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At 2/27/06 09:42 PM, AirForceOne91 wrote: Bleh, fine, have survival of the fittest. Too bad some of you debating for it will be the first to die.

Seriously, on paper it may look good to you, but reflect on the practicality.

Practicality of what? Of creating diseases?

At 2/27/06 09:38 PM, peedee wrote:

At 2/27/06 07:42 PM, Leeloo_Minai wrote:
Aging is now considered "dying"? Ok, how does one "live"?

We get older. Getting old entitles getting weaker. You eventually die.

From age 5 to age 10, did you get weaker?

Your logic sucks a fat one.

At 2/27/06 10:07 PM, Leeloo_Minai wrote:

At 2/27/06 09:38 PM, peedee wrote:

At 2/27/06 07:42 PM, Leeloo_Minai wrote:
Aging is now considered "dying"? Ok, how does one "live"?

We get older. Getting old entitles getting weaker. You eventually die.

From age 5 to age 10, did you get weaker?

Your logic sucks a fat one.

From age 1 to 80, do you get weaker? It's in the long term. You don't die at age 10 from natural causes unless something interferes as far as disease or sickness. And that usually is made from humans.

earth is long overdue for a global catastrophe; we'll see natural selection take its course soon enough.

At 2/27/06 10:14 PM, peedee wrote:

At 2/27/06 10:07 PM, Leeloo_Minai wrote:

At 2/27/06 09:38 PM, peedee wrote:

At 2/27/06 07:42 PM, Leeloo_Minai wrote:
Aging is now considered "dying"? Ok, how does one "live"?

We get older. Getting old entitles getting weaker. You eventually die.

From age 5 to age 10, did you get weaker?

Your logic sucks a fat one.

From age 1 to 80, do you get weaker? It's in the long term. You don't die at age 10 from natural causes unless something interferes as far as disease or sickness.

Disease and sickness are natural, are they not? Accidents are natural, are they not?

And that usually is made from humans.

Humans didn't make shit. We just throw shit together to make spiffy stuff.

From age 1 to 80, do you get weaker? It's in the long term. You don't die at age 10 from natural causes unless something interferes as far as disease or sickness.

My point being you are "dying" from the moment you were born the same way B follows A.

My take on it? You're alive at one moment, then you're dead. Simple as that.

At 2/27/06 07:29 PM, BeFell wrote: These things made our ancestors more fit thus they were able to survive to pass on their genes. A distant ancestor of ours did not have the ability to kill a mammoth but he did have the ability to sharpen a stick which could get the job done. If someone saved through medical technology doesn't deserve to pass their traits then niether did that caveman.

That is completly different, the genes passed on by said caveman enabled us to evolve as a species, those genes that he possesed allowed him to create, to invent...they advanced the human race. The genes passed on by someone whos life is extended due to medical intervention, that pass on disease and weakness in no way advance our civilisation, they only burden our childern with a more and more dependent population

Seriously , you guys... you like to talk about having to clean up the gene pool and bullshit like that but what makes you think that your own DNA is defect-free?! What makes you think that you don't have one of those defective genes (Alzheimer or Heart Disease for example) that could be triggered by an event or something ... would you like to be exterminated as well?! No , then shut the fuck up about eugenics and unclean gene pools ... nobody in here has the perfect gene sequence... we all have one defect or another

At 2/28/06 09:01 AM, ThefollowerofTricky wrote: Seriously , you guys... you like to talk about having to clean up the gene pool and bullshit like that but what makes you think that your own DNA is defect-free?! What makes you think that you don't have one of those defective genes (Alzheimer or Heart Disease for example) that could be triggered by an event or something ... would you like to be exterminated as well?! No , then shut the fuck up about eugenics and unclean gene pools ... nobody in here has the perfect gene sequence... we all have one defect or another

Alzheimer and Heart Disease are not passed on genetically, some gene sequences may be more suceptable to them but a child is not born with it because one of his parents had it.

Allowing HIV (the plagues of our generation) to be passed on to the next amounts to criminal negligence, you may aswell leave the child a vile of smallpox. The forced sterilisation of people with such diseases and disabilities would go a long way to purifying the species and giving the future generations of our civilisation the best chance of survival possible.

If these mutated genes are allowed to continue to filter through humanity and multiply i can only see a poor outcome for our peoples future. Most likely not for some time to come, but eventually our refusal to act will take its toll on mankind

Infect a new generation?
Festering swamp of deformity?
Sounds like you have a fairly harsh prejudice towards those with "tarnished Genes". The impression i got from your opener is that you actually have a resentment towards people born with disease or deformity, charming.

If a baby is born with some form of disability should they be destroyed so they can not grow up and "infect a new generation". Or how about the government just castrate those with "tarnished genes".

I understand what you are saying, but i dont see the point in even raising it unless you are some kind of born again hitler.
What do you propose would be a solution to this "problem". Banning medicine???

At 2/28/06 09:21 AM, DingoTheDog wrote:

Sounds like you have a fairly harsh prejudice towards those with "tarnished Genes". The impression i got from your opener is that you actually have a resentment towards people born with disease or deformity, charming.

I have no hatred towards them, i just think that it is irresponsible to let them pass on their "misfortune" to another generation.

If a baby is born with some form of disability should they be destroyed so they can not grow up and "infect a new generation". Or how about the government just castrate those with "tarnished genes".

I wouldnt necessarily say desrtoyed but sterilisation is an answer. that however does not stop the possibility of people passing on the disease through blood, intentionaly or not.

A man i know, (Daniel) is an officer in the London metropolitan police. Several weeks ago on a bust Saturday night they were doing their general patrols, breaking up fights, the usual. While cuffin one man his hand was scraped and the man who he was arresting was also bleeding and grabbed his hand. This man turned out to be HIV possitive and now daniel has to wait for anothe 2 months before they can test to see if he has contracted it (it takes 3 months to show).

I understand what you are saying, but i dont see the point in even raising it unless you are some kind of born again hitler.
What do you propose would be a solution to this "problem". Banning medicine???

I am not a born again Hitler, or anything of the sort, Hitler was an insane racist who wanted a pure master race, i simply propose a healthy human race, free if dibilitating diseases. i do not prepose banning medicine, but banning those with said diseases from reproducing and the only way to ensure that is forced sterilisation

At 2/28/06 09:13 AM, PhysicsMafia wrote:

At 2/28/06 09:01 AM, ThefollowerofTricky wrote:

Alzheimer and Heart Disease are not passed on genetically, some gene sequences may be more suceptable to them but a child is not born with it because one of his parents had it.

Yes, they are . They are diseases that can be passed on from generation to generation ... you could even have one of these genes (unactive) on your DNA ... One's DNA isn't determined just by his mom and dads ... it goes way back... waaaaaaay back! If you tried to exterminate all the people with these genes you could end up exterminating yourself! DNA and Genetics are trickier than you think! You may look at yourself and think you're pretty normal but you might have a recessive (inactive) gene for Down Syndrome in your DNA and never know about it !

Allowing HIV (the plagues of our generation) to be passed on to the next amounts to criminal negligence, you may aswell leave the child a vile of smallpox. The forced sterilisation of people with such diseases and disabilities would go a long way to purifying the species and giving the future generations of our civilisation the best chance of survival possible.
If these mutated genes are allowed to continue to filter through humanity and multiply i can only see a poor outcome for our peoples future. Most likely not for some time to come, but eventually our refusal to act will take its toll on mankind

HIV and all of these genes are results of mutations and/or have been on our gene pool since we came to be ... exterminating them will not solve the problem as new viruses and genetic diseases will take their place . Every age in history has its plagues , stop whining about it.
What we have to do is find out where these mutations come from and find a way to prevent them from happening ; exposure to chemicals(pollution) sure had a part on it , human intervention on areas previously never uninhabited by them (ex: Amazon, Savannas, Mountains, Caverns , and whatnot) certainly causes exposure to new organisms as well as nature itself which is constantly changing. I personally think that to solve and prevent some of these plagues from happening would require seriousness and cooperation from the World Nations which thus far is not happening seriously .

Don't forget homosexuality, those are passed along in genes too.

At 2/28/06 10:44 AM, Leeloo_Minai wrote: Don't forget homosexuality, those are passed along in genes too.

They dont in any way detract from the human race, yea they may like meat and two veg more often than just at sunday dinner but homosexuality is not a mental of physical disability that weakens the human race.

Im not some sort of racist, white power, pure master race freak. i only want what is best for our continued survival

At 2/28/06 10:44 AM, Leeloo_Minai wrote: Don't forget homosexuality, those are passed along in genes too.

Along with alcoholism. That's an inherited disease also.

At 2/28/06 11:17 AM, Leeloo_Minai wrote:

Along with alcoholism. That's an inherited disease also.

No it is not. it is a self inflicted wound of the weak willed. you are not born an alcoholic, you chose to drink and you chose to keep drinking, its the same with drug addicts

At 2/28/06 11:20 AM, PhysicsMafia wrote:

At 2/28/06 11:17 AM, Leeloo_Minai wrote:

Along with alcoholism. That's an inherited disease also.

No it is not. it is a self inflicted wound of the weak willed. you are not born an alcoholic, you chose to drink and you chose to keep drinking, its the same with drug addicts

Why don't we eradicate them, if they're so dumb as to poison their bodies on a daily basis, when they could be doing other, more productive things.

At 2/28/06 11:22 AM, Leeloo_Minai wrote:

Why don't we eradicate them, if they're so dumb as to poison their bodies on a daily basis, when they could be doing other, more productive things.

Well there would be no chance of them doin anything productive if we killed them would there?they dont pass on their alcoholism to the next generation genetically, altho i dont believe that they should be continually treated by the health service for free (NHS where i live) when there are many people who need those services throught no fault of their own. But that for a different topic

At 2/27/06 10:57 PM, Leeloo_Minai wrote:
Disease and sickness are natural, are they not? Accidents are natural, are they not?

And that usually is made from humans.

Humans didn't make shit. We just throw shit together to make spiffy stuff.

1. Disease and sickness are natural, yes. But only because there is an over abundance of living organisms which interact everyday. The flu? Changes all the time. Common cold? Alters itself to beat off our immunities. How does it do this?

Well, we put medication into our bodies, and we create an immunity to certain things. Eventully, some sicknesses evolve and beat our immunity. This continues all the time. After a while, there is going to be some effect from taking meds all the time. Get it?

2." Humans didn't make shit. We just throw shit together to make spiffy stuff."

Contradiction? Yes.

At 2/27/06 10:59 PM, Leeloo_Minai wrote:

From age 1 to 80, do you get weaker? It's in the long term. You don't die at age 10 from natural causes unless something interferes as far as disease or sickness.

My point being you are "dying" from the moment you were born the same way B follows A.

My take on it? You're alive at one moment, then you're dead. Simple as that.

That's what I was saying. You are born dying. What don't you get? We get old and die. I don;t understand what you are fighting me over.

At 2/28/06 09:31 AM, PhysicsMafia wrote:
I have no hatred towards them, i just think that it is irresponsible to let them pass on their "misfortune" to another generation.

Irresponsible? Since when was this anyone on earths responsibility?

I wouldnt necessarily say desrtoyed but sterilisation is an answer. that however does not stop the possibility of people passing on the disease through blood, intentionaly or not.

Say you had a child, a boy. But he has a slight medical disorder. Would you honestly allow the government (who i guess is would implement the "sterilisation") to chop off his balls because they feel it irresponsible to allow someone with faulty genes to reproduce? That scheme would never take off

A man i know, (Daniel) ...... (it takes 3 months to show).

Thats a sad story for sure. But again what solution is there? Destroy everyone wih HIV? or find a cure.

simply propose a healthy human race, free if dibilitating diseases. i do not prepose banning medicine, but banning those with said diseases from reproducing and the only way to ensure that is forced sterilisation

So cut everyone with a genetic disorders balls off, and kill everyone who carries a disease that can be transferred through blood?
I persoally dont think the pros match the cons.

A dibilitating disease is ashame for anyone to suffer for sure, but it doesnt mean anyone has the right to decide whether or not they should be allowed to reproduce (or live). Advances in medicine could one day mean that genetic disorders can be removed, and things like HIV and Aids cured. That would be ideal.

At 2/28/06 11:54 AM, peedee wrote: humans makes diseases adapt.

Viruses could've evolved in another mammalian species, ain't gotta be human.

At 2/28/06 11:55 AM, peedee wrote: That's what I was saying. You are born dying. What don't you get? We get old and die. I don;t understand what you are fighting me over.

I'm saying aging =/= dying.

I don't see why you keep saying that every second you live, you're somehow "weaker".

At 2/28/06 08:45 AM, PhysicsMafia wrote:

At 2/27/06 07:29 PM, BeFell wrote: These things made our ancestors more fit thus they were able to survive to pass on their genes. A distant ancestor of ours did not have the ability to kill a mammoth but he did have the ability to sharpen a stick which could get the job done. If someone saved through medical technology doesn't deserve to pass their traits then niether did that caveman.

That is completly different, the genes passed on by said caveman enabled us to evolve as a species, those genes that he possesed allowed him to create, to invent...they advanced the human race. The genes passed on by someone whos life is extended due to medical intervention, that pass on disease and weakness in no way advance our civilisation, they only burden our childern with a more and more dependent population

It's the exact same thing, the caveman wouldn't have survived if he didn't have tools. The tools weren't only used by those who invented them they were used by everyone who could learn how to wield them. Your logic is false if you claim some didn't live due to the inventiveness of others. As far as weaknesses in the gene pool we have no way of knowing what genes are and aren't beneficial at some future point. Maybe people with sickle cell anemia will be resistant to some kind of a red blood cell attacking virus, we don't know. The only thing we do know for sure is that a diverse gene pool stands a much better chance at adaptation than a homogenous one.

Have you ever heard of the potato blight in Ireland? Basically they weeded out all of the potato varieties that were thought to be weak or contain deformaties until they got to the point where every potato in Ireland was the same "perfect" potato. Then the blight came and these potatos didn't have a resistance. Your goal of "cleaning up" the gene pool could very well lead to the end of the human race.

all is nature. you cant get anything without nature. to make metal, you take a natural thing and make it really hot(requires heat[nature]) then , you take another, make it hot (again, nature) and mix them, then shape it. that was just an example. but its the same with pills and medicines. just cause we arent using herbs or some stuff like it it doesnt mean its not natural!

At 2/28/06 10:44 AM, Leeloo_Minai wrote: Don't forget homosexuality, those are passed along in genes too.

homosexuality isnt passed in genes you stupid fuck! holy crap dude how the fuck are you fuckers so fucking ignorant!!! homosexuality is a sexual preference not a fucking disease!! i know people with openly gay parents who are strait! take that theory and shove it up your damn poop flume!!!!

At 2/28/06 02:31 PM, thesoupnazi10 wrote:

At 2/28/06 10:44 AM, Leeloo_Minai wrote: Don't forget homosexuality, those are passed along in genes too.

homosexuality isnt passed in genes you stupid fuck! holy crap dude how the fuck are you fuckers so fucking ignorant!!! homosexuality is a sexual preference not a fucking disease!! i know people with openly gay parents who are strait! take that theory and shove it up your damn poop flume!!!!

There is some research to show that homosexualty can be genetic it is prolly not a dominate trait and that is why It does not show up in a majorty of children with homosexual parents.

Yeah Natural selection is taking to long I'm off to work on my dooms day device...

At 2/28/06 01:26 PM, Leeloo_Minai wrote:
I don't see why you keep saying that every second you live, you're somehow "weaker".

Well, every second you live, you get closer to death. Make sense now?

At 2/28/06 02:56 PM, peedee wrote: At 2/28/06 01:26 PM, Leeloo_Minai wrote:

I don't see why you keep saying that every second you live, you're somehow "weaker".

Well, every second you live, you get closer to death. Make sense now?

are you emo or something, what a fucking stupid perspective.

At 2/28/06 03:23 PM, DingoTheDog wrote:

At 2/28/06 02:56 PM, peedee wrote: At 2/28/06 01:26 PM, Leeloo_Minai wrote:

I don't see why you keep saying that every second you live, you're somehow "weaker".

Well, every second you live, you get closer to death. Make sense now?

are you emo or something, what a fucking stupid perspective.

Good job on reading one post and responding to it like an idiot!

He's still right though. You do have a stupid fucking perspective.