Humans are probably made of binary.

[Buddhist]

So I was reading an article about how viruses may have been what eventually helped us evolve into humans, but that got me to thinking.

We know that there is a definite scale of life, going universe, galaxy, solar system, Earth, continent, country, state/province, city, population, individual, and so on and so forth until you get inside the DNA, the basis of life.

But there has to be something that runs the DNA, right?

And so I thought of it this way: If we are able to program and work on life and be able to learn more, and build robots who each day inch closer and closer to mimicking human life, and their core is programmed via binary code, then what seperates us from them?

Obviously something's gotta run and program us, and below the DNA has to be something else, correct? So where would a fault be in the idea that binary is what programs us?

What do you think?

[EggfordTheEgg]

Holy shit, my brain just exploded.

[Acheria]

if i was smart enough to understand anything u just said... id give my 2 cents

[Orlyyarly]

is this the internet?

[Rideo]

At 3/1/06 10:15 PM, -Tydus- wrote: Holy shit, my brain just exploded.

Why? That' wasn't too complicated...

[asdfrasdfg]

It's not plausable with modern science. Everything is made up of atoms, and certain series of molecules make up certain elements, which in turn can result in different materials. A good example would be DNA.

It's just simle combinations that make up our DNA.

By chance, have you taken chemistry?

[CleverNickname]

Yeah, but Binary doesn't get cold sores.

[EggfordTheEgg]

At 3/1/06 10:16 PM, Orlyyarly wrote: is this the internet?

No. This is the Matrix.

That's really freaky though how you thought of that.

[FIGMENTUM]

Yeah man totally and our brains are harddrives and I have a 60GB harddrive sorry I am not very smart.

Yeah!

[Buddhist]

At 3/1/06 10:15 PM, -Tydus- wrote: Holy shit, my brain just exploded.

Hahaha.

Well think about it. We are not seperated by very much from machine. This is where the idea comes from that eventually man will develop a machine that is more efficient than man, and thus can make us humans obsolete.

The one main thing outside of genes and reproduction that seperates us from machines and us from the most basic organisms of life is DNA. DNA isn't just something that's spontaneous and random, so you have to think it's being run or programmed by something, and the most realistic thinking is that binary would run it.

[UberBarista]

At 3/1/06 10:17 PM, FIGMENTUM wrote: Yeah man totally and our brains are harddrives and I have a 60GB harddrive sorry I am not very smart.

Yeah!

*sends virus*

[Buddhist]

At 3/1/06 10:16 PM, Sir_Snark wrote: It's not plausable with modern science. Everything is made up of atoms, and certain series of molecules make up certain elements, which in turn can result in different materials. A good example would be DNA.

Bleh, right. But then again modern science isn't all that correct, you know? I mean we always thought of viruses as the basic organisms, and now it may be that they're what eventually caused us, so you know. It's just an idea anyway. :P

It's just simle combinations that make up our DNA.

Yes, I know that, the Punnet squares and all, but it just doesn't seem that it would be plausible to believe that almost everything we do is based on something else, but the core of what we do is totally random. I would think something has to be able to cause this.

By chance, have you taken chemistry?

AP Biology student currently.

[BurstStudio]

According to string theory, that's sorta right. In short, string theory is a relatively new field of scientific research stating that all matter is made of incredibly small (10^-35 m) one-dimensional objects (strings) as opposed to particles as in the conventional view of subatomic physics. The way these strings vibrate or the way they vibrate in unison determines what the strings comprise. There are two "types" of strings, open and closed. They could stand for 1 and 0, essentially making the entire universe and everything in it coded in binary, albeit in a way with matter wrapped around in different dimensions and whatnot.

In short, you can kinda say it, but it's one HELL of a stretch.

[wwwyzzerdd]

I SHALL TRY TO BE THE FIRST PERSON IN THIS THREAD TO MAKE REFERENCE TO THE MATRIX BECAUSE IT WAS A MOVIE AND THEREFORE IT WAS REAL.

Actually, if my biology knowledge doesn't fail me (which it most likely does), DNA is moreless ran from all the nutrients in our cells, only to reproduce rapidly. Although we just finished mapping out the human DNA strand a few years ago, I don't theink there's so much knowledge about how DNA works. Until you reach a high-end psychology class that discusses the deeper meanings into existance (or do some really good drugs), you'll just look at DNA as small strands of carbon.

[Evark]

Computer binary is based off electrical signals. As a result, it only makes sense for them to be based off of a binary yes/no system. DNA, however, is based off A, G, T, and C; which are distinct enough as molecules that they can only bind certain ways with other ones. So when you're looking at a strand of RNA, it's very similar at the basic level to the binary system.

Also, our entire nervous system sends information in a much more complex version of the binary system. Based on yes/no electrical signals that nerve cells fire in volleys (to simulate varying intensities of signal) our entire body communicates with our brain the same way (in medium rather than language) that networks communicate.

When you look at it at the most basic levels, the two systems are very similar. They just have some basic differences that make them incompatible with each other. But they're not insurmountable. They've got technology now where they can attach things to people and hook them to the nervous system and people can move them around in basic ways. Pretty crazy stuff.

[W31RD0]

No matter how much you improve a robot to be able to mimic free-will, it will never have that "true" A.I.

Niether does humanty have free-will, like it or not all of our actions are limited and could eventually be predicted through mathimatics.

[Jenou]

thats inconceiveable. molecules cannot possibly be run by a series of numbers.

[PERVOK]

If this is true, I guess its time to update my firewall.

starts building brick wall around self

[asdfrasdfg]

At 3/1/06 10:24 PM, Evark wrote: They've got technology now where they can attach things to people and hook them to the nervous system and people can move them around in basic ways. Pretty crazy stuff.

I was watching a show on discovery one time about a man that actually volunteers for tons of those kinds of tests. He's actually had things like his arm chopped off so he could test out a new fake arm that someone made. Some of the things they showed were pretty nifty, too.

I actually saw something not too long ago dealing with giving people back eyesight. It was a pair of sunglasses with a small camera on the front, which in turn went to a small computer thing, and from there to a plug in the back of your head. It sounded like some very advanced stuff they were talking about, but essentially it was the same thing as a computer reading data for interpreting a jpeg image. Using a matrix and all that...of course, it was pretty basic. The resolution was something equivalent to 256X256, and it could only do black and white. He was able to move a car around a parking lot, though, which was pretty damn cool.

[Triple-Merc]

That could create a new joke.. "You are the spyware on the brain of life"

[JimGod]

Yay you made the topic!

We are made of atoms. We could in theory be programmed in binary for a computer or someting but we arent made of it. Its like if you wrote a description of something. You could draw a picture of what you described from the description but what you described isnt made up of your words.

[Buddhist]

At 3/1/06 10:24 PM, Evark wrote: They've got technology now where they can attach things to people and hook them to the nervous system and people can move them around in basic ways. Pretty crazy stuff.

Yeah I used to do it up until a couple months ago, they'd hook me up to try and lower my natural add/depression.

Didn't work, kind of a waste, though it is really new.

[asdfrasdfg]

At 3/1/06 10:46 PM, -Buddhist- wrote:

Yeah I used to do it up until a couple months ago, they'd hook me up to try and lower my natural add/depression.

Didn't work, kind of a waste, though it is really new.

So they were basically trying to reprogram you? That's pretty different...

[toxicbomb]

At 3/1/06 10:18 PM, -Buddhist- wrote:

At 3/1/06 10:15 PM, -Tydus- wrote: Holy shit, my brain just exploded.

Hahaha.

Well think about it. We are not seperated by very much from machine. This is where the idea comes from that eventually man will develop a machine that is more efficient than man, and thus can make us humans obsolete.

I dont think that would happen. We would just make ourselves godly.

[JParadox]

Ok buddy well lets think about it this way:

You're14 years old and your grasp on science and life probably hasn't yet underminded that of experts in the field who end up writing the bio and chem books. I would even suggest that you don't have a clear concept on molecular and biochemical compositions and that this thread is either A) a joke. Or B) You actually think organisms run on computer programming code.

[lolomfgisuck]

You would have to look at this as if we really where made of binary. And then realize that there has to be a larger computer that we all exist inside of (Considering binary isn't really a physical thing).

For your theory to be correct, you would have to prove that we don't actually, physically exist. Instead, we're all just objects in a virtual word in a computer program created by somebody else.

I think we all agree that this isn't the case. The Matrix was an OK movie, but in no way, shape, or form should you consider this a reality.

As far as robots becomming man... well, there is two diffrent ways to see this as well.

Number one, we create them out of steel and rubber, nuts and bolts, etc... then install software in them that is Artifically Intelligent that allows the inanimate objects to do tasks. This is a machine, not a living organism. No matter how smart it may appear to be, it's still not physically alive. Also, the program is the onlything that is made up of binary (That is, the AI program). The majority of the robot (It's arms, legs, head, torso, etc..) is all still steel and rubber. Thus even this machine isn't made of binary code.

[toxicbomb]

At 3/1/06 10:55 PM, lolomfgisuck wrote:

Number one, we create them out of steel and rubber, nuts and bolts, etc... then install software in them that is Artifically Intelligent that allows the inanimate objects to do tasks. This is a machine, not a living organism. No matter how smart it may appear to be, it's still not physically alive. Also, the program is the onlything that is made up of binary (That is, the AI program). The majority of the robot (It's arms, legs, head, torso, etc..) is all still steel and rubber. Thus even this machine isn't made of binary code.

Actually, it would be possible to create a "thing" with body parts, organs n junk with nano-tech. without using nuts n bolts. But the thing is, you need a soul! If it doesnt have a soul, it will never be human, just a "thing" that follows commands. Well, thats what I believe.

[Leeloo-Minai]

At 3/1/06 10:16 PM, Sir_Snark wrote: It's not plausable with modern science. Everything is made up of atoms,

And what are atoms made of? Protons, neutrons and electrons.

What are protons, neutrons and electrons made of?

By chance, have you taken chemistry?

Take astronomy sometime. It'll bug you out.

[Cool-Points]

you make a good point, but sorry. This binary/DNA system is just the easiest way for life to run things..

[Mighty-Frog]

this is just further proof that there is no god

thats one more for the atheists