 03:19 AM, dELtaluca wrote:

At 5/12/08 02:24 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

The more i read your posts, the more i compare you to an evangelist :P Determined that you MUST be right and that you ALWAYS have perfect undeniable 'proof' not that i'm saying i always disagree with you, but you generally put that accross to me :P

I don't take positions unless I can prove them, or unless I state I can't prove them. With regards to the arguments I've been in about the Uk vs. US issue, I am always right. I wouldn't take a position unless I knew I was right and could prove it, and I have proved my arguments every single time.

I didn't say "the US is better than the UK as a whole beacuse of this". What I did do is show that the specific reasons people gave for why the UK is better are incorrect, and proved that they were wrong and that when the facts are shown, the US was superior in a certain aspect. That's why it's so hilarious for Tawc to say what he did beacuse he knows the exact opposite of what he says is true. He is completely full of complete nonsense, the stances he takes to suggest the UK is better in some aspect are literally ALWAYS WRONG, not a matter of opinion, but a matter of historical accuracy or reality.

At 5/13/08 08:00 PM, fishrhaus wrote: cellardoor6

How can you state that about an entire country of people.

Not all British people are that way.

But there is a large, very widespread societal outlook among British people that they are raised with. They have a very backward, distorted way of looking at things, especially how they look at the US. They latch on to myths and complete lies in order to feel better about their country or to belittle the US, and tawc as an individual embodies that behavior perfectly.

He has a very long history of regurgitating wacky British myths about Americans, only to have what he said disproved, line by line, completely and thoroughly voided of any credibility.

You say "My pride is well founded, your pride is a shallow", I ask you, what is this "well founded pride" based on and who the hell are you, to tell any one, that their pride is shallow.

When I take a position in defense of the US, as part of my pride, I will not lie. I will not willingly embellish the details, nor will I mindlessly parrot myths. This is what tawc does, and this is what A LOT of British people do.

Therefore their pride is shallow when it is based on lies, and when they willingly take stances they know are inaccurate and false just for the purpose of defending their country. That shows you that they are content with deception for the purpose of building up their country or ripping down the US, this shows you their pride is shallow.

To take one example of the stupidity you spout.
You slate England's health care system, while you live in a country where the poor can not get medical attention.

And this is a perfect example of a British myth. You are lead to believe that Americans that can't insurance are ignored or refused medical treatment completely. When in fact, Americans of all income levels and social statuses have access to healthcare that is better than the ridiculous universal system the UK has, and other countries have.

A good example is the treatment of cancer. Cancer is just about the biggest risk to public health in both the UK and the US, a pretty big deal, and the US is more successful at treating it than the British are (and Europeans/Canadians as well), with higher survivability rates, and access to treatment that is better regardless of whether or not Americans are covered.

Let's take a peak at the facts:

According to the survey of cancer survival rates in Europe and the United States, published recently in Lancet Oncology:

- American women have a 63 percent chance of living at least five years after a cancer diagnosis, compared to 56 percent for European women.

- American men have a five-year survival rate of 66 percent - compared to only 47 percent for European men.

- Among European countries, only Sweden has an overall survival rate for men of more than 60 percent.

- For women, only three European countries (Sweden, Belgium and Switzerland) have an overall survival rate of more than 60 percent.

These figures reflect the care available to all Americans, not just those with private health coverage. Great Britain, known for its 50-year-old government-run, universal health care system, fares worse than the European average: British men have a five-year survival rate of only 45 percent; women, only 53 percent.

It is often claimed that people have better access to preventive screenings in universal health care systems. But despite the large number of uninsured, cancer patients in the United States are most likely to be screened regularly, and once diagnosed, have the fastest access to treatment. For example, a Commonwealth Fund report showed that women in the United States were more likely to get a PAP test for cervical cancer every two years than women in Australia, Canada, New Zealand and Great Britain, where health insurance is guaranteed by the government.

- In the United States, 85 percent of women aged 25 to 64 years have regular PAP smears, compared with 58 percent in Great Britain.

- The same is true for mammograms; in the United States, 84 percent of women aged 50 to 64 years get them regularly - a higher percentage than in Australia, Canada or New Zealand, and far higher than the 63 percent of British women.

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Let's look survival rates from all cancers.

United States

Female: 62.9%
Male: 66.3%

United Kingdom

England

Female: 52.7%
Male: 44.8%

Scotland

Female: 48%
Male: 40.2%

Wales

Female: 54.1%
Male: 47.9%

North Ireland

Female: 51%
Male: 42%

I agree that the hospitals in America will be richer compared to NHS ones in England, that is obvious. I can say whole heartedly say that I am glad I live in a place where every one gets treated for free

Taxes are free? Interesting.

regardless of their finances, even if the treatment may not be as good as private health care.

In universal healthcare systems, the government takes money away from its citizens, and chooses what healthcare they get. You're not getting anything or free, you're having your money taken from you, and you're getting a one-size-fits-all, crappy healthcare policy that you have basically zero control over.

Your government controls your healthcare, you do not. That's the difference between the US system and your system. I get to choose, you don't. My healthcare is between me and my healthcare provider, I make the decisions. And in the process I have access to healthcare that is of better quality, and this would be true even if I didn't have insurance.

America is a brilliant place, with a variation of people, like any country.
I think you, from what I have witnessed, are an absolute idiot. You spread meaningless words in a childish vain attempt to make others feel bad and promote your ego.

And you're a dumb alt that is too afraid to face me with your regular account.

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I think it's because of all the stereotypes such as we all have ugly teeth, really posh accents and live in mansions. Well we don't, I don't like England really but it beats all other English Speaking countries. I'm sure the USA would be nice to go for a holiday such as to hawaii, vegas or nyc but I wouldn't like to live there.

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I dont know why people hate you, I love england, and the rest of europe.

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becasue amrica was formed by just rebels form england so ya amrica hates england beacause
there for fathers hated england......what was there on country.

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At 6/4/08 12:46 AM, gunner-564 wrote: becasue amrica was formed by just rebels form england so ya amrica hates england beacause
there for fathers hated england......what was there on country.

go back to generals and stay there for awhile, please.

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I dont think americans hate the british , but of course theres going to be some riveraly.

Taxes are free? Interesting.

honestly cellardoor i hate when ou use this arguement , 95 percent of the people who say "my health care is free" KNOW THAT ITS PAID FOR BY TAXES. it would be like you saying "my children can go to school for free" then someone coming along and saying "LIEK ZOMG YOU PAY FOR IT WITH TEH TAEXES".

anyways on the healthcare issue, my proposition - combination of socialized and privitized healthcare. People can get access to better facillities and if they dont have the cash then they can go to government healthcare services.

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At 5/12/08 12:19 PM, ThePretenders wrote:

At 5/11/08 09:16 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: And that's partially the reason why British people are so obsessed off their ass with the US, specifically any negative they can find about the US. British people are raised to hate Americans, because it helps them feel better, and create a sense of pride that couldn't exist if they were actually objective and honest about their perception of the US and Americans.

It's because the British have never reconciled the fact that British Empire is no more. The British Empire ruled 1/5 of the world's area, and was a hyperpower in the 1800s. To grieve for the loss of their empire, they blame the current superpower, the U.S.A., when it intervenes in other countries affairs, whilst forgetting that they had an empire not so long ago.

wow cause ure not sterotyping people and not essentaily calling all British people babys who need to get over it and we blame USA my ass people just cling onto the American sterotype plain and simple

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I Just want to Tell the people in the U.K. I love them and The people of the U.S. and the U.K. are brothers.

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At 3/10/06 07:21 PM, Fuckle wrote: Im from England and alot of people on NG hate us,why?

England has been probibly the strongest ally of America. Im an American and i dont quite understand this either. i guess its just a steriotype, like the assumsion that all Latinos are illegal immigrants or like the assumsion that all Muslims are evil. i think anyone who believes those lies should be stabbed in the eye

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heh. i agree with your signature, common sense isn't so common anymore. common sense is now almost unheard of. lol

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At 6/5/08 02:18 AM, mindlessdestruction2 wrote: heh. i agree with your signature, common sense isn't so common anymore. common sense is now almost unheard of. lol

why the hell are we even discussing this no one hates anyone stertypes are bullshit and we should have a final soultion for those without the not so common sense....

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At 6/10/08 11:48 AM, Grammer wrote: I love my British counterparts. Their voices are amusing and cheerful. Reminds me of 18th century America.

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At 6/10/08 11:08 AM, ILovezoms wrote: why the hell are we even discussing this no one hates anyone stertypes are bullshit and we should have a final soultion for those without the not so common sense....

i was just agreeing with his signature, moron

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I love the British! They made the show Balls of Steel! I once went an entire school day speaking in a British accent! (I wish I was making this up)

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At 5/9/08 07:42 PM, Knowing wrote: Because every single country hates every other country?

yes

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At 6/10/08 11:48 AM, Grammer wrote: I love my British counterparts. Their voices are amusing and cheerful. Reminds me of 18th century America.

hilarious.

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America and England have had the most trustworthy alliance with eachother ever since World War 1.If you asked every American in the world if they hated England, 99.99% of them will probably say no.

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At 6/11/08 08:36 PM, mindlessdestruction2 wrote:

At 6/10/08 11:08 AM, ILovezoms wrote: why the hell are we even discussing this no one hates anyone stertypes are bullshit and we should have a final soultion for those without the not so common sense....

i was just agreeing with his signature, moron

err sorry i clicked on quote and reply and forgot to delete what you said and your name i was just saying that who the fucks cares

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I do not think they hate UK people, after all (holywood) tends to use many UK actors

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to be honest we should just stop posting in this thread
its a childish argument of "my dad is better than your dad"

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At 6/12/08 12:09 PM, ILovezoms wrote: err sorry i clicked on quote and reply and forgot to delete what you said and your name i was just saying that who the fucks cares

whatever

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At 3/10/06 09:40 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 3/10/06 09:38 PM, cuddlessap wrote: The bad teeth thing is just a stupid stereotype that isnt true. And I'm Canadian and I dont hate ppl from England.

Actually it was quite true.

It was common in Victorian England to put bleach on your teeth to make them more white.

And since this rots your teeth out of your mouth.

I only wonder how this got gentically passed on.

Yeah, because putting bleach on your teeth genetically modifys DNA do your kids have bad teeth because you put bleach on yours.
Idiot.

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Saying that a lot of people on NG hate England, and calling them Americans doesn't really work. I mean, there's a lot of different people on NG - hell some could be Brits themselves. Plenty of Americans hate America (but they love it too much to get the fuck out).

They could be French. I mean, we all know how much the French hate everyone that's not French.

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Stupid thread.

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America hates Australia and canada; the English thing is usually a joke.

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This thread is proof that patriotism is retarded.

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i hate the britush the candians and asins you british are little candy asses candiands need to grow up and asin freak me ooutmy feelings
i donnt hate im note rasist you guys just asked

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Hell, I know SCOTSMEN who still bear a grudge against the English just because of wars that happened 700-800 years ago. (Walk though Glasgow wearing an England flag, and I guarantee you'll regret it.) If there's some Scotsmen who bear a grudge after so long, I'm sure there's some Americans who do the same.

But by-and-large, I've never met an American I didn't like in a face-to-face conversation. Generally, they're quite amicable people, in my experience.

In saying that, I have serious worries and problems with their political system. But that's not my problem, really, is it? :P

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At 9/30/08 11:11 PM, edog2 wrote: i hate the britush the candians and asins you british are little candy asses candiands need to grow up and asin freak me ooutmy feelings
i donnt hate im note rasist you guys just asked

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You HATE the "britush"....
You donnt hate....

Hmm. *barely contained laughter*