Saudi Arabia?

[MarijuanaClock]

Friend or Foe?

[Evanauto]

outside of britain, germany, russia, and italy we have no idea who is friend and who is foe.

[Speechless]

To be honest i think everyone is Americas foe , outside some countries. I think even russia and some others are a bit pissed off.

[Zio-Shirai]

all the arab countries r us's foe, and i think that the us has no allies, only foes, maybe britain but even that isnt for sure, british ppl arent so happy with the us as tony blair is

[Bizud]

The US doesn't have any "enemies." There are a few governments who are anti-american (Iraq, North Korea, and that's it), but all "anti-american" means is that they refuse to bow down.

Saudi Arabia and Egypt are arab nations, and both have signed peace treaties with the US. That's a "friend," in case you didn't know.

Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Iceland, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Greece, Turkey, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Denmark. All of those nations are NATO members, and as such, are full military allies of the US. If ever a nation should attack the US (though it hasn't happened in over 60 years, and I don't see it happening again for a long time), these nations (well, maybe not the French, they'll find some excuse to run away :P) will honour the treaty and assist.

Just because a nation criticizes your actions doesn't mean they are "against you." And let's be honest, the entire world has been criticizing the American government's policies for the past 50 years, and the US hasn't budged at all. Does this mean nothing to anyone?

The citizens of Iraq, Nicaragua, Panama, Iran, Palestine, Afghanistan, North Korea, Sudan, Libya, East Timor, Cambodia, and several others all have VERY good reasons to hate the US. You'd hate them if they'd done half the things to you that the US has done to them.

Saying Israel is an ally of the US is somewhat obvious. It's like saying East Germany was an ally of Russia during the cold war.

Oh, yes, and since Saudi Arabia gives the US all they want (oil), and the government was in fact installed by the US, Saudi Arabia is most definetely a "friend."

[patton55]

If we were not protecting the Oil fields in Saudi Arabia then the only "friend" the US would have in the Middle East is Israel.

[makedecisionMOVEON]

to me in World Politics, every country to another country, their relationship is neutral. it is until a country start an initative to help the other when they are facing the crisis but don't expect something to return back to them. it's like unconditional love from Jesus.

it's only then, the country will get a true, lasting and geniniue relationship from the country whom it helps.

[Speechless]

tony Blairs a suck up
And Sharon is one too
So are the other countries you are suck ups too
Im sorry dear americans but there are no friends for you.

And peace treaty means theyre afraid and want peace not friendly.

[TheShrike]

At 1/16/03 12:53 AM, MarijuanaClock wrote: Friend or Foe?

Saudi Arabia is definately not a friend, and our goverment knows this, but they accept that because the Saudis do such a good job of playing both sides.

I despise them. The Royal Government there is much more corrupt than anything we have in place. On one hand, they teach things like "The Western Devil" in schools, on the other, they cozy up to us whenever Saddam gets shifty. They impose strict religious law, and downplay civil rights, on the other they sell us our precious oil [ugh]. They promote extremist policies and organizations while they tell us they despise such things.

Not that the US is so great when it comes to the disparity between rich and poor, but the Saudi Royalty live the high life in Europe and the states while their people live in the desert sometime circa 1400.

[JudgeDredd]

At Jan/16/03 12:59 AM, Evanauto wrote:

..outside of britain, germany, russia, and italy we have no idea who is friend and who is foe.

hahaa.. it's amazing how fast things change in a few short months!

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Re: Compound Bomings;

Will the Saudi Royal family execute a few dissidents and say everything is under control again?

[D2Kvirus]

At 1/16/03 12:53 AM, MarijuanaClock wrote: Friend or Foe?

Well since Diplomats are fleeing Riyadh following a suicide bombing, leaving 26 dead, it seems to be leaning towards "foe" at this minute, but might be different in a couple of hours - especially considering the DeFacto Saudi Premier is being all apologetic, especially since the US are criticising their security for being able to prevent suicide bombers. The fact that suicide bombers are a regular occurance in Riyadh, and it's pretty darned difficult to prevent suicide bombers is, naturally, lost. Oh, of course, the US would've done much better if they were in charge, right? Start with your own country, then criticise others, deal?

[D2Kvirus]

And to think, nobody's mentioned their oil yet...

[karasz]

saudi arabian govt= likes the US dollar... cuz they get a lot of it...

saudi arabian people= not such a fan of the US...

also the saudi govt has made a deal with al qaeda that qaeda can train there, so long as they dont fuck with the government... then this bombing happens...

perhaps al qaeda is picking something big in saudi arabia...

although the US would be defending the prince of saudi arabia... so, 6 months US vs al-qaeda in saudi arabia...

[Jimsween]

At 5/14/03 08:29 AM, Judge_VOLT wrote:

At Jan/16/03 12:59 AM, Evanauto wrote:

..outside of britain, germany, russia, and italy we have no idea who is friend and who is foe.

hahaa.. it's amazing how fast things change in a few short months!

Just because they dissagree with us once doesnt mean they are foes, If that were the case than no nation would ahve any allies.

[JudgeDredd]

At 5/14/03 05:23 PM, jimsween wrote: refering to UN opposition: germany, russia, ...

Just because they dissagree with us once doesnt mean they are foes

oh, i'm forgetting the 40+ years that America helped keep Germany divided against (their new friends in the political arena) the Russians who were arch rivals of the entire Cold War of equal duration.

Americas allies are countries that America has weakened into submission and no longer pose a credible counter balance to it's own brand of supremacy.

quote: "a bit of political hand shaking and a few beef burger outlets don't a friendly nation make"

[Jimsween]

At 5/14/03 07:30 PM, Judge_VOLT wrote:

At 5/14/03 05:23 PM, jimsween wrote: refering to UN opposition: germany, russia, ...

Just because they dissagree with us once doesnt mean they are foes

oh, i'm forgetting the 40+ years that America helped keep Germany divided against (their new friends in the political arena) the Russians who were arch rivals of the entire Cold War of equal duration.

Yeah cause that cold war is all our fault, that sure makes alot of sense.

Americas allies are countries that America has weakened into submission and no longer pose a credible counter balance to it's own brand of supremacy.

You could make that assumption about any country that is stronger than another, your "theory" (which is what it is) wouldn't work with Canada or I suppose thats all from fear too right?

quote: "a bit of political hand shaking and a few beef burger outlets don't a friendly nation make"

"A witty quote proves nothing."
-Voltaire

[JudgeDredd]

At 5/14/03 08:52 PM, jimsween wrote: Judge_DREDD clarified with:

40+ years that America helped keep Germany divided against the Russians

Yeah cause that cold war is all our fault, that sure makes alot of sense.

*helped keep* (see! i didn't need to say which side played the greater part ;) ..it was long and nasty and not so lightly forgotten as to make Russia or Germany America's instant next war buddy as you previously suggested.

Americas allies are countries that America has weakened into submission and no longer pose a credible counter balance to it's own brand of supremacy.

You could make that assumption about any country that is stronger than another, your "theory" (which is what it is) wouldn't work with Canada or I suppose thats all from fear too right?

The whole Canada thing is anti-French. The only thing that Russia, China, India, Japan, France and Germany and a host of other nations have in common is that English isn't thier native language!

The Cold War one'up'manship is historical fact (not some theory)

"a bit of political hand shaking.."

if you read my words (instead of continuing your own one'up'manship) and saw how leaders are shaking hands merely to secure their own re-election, while the REAL heart of international relations is a fierce trade war (including oil and steel and food production) then you'd know why America didn't get the support it hoped for at the UN.

quote: "You don't get something, without giving something in return"

..yes, another witty segway back onto topic - the Saudi situation where "appeasing both sides of the War on Terror" is NOT IN THE LEAST a viable political stance.

[Jimsween]

At 5/15/03 01:58 AM, Judge_VOLT wrote:

At 5/14/03 08:52 PM, jimsween wrote: Judge_DREDD clarified with:

40+ years that America helped keep Germany divided against the Russians

Yeah cause that cold war is all our fault, that sure makes alot of sense.

*helped keep* (see! i didn't need to say which side played the greater part ;) ..it was long and nasty and not so lightly forgotten as to make Russia or Germany America's instant next war buddy as you previously suggested.

Where did I suggest that?

Americas allies are countries that America has weakened into submission and no longer pose a credible counter balance to it's own brand of supremacy.

You could make that assumption about any country that is stronger than another, your "theory" (which is what it is) wouldn't work with Canada or I suppose thats all from fear too right?

The whole Canada thing is anti-French. The only thing that Russia, China, India, Japan, France and Germany and a host of other nations have in common is that English isn't thier native language!

What are you talking about? I said quote-"You could make that assumption about any country that is stronger than another" where do you get nations having stuff in common out of that.

The Cold War one'up'manship is historical fact (not some theory)

Your going off topic here, where did I say it wasnt and what does that have to do with anything? Your "Theory" is that countries are only allies out of fear.

"a bit of political hand shaking.."

if you read my words (instead of continuing your own one'up'manship) and saw how leaders are shaking hands merely to secure their own re-election, while the REAL heart of international relations is a fierce trade war (including oil and steel and food production) then you'd know why America didn't get the support it hoped for at the UN.

This really has nothing to do with war power then, it's all about trade. And It might interest you to know that russia's nuclear arsenal is more than double USA's so your "theory" doesnt work.

[JudgeDredd]

it's funny (sad) how in a few short posts.. oh, never mind!!!

[mrpopenfresh]

At 1/17/03 01:08 AM, TheShrike wrote:

At 1/16/03 12:53 AM, MarijuanaClock wrote: Friend or Foe?

On one hand, they teach things like "The Western Devil" in schools,

Have you seen any war movies lately? Movies like "Black Hawk Down" amongst others show that the only "good" people are americans.

on the other, they cozy up to us whenever Saddam gets shifty.

And you cozy up to them whenever you need oil.