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And, in your turn, you are a socialist pig. That's what is wrong with this world, people who are wrong are judged by people who are also wrong. I didn't read anything about it, you don't need to do that to see that communism sucks. I spent the first years of my life in the dictatorship of the communism. I don't know what it was like in Russia, but in former Czechoslovakia, it was like a horror movie.

At 1/13/03 04:20 PM, Ted_Easton wrote: If man was perfect, Communism would be perfect. But alas, man needs monetary drive, and his greed knows no bounds...

Man is socialized into the political climate since government is not a naturally existing state in nature. Need proof? Well if it was mans nature to enslave others then there would never have been a monarchy, If it was in our nature to exist in a monarchy then capitalism would have never came to be. Communist is the political scientific progression of mankind. Furthermore, if greed was in our nature then the first fledgling societies of people would not have made it past the initial communal state that existed before agriculture and inevitably a slave state were developed.

At 1/13/03 11:09 AM, omega10mg wrote: LONG LIVE THE IDÈ OF COMMUNISM!

The idea is about the only good part of it.
Communism works. In theory.
In the real world? Nope.
russia. china. cuba. north korea.

LONG LIVE.. er... ANYTHING BUT COMMUNISM!!!!!

At 1/13/03 12:09 PM, RandomFreak wrote: Communism looks great on paper but I think history has shown it doesn't work so well in practice.

I know you have heard this before but here goes. True communism has never been implemented. Communism must first develop in a fully industrialized nation (it never has), the “bolshevik”, of a party for the majority must as apposed to “menshevik” or party of the minority (minority meaning the few and wealthy), and finally it must become a global system so trade is kept balanced (unlike the trade embargos that America used on the U.S.S.R). Industrialization is important because never has a revolution occurred in a country that had the means to be fully self sufficient until all the world followed suit and trust me there are political organizations just waiting for that hat to drop. We now however have the means to produce the means of production. Such as automation of factories. You see, by the laws of supply and demand one must sell a thing for what it cost to make it if one wants to be competitive. The only varying factor is labor and how much a person is payed for it. Labor produces worth. If no labor went into an object then it has no value. Hence no need for money and no limmit on production.

I agree with clownfish
despite the name Communist Bob I believe that communism is all good in theory,but human nature is chaos rules
people just aren't happy earning and getting the same as everyone else. they want to earn more than there friends and people they know. If you don't believe me read lord of the flies.

as for the upper class bastards they were twats and were just as greedy as many of the corporate bosses that america has today

At 1/13/03 12:09 PM, RandomFreak wrote: Communism looks great on paper but I think history has shown it doesn't work so well in practice.

actually, the ussr really worked, until the damn US influenced ppl with their damn fascist, capitalist and individualist ideas, i dont like communism for one simple reason, it doesnt allows religions, i know it has a good reason, but im a catholic, so i dont fit in it, but im surely a center-left person

At 1/25/03 02:09 AM, Zio_Shirai wrote:

At 1/13/03 12:09 PM, RandomFreak wrote: Communism looks great on paper but I think history has shown it doesn't work so well in practice.

actually, the ussr really worked, until the damn US influenced ppl with their damn fascist, capitalist and individualist ideas, i dont like communism for one simple reason, it doesnt allows religions, i know it has a good reason, but im a catholic, so i dont fit in it, but im surely a center-left person

This is correct, the USSR lasted an amazingly long time considering that the country was not fully industrialized, and that America did everything in it’s power to shut them down including but not limited to trade embargos and huge propaganda campaigns. It was like trying to build a house while the guy across the street keeps trying to burn it down. By the way, if communism had no chance of succeeding, how come America spent millions and still continues to spend money to propagandize and fight this “flawed” system? If it will never work then all they have to do is wait till the governments of such countries collapse. The only real mistake made in Russia was the placement of a government system that was not purely communist in nature. It soon went from communism to Stalinism, thus creating a deformed workers state.

The funny thing is that the USSR still enjoyed prosperity while the depression brought most countries to their knees.

Oh, and I failed to mention, religion is still allowed in Communism in a freedom of speech and though sort of way. I mean, ideally in an actual workers state you won’t be jailed because you choose to believe in a god. The idea is to remove organized religion from public life and move spirituality to where it belongs, within the persons personal life. This way no one can manipulate a mass of people by the whims of what they say “God” wants them to do. “God” wants you to give money to the church, “God” wants you to kill those who don’t believe in him, “God” tells you not to question those in power. That is not what religion should be for, it should be something that helps those who need it through difficult times in their lives. Not a mind control device.

Communism is ok in the essence. But it can be to easily mixed with socialism and thus totally destroying the entire essence of it. Even Karl Marx himself said that it couldn't work. He was just and great idealist. I say communism should be tampered and twisted around in a few places so it can appeal more towards the better of the country.

Communism works on small scales, but it fails in larger scales because the system becomes more easily exploited. It's like I've said before, if a system wants to try out socializing or communism, they should start at a smaller scale than huge nations...

Any freaking system is o.k.? as wrong it does not contradict my public profile msg.

and what i will not support any leader that uses method that is violent, illegal, unethnical, force or obligation.

for i will CALL THEM TERRORISTS.

anyway, u can do whatever u want......(read my signature)

At 1/26/03 07:11 PM, Scaletail wrote: Communism works on small scales, but it fails in larger scales because the system becomes more easily exploited. It's like I've said before, if a system wants to try out socializing or communism, they should start at a smaller scale than huge nations...

Actually, ideally communism is a global system. In isolated scenarios there is always a threat of the capitalist nations refusing trade. Just look at how America dealt with the USSR, and the way that we set up trade embargos with Cuba. The idea is to create a true global community.

I think russian and USSR or what is name.They just no have idea and they onlt need a sponsor to begin war of world and play like child.the war will become after they legalize product under pleasure for nothing reason to provokator this world.