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Hey maybe poxpower is right, this multicultural "Campbells Chunky Soup" has failed. It created isolated cultures like Quebec and Chinese communities in B.C. Maybe from now on the English need to start being more aggressive in enforcing English on immigrants to prevent say another Chinese or Spanish version of Quebec from forming in Canada. Gotta protect that English culture...

I always thought everyone in Canada was bilingual, meh, live and learn.

I would like to invite all persecuted Canadians to come to America where every single government entity and medical center has forms available in 79 different languages and hotlines to translators for the languages they don't have. Yes indeed we don't put up with the bullshit in America, it doesn't matter what language you speak as long as you have lots of cash or a valid insurance card.

French Canada is fine, but i hate a quebec seperatist. there's only two provinces that can live on thier own, and those are Ontario and Alberta. the only REAL reason the Quebecers want to seperate is because they think they're "unique" from the rest of Canada. well, so are the Territories, the coasts and the praries.

the worst kind of seperatist is one who has a snotty attitude about it. sure, one who thinks Quebec should be seperate for reasons beyond the "pure-langue" crap are entitled to thier oppinion. but i know this one girl from Quebec who's a stuck up snot. we were learning about the October Crisis, where quebecers killed people and planted bombs because they wanted Quebec to be Seperate, and she start's going on Seperatist shit.

i was VERY close to killing her. she just needed to tick me off even more.

the only time i would support seperatism would be when Quebec would be better off away from Canada, along with every other province. that won't happen in my lifetime hopefully, so screw the seperatists, don't hold grudges against English Canada.

We have our reason to hate english people... but i know that theres some extremist people... i think that im one of them... but i can still be polite or everything... i wont go hit anybody on the street cause they speak english.... and i think that the law of the langage is nice, cause because of this we kept our langage for 400 years even if we were surrounded by english people....

The Quebec could separate... and its not only some racist reason theres plenty of reason and i just dont wanna lose my time to try to explain them to you... And its not the end of the world to learn french... your in our place its just normal to speak our langage... we are still in Canada so... we learn English... and if you come to Quebec... you must learn French... its just normal stop crying for this little thing

At 2/26/06 08:07 PM, mofomojo wrote: Moreover, english people in Quebec happily live there, and for the most part, try their best to learn the language that's been forced on them for the last 20 or 30 years.

Hmm, have you ever lived or visited Quebec? Because I know a LOT of English people who just don't try to learn French, at all. They understand it, but definately can't hold a conversation.

At 2/26/06 08:19 PM, mofomojo wrote: You don't need to learn English to visit Ontario, we're just as unique as you blokes are.

Oh, really? How would you read the signs? How would you talk to most people on the streets? How would you ask for directions?

And most Ontarians CANNOT speak French. Knowing "Bonjour" isn't gonna cut it...

I bet most of you people complaining about Quebec haven't even been in the province. Stop stereotyping Quebec when THIS EVENT HAPPENED IN ONTARIO!

At 2/26/06 09:02 PM, mofomojo wrote: However, it's not incorporated into our law that we require you to speak English publically and officially.

No, because English is mainstream and not in danger of being lost. French Canadians would be assimilated if there were no laws in place to protect the language. The laws are strict (and yes, can be bitchy), but they have a purpose - I really don't think you can appreciate the laws until you actually live in this province.

Ever been to ethnic districts in large cities? The signs are in the native language of the residents as well as English for the majority.

Wow. Have you ever been to Montreal? I GUESS NOT!
We have signs with the native language (China town and little Italie, among others), but instead of English, you have French in there too. What's the problem with that?

Learn a little more about minority rights before speaking next time.

Learn a little more about Quebec before dissing it so much. As I said before, I don't agree with the clinic's policy, BUT STOP STEREOTYPING QUEBEC WHEN YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT GOES ON HERE.

Stockwell Day is a Jesus Freak retard, thus all Canadians are religious retards...
How is that for blowing one single thing out of fucking proportions?

At 2/26/06 09:27 PM, Sirkowski wrote: Stockwell Day is a Jesus Freak retard, thus all Canadians are religious retards...
How is that for blowing one single thing out of fucking proportions?

Well there's more than "one single thing" here because I've seen more examples, some of which are supported by the local governments. Bigotry is one thing, government-sponsered bigotry is another and it needs to be addressed. As I said in my first post, I'm not bashing French-Canadians here. The title was sensationalizing, but it was to get people's attention. Whether you're English or French, take a good look at this and tell me if you think this is wrong.

Hey... Can i have the right to think whatever i want... ? im separatist ! i'm Mohawk ! and i would really do anything for my country ! cause i love it

its one of the best place to live, its pleasant to live in Montreal , we have no complex, you can live your life without worry being you, we'll accept it, we just ask you one thing just learn our langage, it will only help you to integrate the community and become a real Quebece....

you know... thats one of the reason i dont like Canadian English... just try to understand us... yeah we've been beaten... but we still want to survive with the name of French Canadian we have that tittle since 400 years and we want it until we'll become Quebecer !! nothing link to Canada... everybody is gonna be happy... we'll have the right to ask you to speak french and you wont have anything to say... anyway... Quebec is not the same country as Canada... its so different... you should come here and stay for a month and try to understand !

At 2/26/06 06:57 PM, BigBlueBalls wrote: the English need to start being more aggressive in enforcing English on immigrants

Name me one non-deli job or priviledged position you will get anywhere outside of Quebec where you don't need to speak english.
OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111
You evil english tyrants, giving high-ranking jobs to your own people instead of immigrants who speak gibberish talk! Racists. That's what you are. At least there's not a law about it though, that would totaly blow, like, having a law that just openly states what's happening anyways. That's not for the proud, free multi-cultural white upper-class of English AmeriCanadia!

At 2/26/06 07:39 PM, CadillacClock wrote:

"Hum we do accept other cultures.
They just have to speak french."

What's the matter? Become too lazy to quote properly? Or read? Or think?
HI WELCOME TO CANA... OH YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING. That's fine, just go this way and built giant voodoo monoliths covered with virging blood, according to your own culture, we wouldn't want to impose. Btw don't bother filing your tax forms since you can't even read it, just don't pay em, you didn't have em' in your country, we can't impose it on you now haha!
Stop living in wonderland.

You can have ethnics in your Country; the problem is that you don't let them be. You enforce your language on them. That's not being tolerant!

Yeah you enforce dressing to be in public, you fascist hypocrite.
Speaking french is just a question of simplicity and social collusion. If we all speak the same language, I think we can all share our views and traditions a LOT better than if everyone stays in their corner because they don't want to learn other people's languages. Sort of like you I guess.

That's the God damn reason I'm debating this! It’s because Quebec has such laws that are clearly holding discrimination towards other people of other races.

Wtf. People of every color have to learn french and english. I don't see the racism there. Maybe you're insane? Its not like we force anyone to stay, they're fucking IMMIGRANTS. They CHOSE to COME HERE. How COULD we be imposing anything to them??? They wanted to come here, they can leave and go back to whatever hellhole they spawned from if we're so evil.

YOU are enforcing them to learn a language they don't want to learn. YOU are telling them they can't live in your Country because you’re too paranoid of losing your cultural background! That's bullshit! That's not tolerance or ethnic diversity at all.

See above. A language is not a culture. Sure some cultural things are associated with them, but we're not making them watch our tv or read our books. But they know this province is a french one, because the people who live here are french and have been for 400 fucking years. I love how you speak about us being assholes for wanting to keep our culture and then you say they should be allowed to keep theirs.
Again, they can leave to Ontario whenever if they don't like it, there's no border.

What?

You're an idiot?
You haven't once said anything to "if you visit some place, you should speak their language".
Not once :o
You're just trying to avoid issues by focusing on how mean I am for calling you a penishead. Oh no boohoo.

At 2/26/06 08:01 PM, mofomojo wrote: French people get service in Ontario and almost all other provinces from clinics and hospitals, but no, Quebeckers need to be bitches and say "Hey, speak our language or GTFO, eh?!"

You forgot to mention the part where every Quebecer who lives near Ontario speaks fluent English yet very little people in Ontario are even remotely as billigual. Fucking double-standard. "hey you speak english, cool, but I won't learn french, because I don't want to, ha-ah!".
hell what do you know?

At 2/26/06 08:07 PM, mofomojo wrote:
However, when your denied public service on the basis of your language, not only is that unjust, it's unconstitutional and probably illegal.

Dude, I think its pretty clear that lady is an isolated case who got screwed more by her doctor than the fact she can't speak french. So what a french clinic? There's Synagogues, JUST FOR JEWS and no one whines about THAT.

Seriously guys quit it already.
Just because Quebec is part of Canada doesn't suddenly negate the fact that there's 7 million french-speaking people living there and in many respects it already IS a country. Who're you to decide that since more people speak english in Canada, we should the fuck up and wait quietly as every immigrant comes here speaking english-only? You want unity? Well guess what kind of unity you'll have when 2 groups of people who can't speak two languages properly (the deeper into Quebec you go, the shittier english is being taught) will have to live together on a grander scale than just having 4 blocks of Mexicans in the heart of Montreal.

At 2/27/06 10:23 PM, -poxpower- wrote: Name me one non-deli job or priviledged position you will get anywhere outside of Quebec where you don't need to speak english.
OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111
You evil english tyrants, giving high-ranking jobs to your own people instead of immigrants who speak gibberish talk! Racists. That's what you are. At least there's not a law about it though, that would totaly blow, like, having a law that just openly states what's happening anyways. That's not for the proud, free multi-cultural white upper-class of English AmeriCanadia!

If you can find a job that doesn't require you to communicate with customers, then I'm sure you could get by. If you were that adamant against learning English, then just find the right areas where lots of people speak French and isolate yourself. We allow people to do that outside Quebec. That's why there are places in B.C. where almost everyone speaks Chinese and there are entire towns in Ontario and New Brunswick where people speak French. Heck this topic is about being allowed to have their own "french only" hospitals in Ontario. Shouldn't the English have language laws against them doing that? This is allowed outside Quebec... but in Quebec, nope immigrants are FORCED to learn French. Not by choice, but by law.

See the difference? I don't think you do because you keep arguing that English people are forcing immigrants to learn a language, when we don't do that at all. People do it by choice and if they don't want to, then usually they form communities with other individuals who speak the language. If I lived in Quebec, then chances are I'd learn the language by choice. Actually the many times I visited there I switched to my broken French to communicate with people. People naturally pick up culture and language from those we live with. Now forcing them to learn it BY LAW, that is what I'm arguing against.

The simple fact is, if we had language laws that forced French-Canadians to learn English, they would be crying about racism and oppression, while at the same time praising the great language laws of Quebec and not seeing the obvious irony involved.

At 2/28/06 12:10 AM, BigBlueBalls wrote:

If you can find a job that doesn't require you to communicate with customers, then I'm sure you could get by.

Yeah I'll work at the Metropolis robot factory.

If you were that adamant against learning English, then just find the right areas where lots of people speak French and isolate yourself.

sort of like English people do in Quebec. That's GREAT for diversity.

Not by choice, but by law.

If they don't learn it, they separate in their own communities. Then you pretend like you aid cultural exchanges by not having language laws at other places in Canada. Making them learn french is a great way to have everyone be friends.
And fuck choice vs law. There are laws OH NO, LAWS. Some places have certain laws, some other places have different ones, stop trying to use the "well its a law so its bad" argument.
They won't do it otherwise and that's bad in the long-term.

People do it by choice and if they don't want to, then usually they form communities with other individuals who speak the language.

Wow that's retarded. Do you think they deal with governement related things in their own language? Do you think they file their taxes in Chinese? And then go to the Arabic College of Canada? Not learning english is not smart. At all. Saying they don't have to just because there's no law for it is like saying I don't have to breathe because no law forces me.
YOU'RE RIGHT, CONGRATS.

Now forcing them to learn it BY LAW, that is what I'm arguing against.

Bottom line is that they would probably learn english in Quebec, and that's bad for us because we speak french. That's what the problem is, not that they never learn anything but their own language, but the fact that they want to come to the only french part of Canada and they just stick to learning english, that's not acceptable.

The simple fact is, if we had language laws that forced French-Canadians to learn English

we are forced to learn english you tard.

At 2/28/06 12:49 AM, CadillacClock wrote: Obviously you don’t accept cultures if your enforcing language laws on them.

Yeah OBVIOUSLY.
Culture is 100% dependant on language. OF COURSE!

Worked for the Inuit, worked for the Indians, worked for Southern Ontario and Vancouver. Sorry, I must be living in a wonderland.

what?

As I said, they can live in their own culture so long as they abide the law (as in, don't cause harm to others).

That's not how making laws work. And you don't make the laws. Laws are made to facilitate everyone's life and so we can all live together. And if everyone speaks a different language, its not easy. And since we've been here speaking french first, then other people who come here have to learn french. There. Simple.

Who said any thing about living?

hmm let's see. YOU? Constantly bringing up the fact we force people to speak french? Like right now? What does that have to do with touring? We force tourists to send their kids to french schools now?

Quebec will not see these other languages as acceptable within there province.

not mentionning the fact that everyone here learns both english and french...

You don't have to dress a certain way, just hide your genitals please.

wow you bastard. Well here you don't have to speak french a certain way, just as long as we can understand you. Wow.

Yep, a dressing code and a language law are really the same thing.

You say we can't force things onto people unless it would harm people, and I don't see how being naked harms you. Or how having ceremonial Sikh knives harms anyone. Knives don't kill people, people kill people!

Wtf. People of every color have to learn french and english.

Didn't you just say prior to this that they had to learn French?

seriously you must not be able to read.

But they can't go to Quebec with out knowing the language fully? Oh, that's nice. For a province that accepts immigrants you sure do like to throw them off, well, if they don't comply to your language.

So if we have standards for not acceptiong anyone, we suddenly are evil? I don't see the rest of Canada accepting known terrorists. Wow how come? Suddenly discriminating like that.
Immigration is an offer/demand thing. And we have a LOT more demands now than we have places to put them, so we can put whatever laws we want and they have nothing to say, period.
We could make a law so everyone has to wear dresses and shave their beards and they wouldn't have a fucking say in the matter until they became full citizens. We don't have a say on what happens in their countries, why should they dictate to us how we should live? Especialy when they wanted to come here.

Yeah, remember the Churches indulgences and what not? Those went on for quite a while too, they must be the right way to go.

what are you talking about.

Hey dude... i kind know what are the problems with the separation of Quebec and all the matters... and i know we couldnt separate know because yes, our economy would go down and it would take time to bring it back but, i wish that someone will reinforce Quebec , and yeah we need Canada to stay ok cause we have always been with you... we need Canada and Canada need Quebec, cause if we separate they will loose A LOT of money but anyway...

and i dont think i will be the next member of FLQ... its true that i support their ideas and everything... but..... do you realize... that you compare a Quebec law to Russian communist... HEY HO !! Wake up dude.... theres a FUckin big difference.... and if you come to live in Quebec... you normally want to integrate yourself in society....!

I can see why a place would want to preserve their culture, and language is a major part of that. So I think it's fair enough that the French Canadians have laws that try to preserve the French laguage on things like signposts, ect. But denying medical care over something like language is absolutely ridiculous, that should be illegal.

At 2/28/06 06:58 PM, mofomojo wrote:

You can't deprive something as fundamental as healthcare on the basis of language.

Or money right?
hahahahaha

You American whores, sorry to be so harsh, but you really are a bunch of morons down there. Stop thinking you are the top of the league in every domain. All you are really good at right now is looking fat and stupid (thank you stereotypes).

With George in there on Capitol Hill, your economy dwindled (even Canada is close to you now on a dollar value point of view). US popularity is at an all time low and you're starting to get interior problems with the mexicans and poverty and corruption.
Sorry, but now the only thing you can do nowadays is whine and moan and boast about how great you ONCE were... What good comes out of your country now? Give me one thing... Have you like Prince of Persia (From UbiSoft, a Quebec company)? Have you got anything on you (clothes) that comes from the US? No. China or Phillipines yes?

Stop screwing around, face the fact that you are a normal country. One of your arguments against Canada is that we never won a war... Big deal sucka's! Why should we have to win a war nowadays? War might be fun in movies or games but in real life it's not necessary. All the countries are locked up the way they are with their frontiers so the only possible outcome of a war is statu-quo with some thousands of death coming with it..

Why would you have to hate the French? Oh yeah right, they chose not to help during Irak so now french fries aren't french fries anymore but Liberty Fries! C'mon you people! Never has any french done something against you. You treat us as if we were slaves, setting you back two hundred years for christ's sake! Even though you think we can't comunicate between different region dialect and that the Parisian hate the Quebecers, I can tell you you are wrong. We're not animals desperatly trying to survive in a harsh environment. We also live in normal cities even though they are quite smaller than yours (i.e.: New-York > Quebec City).

But you guys have the Rednecks, the South, the Old people in Florida, Yankee's and all stereotype americans we can laugh about. Us canadians don't even mind being depicted as plaid wearing lumberjacks. At least we're not sitting in a Mc Donald's eating away our health in Big Mac's getting fatter and fatter every day like you guys do in the south.

Also, most of the scientists working in the US trying to make your life better are most of the time minorities or refugee's from poor country. When was the last time you seen an American genius? I mean not living there for more than 5 years (Green card wearing little robot). I mean a real moustachio'd, mullet wearing fat man inventing something really revolutionary.. Never.

So just stay the hell in your country doing things.. You people remind me of Rome in it's downing times : Bread, Wine and Games for everyone. Everyone knows the rest, Rome has fallen since then.. like you will soon.

Just because her family doctor works their from time to time i still don't understand her going to a veterinary clinic for treatment.

:)

Hey I am a french canadian, a Quebecois and a separatist. It Doesn't mean I hate english Talking people, geez I live in montréal and my girlfriend in Cornwall (on) Why complaining about the Lauguage law? It's only a signs law, People with serve you in english if they can do it and if they can't they'll find someone else to do it. That law is to protect our language, the french with speak is old yes, but the french they speak in france is mostly turning English. Montréal is mostly the only city in Québec to have multicultural society, all the rest is french, beleive me I use to live 8 hours away from the metropolis and that's why there's the language law

Well, this whole thread just goes to show you why Québec would want to separate, and why french people seem pompus. English people (at least most of the ones on this thread) are racist, ignorant, jealous, and all around pathertic people.

The old lady who had to go to a clinic and wasn't let in beacause of her language is nowere as bad as it is if you only speak french. English-Canadian bigorty is much worse, just try getting service in french in english Canada will you.

:Some one said:
:You evil english tyrants, giving high-ranking jobs to your own people instead of immigrants who speak gibberish talk!

Maybe you should brush up on your history, French-Canadians were here FIRST. You english are the immigrants.

Oh finally. A thread by BigBlueBalls where he doesn't try and bash America.

At 9/30/06 11:36 AM, ManticoreNight wrote: The old lady who had to go to a clinic and wasn't let in beacause of her language is nowere as bad as it is if you only speak french. English-Canadian bigorty is much worse, just try getting service in french in english Canada will you.

I come from Saskatchewan, I have worked retail in the past and have no problems helping people in French, other than how rough my French is.
Most of us do not speak French in the prairies, but there are small French communities here, and we all "learn" French in school. (Although most of the French we know comes from reading cereal boxes and shampoo bottles.)

I'm not sure how hard it is getting official help (as in, from a large company, a hospital, or the government, etc.) in French, but a fair amount of automated machines I have dialed to have given the option of service in English or French.

At 9/30/06 11:36 AM, ManticoreNight wrote: Well, this whole thread just goes to show you why Québec would want to separate, and why french people seem pompus. English people (at least most of the ones on this thread) are racist, ignorant, jealous, and all around pathertic people.

The majority of Québec doesn't want to separate, I thought I'd bring that up. I remember polls going around with the dubious question of 1995 and the results were similar, but a separate poll went out and it said a straight forward question of "do you want Quebec to separate from Canada and for its own country" and it got a much less of a positive response of around 40%.

My point when I made it back in February, is pointing out that there are French people who discriminate based on language, yet when I point out examples of it they claim I'm discriminating against them.

The old lady who had to go to a clinic and wasn't let in beacause of her language is nowere as bad as it is if you only speak french. English-Canadian bigorty is much worse, just try getting service in french in english Canada will you.

You're dancing around the actual event that happened here. It wasn't a French person being turned away from an English hospital. Maybe you'd have hard time finding people over in say Alberta to speak French, but at least they'd still give you service. I'd be just as pissed off to hear about a English hospital turning away French people based on their language. I'm proud of Canada's French heritage (the name Canada was originated from French settlers) and I'd wish to see the language premoted more throughout Canada. I'm against discrimination in all it's forms. That's why I'm against most separatists (not Quebec) because I find most of their platform is bigoted against English-Canada. Just listen to them talk. It's like "oh we don't hate English Canadians, but I just can't stand to be in the same country as them." I'm also against English Canadians who are ignorant in the same way and actually work to help the separatists.

I'm pretty sure they'd admit the person if it was something that required immediate medical attention, it's just that if they're the only clinic in the area properly equipped to serve french-speaking patients, they don't want the place getting clogged up with english-speaking patients who have multiple other options for clinics in the area.

At 2/23/06 05:04 PM, PharaohRamsesII wrote: Yea, the "French" Quebec is pathetic. The language laws here are absolutely absurd, and even real French people hate "French-Canadians"-- Who speak a 1800's version of French mind you.

first we do not speak a 1800's version of french...and yes the separatist AND the language law are pathetic

We should start practicing eugenics and weed out all the french bloodlines.

In legal words: Regardless of who runs the clinics or what policies they adopt, that is blatant discrimination and is an unethical and illegal conduct of business.

In not-so-legal words: I will be reciprocal and tell them "fuck them" then, there won't be any more Francophones to treat when their population in France is overrun by even more Muslims and the Francais become extinct.