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At 2/27/06 10:28 PM, darkfiretime1 wrote:
You dont hear about this side of the equation. I never do. The fact is, sexism among women and men is changing, its starting to become alot more against men and alot less again women.

Then explain why most women end up being domestic slaves to their men? Most men force their women to do their houswork and cooking no? Sexist is it not? Just cus she's the women she must cook and clean?

At 2/27/06 10:40 PM, JerkClock wrote: Then explain why most women end up being domestic slaves to their men?

Those who are stay at home moms and what not are very rarely forced into those positions by their husbands. The majority of them choose to stay at home. They haven't become domestic slaves, they've chosen a different occupation.

Most men force their women to do their houswork and cooking no?

Where's your evidence on this? And how would he "force" her to do anything other than physical violence, which is also a rarity. As I said, most women choose to be in a domestic position, just like some men choose to be stay at home dads. Does that mean because a man chooses to stay at home he's a slave to his wife?

Sexist is it not?

You have yet to say anything to prove sexism other than spouting off ignorance.

Just cus she's the women she must cook and clean?

Once again, you've proven nothing.

At 2/27/06 10:40 PM, JerkClock wrote:

At 2/27/06 10:28 PM, darkfiretime1 wrote:
You dont hear about this side of the equation. I never do. The fact is, sexism among women and men is changing, its starting to become alot more against men and alot less again women.

Then explain why most women end up being domestic slaves to their men? Most men force their women to do their houswork and cooking no? Sexist is it not? Just cus she's the women she must cook and clean?

If she submitted herself and took on that role, then she has no right to complain. But if these so called "domestic slaves" want to really be treated equal, then they're going to have to get off their asses, get an education, and get a job. It is not up to society to support those who won't support themselves, though granted many more women independent these days than in, for example, the 1960's. If, however, these women are literally "forced" into being a housewife, via spousal abuse and whatnot, then I could totally agree with what you're saying, but I was always under the impression that most housewives chose that lifestyle.

But let's see here. You wrote "most women end up being domestic slaves" Do you know for a fact that it is indeed most? I'm not sure myself, but I'd like to see you back that up.

oh man, all the feminists are gonna flame me :(

At 2/27/06 11:23 PM, Grammer wrote:

oh man, all the feminists are gonna flame me :(

No I won't; you're right.

It isn't all skipping merrily through like for men though, at school you have to act 'macho' or you get beaten up, if there is a divorce it is always "oh he is so evil, you should have broken up with him"

At 2/27/06 05:58 PM, 3lemant wrote: Lady Grace, I meant nothing against you, I used it as an out of context example. I wasnt calling all people Sterotypes, I wasnt calling any specific people Sexist either. No offense made. Very sorry to those offended. Its people that think women are inferior to men that drive me crazy.

Well, does it not bother you that some women think that men are far inferior?

Well, the original qoute "Its to bad they have rights in the first place" came from a post in the old abortions topic under politics in the newgrounds forum. And i totally agree with morefngdbs. Abortion is totally the womens decision and the right shouldnt be taken away from them to have an abortion.

As for the facts previously stated by Darkfiretime, IS dying against men, and IS dying agasint men. It is not growing at all. For the facts provided that 9/10 divorces women taking possesion of the children, That has nothing to do with sexism, it all depends on the issues and personal relationships between the mother/ father/children or the court IF it is involved.

As for the facts previously stated by Darkfiretime, IS dying against men, and IS dying agasint men.

Something got lost when i was copy pasting to check the names again. corrected it is...

As for the facts previously stated by Darkfiretime, sexism is dying against women, and it IS dying against men, although there was never such discussion against sexism against men.

And also, Once again, i mean to apologize for my topic-post to this thread. It was impulsive of me and I did not mean to rush into it like I did. But, as previously stated, I or anyboby else except maybe for a forum administrator, can not edit on newgrounds.

At 2/28/06 07:30 PM, 3lemant wrote: Well, the original qoute "Its to bad they have rights in the first place" came from a post in the old abortions topic under politics in the newgrounds forum. And i totally agree with morefngdbs. Abortion is totally the womens decision and the right shouldnt be taken away from them to have an abortion.

This isn't an Abortion topic but even so.

Abortion isn't a right. It is never defined as a right in the Constitution, thus it is left up to the states to decide whether it's Legal or illegal.

And most people agree that they should be illegal.

It is not a right to avoid responsibility and to perform a Holocaust on Human beings.

At 2/27/06 11:03 PM, LadyGrace wrote:

Those who are stay at home moms and what not are very rarely forced into those positions by their husbands. The majority of them choose to stay at home. They haven't become domestic slaves, they've chosen a different occupation.

Being submissive to sexism doesn't mean it's not sexism. How are you to say their husbands would not have forced them into it had they not submitted?

Where's your evidence on this? And how would he "force" her to do anything other than physical violence, which is also a rarity. As I said, most women choose to be in a domestic position, just like some men choose to be stay at home dads. Does that mean because a man chooses to stay at home he's a slave to his wife?

No, however I've known plenty of my own gender and most say that they think women should be at home cooking and cleaning. That's just how the majority of men think, and it is sexist.

You have yet to say anything to prove sexism other than spouting off ignorance.

Ad nauseum.

Once again, you've proven nothing.

Ad nauseum.

At 2/28/06 05:44 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

At 2/27/06 05:35 PM, 3lemant wrote: Sexism is a growing topic, I particpate in sexism and abortion discussions. And i've read and posted in the abortion on this account and on the last. And some of the posts I find are unbelivable.
(Quote) "Girls shouldnt have the right to have abortions.!"

(Qoute) "Its bad enough they have rights in the first place."

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As a male,(1) I don't believe any male has a right to decide if a woman carries a fetus to term, or aborts it.
Not a male doctor, judge, especially NO politician! (those idiots can screw up going to lunch)
That major decission should be totally the decission of the woman.-in my opinion.
As to their 'having rights in the first place'.

What about the father? Of course the father doesn't count it's completely up to the woman to decide whether or not something that is an equal product of both lives or dies. Of course if the woman does decide to keep the child once it is born and possibly even during the pregnancy she will not hesitate to point out the man's obligation to his part in the creation.

So it seems to me that a sexist individual such as yourself has to decide, is the father a parent meaning he should have a say or is it all up to the woman meaning the man shouldn't be financially obligated.

I believe that neither parent should have a say in whether or not a child is prematurely killed. The only reason an abortion should happen is if the mother would die as a result. Giving the woman, and only the woman, the decision is sexist. After all, the child has just roughly as much genetic material in that baby as the mother does.

At 2/28/06 08:03 PM, JerkClock wrote:

At 2/27/06 11:03 PM, LadyGrace wrote:

Those who are stay at home moms and what not are very rarely forced into those positions by their husbands. The majority of them choose to stay at home. They haven't become domestic slaves, they've chosen a different occupation.

Being submissive to sexism doesn't mean it's not sexism.

It's not sexist for women to work n the kitchen, if they chose that lifestyle, let them.

How are you to say their husbands would not have forced them into it had they not submitted?

Who are you to say they would? And when are you going to prove that "most" women are domestic slaves that obey chauvanistic (<-typo?) husbands?

Where's your evidence on this? And how would he "force" her to do anything other than physical violence, which is also a rarity. As I said, most women choose to be in a domestic position, just like some men choose to be stay at home dads. Does that mean because a man chooses to stay at home he's a slave to his wife?

No, however I've known plenty of my own gender and most say that they think women should be at home cooking and cleaning. That's just how the majority of men think, and it is sexist.

If I were to say that I'd be joking, I would like to see a poll on this and not mere hearsay.

At 2/28/06 09:23 PM, Grammer wrote:

It's not sexist for women to work n the kitchen, if they chose that lifestyle, let them.

Exactly. Is it sexist if a man is a stay-at-home dad? I would have no trouble doing that if there was a need or it made more sense for me to be doing that.

If I were to say that I'd be joking, I would like to see a poll on this and not mere hearsay.

I agree. Let's see some statistics here. I'm not a big fan of statistics, but they're a damned sight better than the facts that you're pulling from your ass.

At 2/28/06 09:23 PM, Grammer wrote:
It's not sexist for women to work n the kitchen, if they chose that lifestyle, let them.

I'm not saying it is, I'm saying it's sexist for men to expect them to do it or treat them like they should.

Who are you to say they would? And when are you going to prove that "most" women are domestic slaves that obey chauvanistic (<-typo?) husbands?

The part you missed is that it's been my experience that most men think that way. And thinking that way is sexist, submissive wife or not.

If I were to say that I'd be joking, I would like to see a poll on this and not mere hearsay.

A poll would be better yes. I do agree.

At 2/28/06 09:43 PM, JerkClock wrote:

I'm not saying it is, I'm saying it's sexist for men to expect them to do it or treat them like they should.

I know many men who respect their wives very well, thank you.

The part you missed is that it's been my experience that most men think that way. And thinking that way is sexist, submissive wife or not.

Your experience is probably not a fair representation of most relationships, though.. It's probably a matter of demographics. I live in Sussex County, New Jersey, I don't think I've ever seen a man beat his wife, doubtless it's happened in my county, but it's not quite so common over here.

But yes, I agree that it's sexist for a man to believe he is better than a woman, even if the woman accepts this. My problem is that you wrote it as if a majority (51% or more) of men actually believe that they are superior over women. I would think this mindset is in the minority, but that's just me. Though if you did not actually mean a majority of men believe that then I apologize.

I did, but you do have a point in that it's hard to find a fair representation of such a claim.

"Then explain why most women end up being domestic slaves to their men? Most men force their women to do their houswork and cooking no? Sexist is it not? Just cus she's the women she must cook and clean?"

You even know what a domestic slave is? These women married the men at choice, not at the barrel of a gun.

Most men force women to do housework? Tell me, where is your information? Where is your information from? Because your source is a liar.

Cook and clean? Men cook and clean to you dumbass.

At 3/1/06 03:30 AM, darkfiretime1 wrote:
You even know what a domestic slave is? These women married the men at choice, not at the barrel of a gun.

Most men force women to do housework? Tell me, where is your information? Where is your information from? Because your source is a liar.

Cook and clean? Men cook and clean to you dumbass.

Can you like, try not to repeat the arguements of others which I already addressed? At least that way you won't look like a hypocrite when you call others stupid.