Death Penalty Racist?

[MoralLibertarian]

Maybe, but then so is abortion:

Black women are three times as likely to have abortions as their white counterparts. Blacks and Hispanics are about 25 percent of the population, yet they account for 57 percent of all abortions.

Keep reading. Wait till you find out that Sanger was a eugenicist.

[Leeloo-Minai]

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

What's the issue?

[fahrenheit]

I have a good idea this is not meant to be taken seriously, but I just have one thing to say.

If a statistic showed there was more white doctors than black doctors does that mean white people are more effecient when it comes to health?

[MoralLibertarian]

At 2/27/06 09:41 PM, Velocitom wrote: If a statistic showed there was more white doctors than black doctors does that mean white people are more effecient when it comes to health?

If more black men are executed by the state than white men, does that mean the death penalty is racist?

[Politics]

At 2/27/06 09:22 PM, MoralLibertarian wrote: Maybe, but then so is abortion:

Black women are three times as likely to have abortions as their white counterparts. Blacks and Hispanics are about 25 percent of the population, yet they account for 57 percent of all abortions.

Keep reading. Wait till you find out that Sanger was a eugenicist.

"the Democratic Party, an unabashed supporter of Planned Parenthood."

Haha, The Democrat Party against abortion. That's funny.

I detect a hint of sarcasm in this article. Too bad this is the internet, and sarcasm doesn't work here.

Also, I have very little faith in statistics. They're unprovable, unless you're willing to take someone through thousands if not millions of documents proving that stastic, and that's not going to happen. I'd rather base my humble opinion on some more solid evidence.

[Montgomery-Scott]

At 2/27/06 09:57 PM, MoralLibertarian wrote:

At 2/27/06 09:41 PM, Velocitom wrote: If a statistic showed there was more white doctors than black doctors does that mean white people are more effecient when it comes to health?

If more black men are executed by the state than white men, does that mean the death penalty is racist?

No, it means that more black men, although it may be caused by socioeconomic factors caused by racism in the past or present, commit capital offences that white men do.

[fahrenheit]

At 2/27/06 09:57 PM, MoralLibertarian wrote: If more black men are executed by the state than white men, does that mean the death penalty is racist?

The same way my theory proves that white men are much more educated than black men in terms of health.

[RedSkunk]

At 2/27/06 09:57 PM, MoralLibertarian wrote: If more black men are executed by the state than white men, does that mean the death penalty is racist?

We have two fundamentally different things here, rooster, and you comparing the two shows a lack of understanding.

Blacks commit more crimes per capita than whites – this is obviously because of socioeconomic factors.

Similar to abortion.

HOWEVER, there is a certain amount of bias in the justice system. Even taking into consideration the per capita crime rates of blacks and whites, one finds that blacks are treated more harshly in the justice system. They get less slack when they are young, because black juveniles are seen as less reformable. They continue along this line, getting convicted more often, and continue along, getting harsher sentences because of more convictions. They get sentenced to death more often. Etcetera.

There is no real comparison between the death penalty and abortion. Maybe you could compare crime rates and abortion. But not the death penalty. The death penalty is a result of a justice system that convicts blacks and hispanics at higher rates than whites – even taking into per capita rates / etc. Abortion is strictly socioeconomic, no?

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

The argument that the Death Penalty is racist is not that more Blacks are executed than Whites, but that for similar crimes, Blacks are executed far more often. I don't know that this is a strong argument against the death penalty on it's own, but it does bring up some issues regarding justice when dealing with minorities, especially when there is systemic bias against them.

At 2/27/06 09:22 PM, MoralLibertarian wrote: Maybe, but then so is abortion:

Black women are three times as likely to have abortions as their white counterparts. Blacks and Hispanics are about 25 percent of the population, yet they account for 57 percent of all abortions.

Keep reading. Wait till you find out that Sanger was a eugenicist.

Pipe down , MoralLibertarian ... how unbiased and reliable is that info since it's coming from some freelance rogue writer? Humm, not very much I'm afraid ... The efforts to educate the masses should be praised not disgraced ... Heck , poor people should be educated not to have alot of children because it puts more financial strain on them and on the welfare system ... As a matter of fact, people should only have children if they can support them .

[MoralLibertarian]

At 2/28/06 08:17 AM, ThefollowerofTricky wrote: Pipe down , MoralLibertarian ... how unbiased and reliable is that info since it's coming from some freelance rogue writer?

It's all 100% true. Read Margaret Sanger's books. She's a total nutcase crazy psycho bitch woman. That's not to say that that is what Planned Parenthood is today.

Humm, not very much I'm afraid ... The efforts to educate the masses should be praised not disgraced ... Heck , poor people should be educated not to have alot of children because it puts more financial strain on them and on the welfare system

What do you mean by masses? Black people? Hispanics? Are you sure you don't mean, "Poor people should be educated not to have children because they are of an inferior race?" Yeah, I think I understand you.

At 2/28/06 12:44 AM, redskvnk wrote:

At 2/27/06 09:57 PM, MoralLibertarian wrote: If more black men are executed by the state than white men, does that mean the death penalty is racist?

We have two fundamentally different things here, rooster, and you comparing the two shows a lack of understanding.

Blacks commit more crimes per capita than whites – this is obviously because of socioeconomic factors.

Similar to abortion.

HOWEVER, there is a certain amount of bias in the justice system. Even taking into consideration the per capita crime rates of blacks and whites, one finds that blacks are treated more harshly in the justice system. They get less slack when they are young, because black juveniles are seen as less reformable. They continue along this line, getting convicted more often, and continue along, getting harsher sentences because of more convictions. They get sentenced to death more often. Etcetera.

I was wondering if you had a specific source in mind when writing this, or if you just want me to google your argument...

There is no real comparison between the death penalty and abortion.

Yesterday one of my buddies told me that the death penalty was racist because it killed more blacks than whites. I've heard this argument before from many a person, particularly black men, so I guess they are showing a "lack of understanding" as well.

I don't doubt that our justice system, or any justice system, isn't completely unbiased. Still, saying that we should abolish the death penalty because it's harder on blacks is like saying that we should abolish the justice system because it's harder on blacks. Judicial reform or a better education system might be in order.

[Meegeer]

You crazy American's and your death penalties... although I don't really agree with our system up here in your cold neighbour, 25 years is life? ha.

Anyway, the death sentence is not racist, how can it be, it is only a system. It just depends on the crime commited does it not? Maybe the judicial system is flawed and it convicts more black people than white therefore making the death penalty seem like it is racist, meanwhile it is the jury and judges who are the racists, quite possibly lawyers as well.

[RedSkunk]

At 2/28/06 11:08 AM, MoralLibertarian wrote: I was wondering if you had a specific source in mind when writing this, or if you just want me to google your argument...

I was using information I got from a related class I had a year or two ago, I can't remember the titles of the books at the moment, however. Try an amnesty page for starters. *shrug*

Yesterday one of my buddies told me that the death penalty was racist because it killed more blacks than whites. I've heard this argument before from many a person, particularly black men, so I guess they are showing a "lack of understanding" as well.

Yes, they are. That's oversimplifying it. Blacks commit crimes per capita more than whites, so logically they would get the death penalty at a higher rate. The problem is even taking this into account, blacks are sentenced harsher than whites in our justice system. And this leads to more death sentences. Even weighting for differences in crime rates.

I don't doubt that our justice system, or any justice system, isn't completely unbiased. Still, saying that we should abolish the death penalty because it's harder on blacks is like saying that we should abolish the justice system because it's harder on blacks. Judicial reform or a better education system might be in order.

Your comparison is nonsensical and illogical. Do you understand what capital punishment means? When someone is sentenced to death, they're... put to death. Admitting that the justice system is not perfect, while at the same time defending capital punishment, is insanity, rooster. A death penalty that is biased and skewed racially and socioeconomically should not be used, period.

Also, I know very few people who are solely against the death penalty because of its racial bias. Anyone who understands that bias can often understand the other failings with the system.

Oh, and "don't... isn't... un-"? Three negatives? Could you add another couple on there?

[RedSkunk]

At 2/28/06 11:25 AM, Meegeer wrote: You crazy American's and your death penalties... although I don't really agree with our system up here in your cold neighbour, 25 years is life? ha.

Twenty-five years is not life, in Canada. You don't understand your own legal system. An inmate can be sentenced to life – but the maximum number of years an inmate can serve before being up for parole is 25. Additionally, the Canadian system can also sentence people to consecutive life sentences, meaning they're never up for parole. It's a very good system that I wish the US would adopt.

Anyway, the death sentence is not racist, how can it be, it is only a system. It just depends on the crime commited does it not? Maybe the judicial system is flawed and it convicts more black people than white therefore making the death penalty seem like it is racist, meanwhile it is the jury and judges who are the racists, quite possibly lawyers as well.

Yes, and the slave system of the 18th-19th century in the US wasn't racist, because it was "only a system." Stop playing semantics. We all realize that a system can't be "racist" in the strictest sense of the word. But at the same time, we all understand what it's meant when we say that a system is racist.

[RedSkunk]

Hm, I might have been wrong about the consecutive life sentence thing. However the rest was correct. And before someone starts blowing off about allowing parole on life sentences, consider the avg. time spent in jail, comparing the US with Canada:

United States
life without parole 29 years
life with parole 18.5 years

Canada
life with parole (only choice) 28.4 years

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I'm getting sick of you stupid Canadians who were force-fed election-time bullshit.

At 2/28/06 11:08 AM, MoralLibertarian wrote:

At 2/28/06 08:17 AM, ThefollowerofTricky wrote: Pipe down , MoralLibertarian ... how unbiased and reliable is that info since it's coming from some freelance rogue writer?

It's all 100% true. Read Margaret Sanger's books. She's a total nutcase crazy psycho bitch woman. That's not to say that that is what Planned Parenthood is today.

Humm, not very much I'm afraid ... The efforts to educate the masses should be praised not disgraced ... Heck , poor people should be educated not to have alot of children because it puts more financial strain on them and on the welfare system

What do you mean by masses? Black people? Hispanics? Are you sure you don't mean, "Poor people should be educated not to have children because they are of an inferior race?" Yeah, I think I understand you.

1)When it comes to Margaret Sanger true intentions the article was right , there is no doubt about it . As far as how it goes to the correlation between the high number of abortions in minority groups and eugenics , I find that the article is biased and it's probably not showing all sides of the information in order to prove its point.

When I said "masses" , I meant the poor and uneducated who are stuck in a cycle of poverty . I really don't give a damn if they're black or white... I think that one of the ways to help them out of their poverty cycle is by teaching them how to prevent an unwanted child by wearing condoms and etc but I guess you don't really understand that , do you ? Sure , it's easy to simply accuse me of being racist for saying that while ignoring the fact that a fair amount of the minority population is stuck in a cycle of poverty. Now , if the article said anything about high abortion rates affecting not only the poor Black and Hispanic but also the well-off middle class and rich segment then you would have a valid article at your hands.

[Trik-Jicci]

At 2/27/06 09:57 PM, MoralLibertarian wrote: If more black men are executed by the state than white men, does that mean the death penalty is racist?

No, it means the people who would think that are racist because you shouldn't think there are more black people executed than white people, but rather one number as a whole. See, they are really the ones who are racist. The people fighting against the death penalty are stupid. First, because of the reason I just stated, and second, I know that its in the Bill of Rights that says harsh punishments shouldn't be done but what are you going to do? Let men who took innocent people's lives away and let him live? Im sure the victim's families would disagree. An eye for an eye...

[SolInvictus]

At 2/27/06 09:57 PM, MoralLibertarian wrote: If more black men are executed by the state than white men, does that mean the death penalty is racist?

as far as racism goes the death penalty itself cannot be racist but the ones administering the sentence may be.

[thesoupnazi10]

At 2/27/06 09:57 PM, MoralLibertarian wrote:
If more black men are executed by the state than white men, does that mean the death penalty is racist?

if a white person slips, falls and dies, then two black men slip fall and die, that must mean life is rascist. i think it is your plan to make all black people get scared and kill themselves. well ive got news for you. i like black people!!!!

[thesoupnazi10]

dont worry, soon all the white people will be enslaved for 400 years then rascism will be eliminated. actually itll probobly be for lik 400 million years...oh shit were screwed...

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

At 2/28/06 02:46 PM, thesoupnazi10 wrote: if a white person slips, falls and dies, then two black men slip fall and die, that must mean life is rascist. i think it is your plan to make all black people get scared and kill themselves. well ive got news for you. i like black people!!!!

Are you suggesting that the racial bias that exists in the judicial system is a result of random chance?

[Mr-Anarchy]

no not at all it just means black men do more illegal shit than white men. wait let me add somthing , they get caught doing more shit. i've been in a max security prison visiting room and most of them were white, that either means white dude do more stuff or they kill all the black dudes.

[TwO-FaCeD-PaRaNoID]

i once heard a story about a black girl who got raped by each member of her fammily .

She got sick of it and grabbed a gun and shot every one of them. She then got the death penalty. If this had happened to a white girl, the girl would probably be set free because she was abused.

ANother story: some white policemen once beated a black bum to death. The trial took place in a black part of Los Angeles, but the laywer of the policemen didn't agreed and moved the trial to a white suburb, (which gave a white jury instead of a black) and the police men were set free

[TwO-FaCeD-PaRaNoID]

At 3/1/06 02:12 PM, Raphaim wrote: I don't see the death penalty as racist. Black people are just stupid.

lol, what you said is just racist, you say all blck people are stupid, you don't even make exceptions.

[TehChahlesh]

At 2/27/06 09:57 PM, MoralLibertarian wrote: If more black men are executed by the state than white men, does that mean the death penalty is racist?

No.