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Posted at: 2/27/06 02:23 PM

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Britain's political system is in danger of "meltdown" if major changes are not made, an independent report says.
The Power Inquiry, chaired by Baroness Helena Kennedy, says voters feel they have little influence over decisions affecting their lives.

The inquiry's Power to the People report calls for a shift in control from ministers to parliament, and from central to local government.

State funding of political parties and a voting age of 16 are also suggested.

The report drew on 1,500 public submissions as well as surveys and hearings held in the UK during the 12-month inquiry, funded by the Joseph Rowntree Trust to mark its centenary.

Too often, citizens are being evicted from decision-making, rarely asked to get involved and rarely listened to

Baroness Helena Kennedy

It cites the low turnouts in the 2001 and 2005 general elections and falling membership of political parties as proof that "the current way of doing politics is killing politics".

"Politics and government are increasingly in the hands of privileged elites, as if democracy has run out of steam," Lady Kennedy said.

"Too often, citizens are being evicted from decision-making, rarely asked to get involved and rarely listened to."

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As a result, people were turning away from voting and formal politics in favour of direct action and single-issue campaigns, the report says.

Within parliament, the powers of party whips should be restricted in favour of more involvement from cross-party select committees, the report suggests.

And it urges greater power for local councils to administer their own finances.

It argues that individual donations to political parties should be restricted to £10,000.

Power Inquiry: Key recommendations
Donations on political parties to be capped at £10,000
A "voter vouchers" system, where individuals indicate if they wish to allocate £3 of state funding to a particular party
Voters given the chance to put forward laws
The voting age, and the minimum age where people can stand for Parliament, to be reduced to 16
A 70%-elected House of Lords
Monthly logs to monitor ministerial contact with companies, lobbyists and pressure groups
Restrictions on the powers of party whips

In their place, individuals should be able to tick boxes on their ballot paper to give £3 of state funding to their favoured party, it says.

Age limits for both voting and standing for parliament to be reduced to 16, and a House of Lords to which 70% of members are elected, are also suggested.

Logs of ministerial meetings with lobbyists, pressure groups and businesses should be published for greater accountability, the report adds.

An inquiry spokesman said the recommendations were designed to tackle "the creeping threat of authoritarianism".

This could be achieved by "harnessing the kind of interest inspired by single-issue movements like the fox-hunting protests and Live8", he added.

Public opposition

Tony Blair's official spokesman said these were issues which were debated inside and outside parliament and the Power Inquiry "will contribute to the debate".

For the Conservatives, Oliver Heald, Shadow Constitutional Affairs secretary, welcomed the suggestion that some power needs to move from ministers to the House of Commons, and also the call for a substantially elected Upper Chamber(the House of Lords).

However he opposed the plan to drop the voting age to 16. He said: "No European country has a nationwide voting age below 18. Of the mere nine countries in the world that do, the likes of Iran, Sudan, Cuba and North Korea are hardly paragons of democracy.

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"Lowering the voting age would do nothing to address the underlying problems of political disillusionment, and would just lead to young people abstaining from an even earlier age."

The Liberal Democrats' president, Simon Hughes MP, welcomed the report: "British Democracy is in crisis whatever the Government pretends. Most voters are ignored and most people feel they have no influence.

"The Liberal Democrats will continue to push for fairer parliamentary representation and greater Government accountability."

Nottingham University's Philip Cowley, told BBC Radio 4's Today that lowering the voting age to 16 was not the answer.

"When the Electoral Commission looked at this, they found no overwhelming support among young people for it if you poll them properly... they found 80% of the public didn't think 16 was the right age; they thought it was too low.

"So you've got a report here that's all about listening to the public, doing what the public want, and on this particular issue, where 80% of the public think 16 is too low an age, they simply are ignored."


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Posted at: 2/27/06 02:31 PM

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16 is a good and bad thing. On one hand you have kids with consciences (or however the hell you spell that).. On the other hand you have an equal amount of kids that vote whatever the trend is... WAIT! WE HAVE THAT ANYWAY! so honestly I dont see what it would hurt.


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Posted at: 2/27/06 04:30 PM

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Voting can be done resposibly, even for people under the age of 16......

Sure, some people aren't going to make good decisions, but doesn't that come with adult voting as well?

I'm pretty sure some 13 year-olds could make some pretty good desicions about voting and politics and such....

So I just don't see why everyone above the age of 11 can vote!


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Well, When in high school, When we had the fake votes (to see who our school would elect) They all just picked the Republican (George Bush) why? because they knew nothing, didnt care, and wanted to pick whoever their parents or their freinds picked. I just wish for once that America could get a decent president, I dont want any harm to the current presidents.

Many voters dont think and learn the facts about voting, hell in Jr high school the girls voted for whoever was cuter. (well I talked to some and apparently Al Gore looked better then George bush, and then they decided to be imature and start making fun of "Dick Cheney" why? becuz some people need to grow up)

I think that would be a good idea, reducing the age to 16, but not much lower. Something needs to be done to increase the steam of the elctions. I mean, not even 20 million people out of 300 million people voted in the 2004-2008 elections. (American)


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At 16, you don't really have any bills, you don't really know responsibility, and you surely do not have the life experience of even an 18 year old.

16 is too young. 18 is just right. At 18, you are becoming a real adult. You are trusted to make your own decisions when it comes to most things. You are in school or working full-time. 18 is right.


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Next time just post a link to the article, not copy and paste.

And 16 year olds don't know a damn thing about the real world, they shouldn't have a say on who is elected.


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I don't think a voting age of 16 would be good. I mean there are people around 16 like me and my friends who are actual discuss politics, but for every one who does theres like 3 who don't. We had a fake vote in our social studies class last year and everyone but me and one of my friends voted Bush simply because most people in this area are republicans.


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At 2/27/06 08:20 PM, Qnslaught wrote: I don't think a voting age of 16 would be good. I mean there are people around 16 like me and my friends who are actual discuss politics, but for every one who does theres like 3 who don't. We had a fake vote in our social studies class last year and everyone but me and one of my friends voted Bush simply because most people in this area are republicans.

Many people do that even as adults. The nation is divided into republican and democrat. The way people vote for democrat and republican is very similar to your social studies class. They pick who they think other people will vote for so they feel their vote counts. I think the voting age should remain as it is though. I think there is a risk of parents abusing the system if it was lowered as well. I think the voting age is perfect where it is right now.


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First, doesn't anyone find it ironic that a Baroness is talking about democracy?

Second, 122,293,332 vote were counted for President in the 2004 elections.


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I think is a good idea and important that the youth can have an oportunity to express them selves and get heard. : )

Voting age reduced to 16?


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We also had a fake election at our school, the BNP won o.0


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And 16 year olds don't know a damn thing about the real world, they shouldn't have a say on who is elected.

That is prerty shallow, Many teens have more knowledge then those above 18 or 21. It is pretty radical to say that they dont know a dam thing, when they are still in school and there are older people (40-50) who are voting because what they see on commercials about the presidents or what is advertised, while this is misleading information.

Whatever the case, I dont think it would make a tremendous difference if the voting age was reduced 2 or 3 years. Most teens I know are to lazy to vote, because of the whole "1 vote doesn't make a difference".


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122,293,332 vote were counted for President in the 2004 elections.

Raptorman, I accidentally said that out of context, thx for bringing it up (Now if only i could edit my old post...)

It was around 20 milliom U.S. Citizens that were UNDER 20.

It wasn't supposed to be out of 300 million either. My fault my error, I appoligize


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At 2/28/06 05:37 PM, 3lemant wrote:
And 16 year olds don't know a damn thing about the real world, they shouldn't have a say on who is elected.
That is prerty shallow, Many teens have more knowledge then those above 18 or 21.

Some do. But the vast majority don't.

It is pretty radical to say that they dont know a damn thing, when they are still in school and there are older people (40-50) who are voting because what they see on commercials about the presidents or what is advertised, while this is misleading information.

Do you really think that simply going through the education system makes one more informed about politics?


Whatever the case, I dont think it would make a tremendous difference if the voting age was reduced 2 or 3 years. Most teens I know are to lazy to vote, because of the whole "1 vote doesn't make a difference".

True, 2 or 3 years is not a big difference, but around 18 a lot changes. When you become an adult, you are given more freedom and are expected to get wiser to handle it. While this is not neccesarily the result, there are a lot more 18 year olds who would vote intelligently than 16 year olds.


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If Britain has an 'electoral college' or something similar to that like we do in the USA, then kids can start learning early how little their vote matters!

For instance, say I live in Kentucky which I did this year. And in the past election I felt like voting for Kerry (not based on Kerry's politics or agenda but, just on the fact that I have to fight his wars) but, being that I live in a redneck state, the fact that I vote for Kerry won't make a damn difference. In fact it's an utter waste of my time.
Because, the electoral college for Kentucky will still vote for Bush (based on the statitistics that they're all dumb rednecks or majority at least)

And to top that off, I got my absentee ballot (which I had ordered 3 months in advance) a week after the election. Thanks for letting my vote count Mr. President!
How's that for vote fraud? The electoral college needs to be kicked out on the street and we need to go straight popular vote.


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At 2/28/06 05:44 PM, MasterQueef wrote: If Britain has an 'electoral college' or something similar to that like we do in the USA, then kids can start learning early how little their vote matters!

We do have a similar type of thing, but it's different here because we have a Prime Minister instead of a president. Basically whatever party has the most seats in parliament wins the election. But the seats are judged in a first-past-the-post system rather then proportional representation. So while the winning parties get a bigger share of the seats than their share of votes, for the small parties it's the other way round.

As for voting at 16, I don't care. I don't know if I'll be old enough to vote by the next election (Probably will), but I'm not voting anyway so it doesn't make any difference to me.


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Alright, well thanks for the info...sort of. Still makes little sense to me but, I get the general idea. Off point though, that Moskau video in your signature is funy as hell.


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At 2/27/06 05:58 PM, -Jose- wrote: Next time just post a link to the article, not copy and paste.

And 16 year olds don't know a damn thing about the real world, they shouldn't have a say on who is elected.

Over in britain, you get outta high school at 16 in most places, I think...


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Yes, because there are SOOOOO many informed 18 year olds that vote responsibly, we should give the right to vote to 16 year olds. I'm sure they'll actually give a crap and won't just contribute to the rampant voter ignorence plaguing our political process.

Since sarcasm doen't translate so well via internet, i'm letting you know that that was indeed sarcasm.

May all your sparks be blue, and have a nice day.


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Well where i'm from they're giving 16 year olds the right to vote, and i posted a topic about it many moons ago. Personaly i think its a dumbass idea for where i am, most of the 16 year olds here wont even vote because they dont care, and its probably that way in other places. But saying that, i doubt there are any other places as completly strange as this place.


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90% of the eighteen year olds that I have seen are just as immature as 16 year olds.


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At 2/27/06 05:25 PM, 3lemant wrote: Well, When in high school, When we had the fake votes (to see who our school would elect) They all just picked the Republican (George Bush) why?

My school did something similar but i said F**k bush and kerry, GO NADER!!!


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i am 16 myself but i am for increasing raising the voting age to 21 because then thoes voting will have lived in the real world/paid the takes that suport all the things they pass
also most ppl that are 16 arent into politics and would probably just vote based on their friends/faimily


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Nader? You must be another dumbass tree hugger. My favorite phrase is "Nader is a Traitor".

Actually, he is a sell out to the green party. Way back when my dad was about 25 or so (hes 56 now) he broke into some concrete factories and other heavy polluters and took pictures so that Nader could use them in courts of law against the companies. Nader took a bribe of money not to sue.


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Well you done your homework!

I beleive that ages between 16-18 could work if the voting is optional. Most kids around 16-18 dont really give a shit about politics or who runs their country! But you also have your smart cookies who are passionate towards the subject and will vote meaningfully.

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I know how to compromise everything!
Reinstate a mandatory draft!
Then they'll really give a damn!


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hell yes!

people have died to give us the freedome to vote... so why not extend it to the extra 2 years...

if you are old enouth to have sex then you can also be old enouth to vote i say...


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At 3/7/06 08:26 AM, joelee-on wrote: hell yes!

people have died to give us the freedome to vote... so why not extend it to the extra 2 years...

if you are old enouth to have sex then you can also be old enouth to vote i say...

what about if you aren't old enough to spell 'enough' correctly?

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Honestly, with all of the rampant idiocy involved in voters already, the idea of something good coming out of letting even younger and in general dumber kids vote is assanine.

May all your sparks be blue and have a nice day.


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Voting should be brought to a younger age, whether majority cares or not.Those who care and uderstand should vote . Just because youth doesn't pay bills does'nt mean that they don't face other political problems.They should vote when it comes to those problems because many elders don't care about them.There is always going to be someone on both sides that cares or does'nt


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Voting should be brought to a younger age, whether majority cares or not.Those who care and understand should vote . Just because youth doesn't pay bills does'nt mean that they don't face other political problems.They should vote when it comes to those problems because many elders don't care about them.There is always going to be someone on both sides that cares or does'nt.


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