Roles Within The Family

[ZeroAsALimit]

I was sitting in Sociology and it occured to me that, although there are theories that blame both the Capitalists and men for percieved inequality that it is probably the fault of ordinary citizens.

When you're young, the girl isn't allowed to play with G.I. Joe, but the toy cooker and vice-versa for the male.

I don't believe there is really a planned inequality. Any inequalities that exist are perpetuated by both sexes. The man is taught from an early point that his domain is with the toys of war and the women the toys of maintenence.

Men are willing to do housework, but women see mens' attempts as inferior. The same applies to the buisness world with men thinking the woman as inferior.

If we change the way we educate our children, we can stamp out the percieved inequalities.

[dELtaluca]

you cant have equality between sexes, because we are different. To a certain degree, yes we can have equality but there is always going to be inequalitys

[ZeroAsALimit]

At 2/23/06 07:29 AM, -dELta- wrote: you cant have equality between sexes, because we are different. To a certain degree, yes we can have equality but there is always going to be inequalitys

Of course, but I meant with regards to the amount of work that both do, their buisness prospects, etc.

Obviously, if a woman leaves her job for maternity leave she will need some time to readjust to the job before being fuly reinstated.

My Sociology teacher mentioned that she was horrified that nurses move down positions when they are off, but I wouldn't want a female brain surgeon who has not been practising for about half a year to tinker with my gulliver.

[BlackMetal-BadAss]

why try to change it?

[ZeroAsALimit]

At 2/23/06 09:29 AM, BlackMetal-BadAss wrote: why try to change it?

Inequalities aren't really there, but are percieved.

Why change it ? To stop Feminism.

[PhysicsMafia]

At 2/23/06 11:38 AM, ZeroAsALimit wrote:

Why change it ? To stop Feminism.

Reinstate the rule of thumb to stop feminism

[ZeroAsALimit]

At 2/23/06 11:46 AM, PhysicsMafia wrote: Reinstate the rule of thumb to stop feminism

???

[mrdurgan]

we have to have seperate gender roles, to a certain extent, its just the way we've evolved. male children do more sports and pretend-violence games to creatively channel their testosterone. the type of inequality you were on about at the start with capitalism is economic inequality- nothing to do with childrens toys!

[ZeroAsALimit]

At 2/23/06 12:21 PM, mrdurgan wrote: the type of inequality you were on about at the start with capitalism is economic inequality

I barley touched upon Capitalism, my refference to work was about how women are taught their place is in the kitchen while the man is taught that their place is at work from toys.

[WolvenBear]

At 2/23/06 12:33 PM, ZeroAsALimit wrote:

At 2/23/06 12:21 PM, mrdurgan wrote: the type of inequality you were on about at the start with capitalism is economic inequality

I barley touched upon Capitalism, my refference to work was about how women are taught their place is in the kitchen while the man is taught that their place is at work from toys.

Well, seeing as how it's no longer 1950, women aren't taught their place is in the kitchen. If anything we are so desperate to try and change the "socially accepted gender roles" that we are confusing our children, trying to get the genders to behave contrary to their nature.

[ZeroAsALimit]

At 2/23/06 12:48 PM, WolvenBear wrote: Well, seeing as how it's no longer 1950, women aren't taught their place is in the kitchen.

Toy cookers, toy vacuum cleaners, barbie dolls are all aimed at girls.

If anything we are so desperate to try and change the "socially accepted gender roles" that we are confusing our children, trying to get the genders to behave contrary to their nature.

Genders have a natural way of behaving ?

[mayeram]

Is this really even a problem any more? At the very least women have gained an equal footing with men. Things like maternity leave really do hurt women in the work force. Why should a manager promote a woman if she isn’t working as much as the men, because she has a child? It is perfectly acceptable that she isn’t able to work as hard, in order to have children, but who should get promoted faster the person that contributes more to the company or the person that contributes only a reasonable amount to the company because she is taking care of her children or she is giving birth? If women are angry at this, dont be angry at men or other people. Be angry at nature.

If a woman doesn’t have children, she will be on a pretty even footing with men. In fact, there are more women in college today then there are men.

Another thing, in America women often put off having a family so that they can get big in their work career. This is why more and more women are waiting until they are 40 or older to realize that they want children. This is one of the larger problems that will crop up in Japan in the next 20 or so years. They are all working so hard that very few are having children. There was a show on television that I saw once that was talking about how the Japanese were having so few children. There was one example where there was only one child in a grade in an entire major city.

This isn’t going to happen in America, because we have lots of immigrants, but Japan doesn’t allow immigrants as freely as America.

[Der-Ubermensch]

Equality of the sexes is merely an economically and politically driven notion. Shake up the foundations of modern society a little and things will revert easily enough.

[ZeroAsALimit]

At 2/23/06 12:58 PM, mayeram wrote: Is this really even a problem any more?

I don't believe so, but it is still very popular amoungst women and according to my female sociology lecturer, there are contemporary studies that show that division of labour within the house are unequal. Although, I believe this to be because the wife objects to the husband helping (I could be wrong, but I often observe women complaining that men can't do the housework to an adequate standard, and they thus do it themselves).

I view its importance as trying to dampen possible hatren towards men, as I do believe that there is equality.

[Nellio]

At 2/23/06 01:16 PM, ZeroAsALimit wrote: (I could be wrong, but I often observe women complaining that men can't do the housework to an adequate standard, and they thus do it themselves).

So far, I've never encountered a woman who has objected to her husband doing the housework because he couldn't "meet her standards of cleanliness." I'm a little resentful of the role standards set down in American society, mostly because I get overwhelmed by them a lot.

I know I can be a bit of a psycho feminist, but I really wish people would hold more faith in us. It seems like no matter how many times we reiterate that we want to be independant and self-supporting, people still expect us at some point to get married and give up our jobs to take care of the people who now support us (i.e. husbands).

[fli]

Funny and true story.

My mom never allowed me to have toy guns. (Maybe that's why I'm a gun legislation opponent...)

but she allowed my sister and me to play Legos.

She thought it was safe. And what do I do?
I make a gun out of Legos...