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It was the Left who were on Hitler's side, not the conservatives. And the Left were on his side because he was one of them.

http://jonjayray.netfirms.com/hitler.html

[ Despite the blatant Conservative bias in this paper, he's right, Hitler and the Nazis were mostly Leftists. What I find hard to believe is how a man who was brave, intelligent, serving the interests of his people, and an environmentalist can be disliked by anyone who actually knows the truth about him. ]

damn...... long read, probably not worth it, source may not be so reliable, he may have cared for hte enviroment, but he still massacred 6 million jews....

At 2/22/06 12:22 AM, metalhead676 wrote: damn...... long read, probably not worth it, source may not be so reliable, he may have cared for hte enviroment, but he still massacred 6 million jews....

I took about an hour each day but I got through it over the weekend. It's long, but worth it once you make it through ;)

mm, kay, i'll give ita try.

At 2/22/06 12:26 AM, metalhead676 wrote: mm, kay, i'll give ita try.

It was easy for me because I'm already interested in the subject matter and the author does an excellent job making it an interesting, lucid read. I don't know what it's like for you but in any case I would definetly recommend giving a shot at 'er.

At 2/22/06 12:17 AM, Mighty_Genghis wrote:
It was the Left who were on Hitler's side, not the conservatives. And the Left were on his side because he was one of them.

http://jonjayray.netfirms.com/hitler.html

[ Despite the blatant Conservative bias in this paper, he's right, Hitler and the Nazis were mostly Leftists. What I find hard to believe is how a man who was brave, intelligent, serving the interests of his people, and an environmentalist can be disliked by anyone who actually knows the truth about him. ]

The left were on his side because he called his party, THE NATIONALIST SOCIALIST PARTY of GERMANY. He shot Rohm because he was a Socialist and a Homosexual. When the Reichstag burnt down, Hitler blamed the Bolsheviks. Hitler killed off all the leftists, and unions. All his biggest partners and supporters were big buisnesses ex. Folkker. Hitler was definatly not a leftist....

At 2/22/06 12:22 AM, metalhead676 wrote: damn...... long read, probably not worth it, source may not be so reliable, he may have cared for hte enviroment, but he still massacred 6 million jews....

He didnt kill 6 million, that is widely overexaggerated.
Although he did kill a lot of innocent people, he also believed in health and prosperity.

He was the first man to make a law about banning smoking, and banning public drinking.

At 2/22/06 12:32 AM, PharaohRamsesII wrote: Hitler was definatly not a leftist....

Just take a look at the paper first and then we can discuss this later.

A few random thoughts.

I'm not going to read the link. If you're going to take this position, you should state the primary claims, and not make people read something that long.

Calling Hitler either left or right is simply meaningless. Hitler was so far out that it stretches our definitions of 'left' and 'right.'

With that said, the claim that Hitler was "left" is pretty far out there in my mind, and most of the time seems to rely semantics – the "socialism" part of "national socialism." Hitler was an extreme nationalist, and nationalism is a trait of the right. I don't know how the author of that link can say that Hitler had the support of the left. Maybe you'd like to sum it up for us.

I don't know. Generally, I have nothing to say right now, because I quickly scrolled through the text in about a minute. The first responder might eventually read through it, but I wasn't impressed with any of it to seriously considering pouring over it. I think this thread would do better if you summarized the main points in a bulleted list form or something. Or else most of the responses will be as unhelpful and unrelated as this one.

By reading the very first header in that guys' post. I came to the conclusion that guy with a so called "PhD" is a fucking idiot.
"National Socialism Rightist? "
"How can any type of socialism be Rightist? "

This guy to the fucking NAME of Hitlers party to the literal fucking point. Hitler was in no way a Socialist, Just because he called his party that does not mean in no way that he was (He wasn't) a Socialist.
Jesus christ, I can't believe you read all that bullshit.

At 2/22/06 12:34 AM, Velocitom wrote: He didnt kill 6 million, that is widely overexaggerated.

Hitler probably only killed a few dozen at most, but Nazi Germany directly killed more than six million civilians. And that is no over-exaggeration.

He was neither. This topic has potential...to get stupider and stupider with each post.

At 2/22/06 12:36 AM, Mighty_Genghis wrote:

At 2/22/06 12:32 AM, PharaohRamsesII wrote: Hitler was definatly not a leftist....

Just take a look at the paper first and then we can discuss this later.

btw, i wanna post this in anotehr forum, ill credit ya, any objections?.

All this idiot did was take all of Hitlers Slogans, Programmes, Speeches, and Writings literally. Do you really think Hitler was that dumb? Hitler knew how to gain power, and how to keep power. He was in no way anything that he preached about Socialism.
I can't believe you actually take that shit to heart. All this guy does is regurgitate the same bullshit over and over again, that everyone knows, leaves out parts, and forms little theories on it. This guy is pathetic, How did he ever get a PHD?

At 2/22/06 12:38 AM, redskvnk wrote: but Nazi Germany directly killed more than six million civilians.

Civilians, yes. Jews, no.

Most people claim that 6 million jews were killed, but actually only 5 million were killed. And I know that doesnt seem like much of a difference, but is rougly 20% or 1 million off.

At 2/22/06 01:15 AM, Velocitom wrote:

Most people claim that 6 million jews were killed, but actually only 5 million were killed. And I know that doesnt seem like much of a difference, but is rougly 20% or 1 million off.

Ok, I'll assume that was an attempt at a point there. Exact numbers aside he tried to fucking exterminate them.

At 2/22/06 12:36 AM, redskvnk wrote: Maybe you'd like to sum it up for us.

That's a fair and useful suggestion, I'll get on it. Thanks.

At 2/22/06 01:23 AM, stafffighter wrote: Ok, I'll assume that was an attempt at a point there. Exact numbers aside he tried to fucking exterminate them.

Yeah, and it was a good thing he was such a bomber fanatic. Otherwise he might have mass produced the fastest jet around to actually protect his bombers and gain air superiority.

But then again, air superiority could have ment nothing or it could have ment everything when he attacked england.

Would Hitler let me call him a retarded ape? No? Then I guess he didn't believe in free speech.

Did Hitler believe in equal rights? Well no, as long as you're not Aryan.

Was Hitler anti-war? Heh we all know the answer to that one.

Hitler might have believed in socialism, but he certainly wasn't leftist in the way it is defined today. Actually just as he was extreme socialist, he was also extreme right when it came to authoritarian. So you really couldn't say he was left or right, more like a bipolar extreme of both.

At 2/22/06 01:42 AM, BigBlueBalls wrote:

Hitler might have believed in socialism, but he certainly wasn't leftist in the way it is defined today.

Hmmm, here is something worth examining that would say otherwise:
http://jonjayray.net..com/hitler.html#1111

(Don't worry, the section of the paper from the link isn't that long)

On a side note I would like the users of this forum to examine part of the Nazi platform as written by Hitler himself:

9. All citizens of the State shall be equal as regards rights and duties.

17. We demand a land reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to confiscate from the owners without compensation any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.

Now how does that look to you? To me it is extremely Leftist.

"Would Hitler let me call him a retarded ape? No? Then I guess he didn't believe in free speech."

I beg to differ, but leftists are more on the brink of taking free speech away the the right side.

At 2/22/06 12:52 AM, metalhead676 wrote: btw, i wanna post this in anotehr forum, ill credit ya, any objections?.

Haha Dude, I don't even think I could stop you if I wanted to. It's fine, knock yourself out.

(and you don't have to credit me either.)

;)

At 2/22/06 12:58 AM, PharaohRamsesII wrote: This guy is pathetic, How did he ever get a PHD?

Wtf are you ranting on about? You should actually bother to read at least some of the paper before being a jackass and letting us know your opinion.

Now I definetly don't agree with the author's personal philosophy and political beliefs, but I can assure that he knows what he is talking about.

I would have to effectively agree with the article in question. Of course, from what ive learned myself, i knew alot of this stuff already, but it filled in some gaps of information that i didnt have. I find if hilarious that people are denying HItler being a leftist when the proof is layed right before there eyes! Obviously, they did not read it and automatically went to the defense of the leftist side.

who cares if he was a left or what ever. all that maters is that he is dead. too bad his followers all didnt die. damn nazis.

At 2/22/06 01:56 AM, darkfiretime1 wrote: "Would Hitler let me call him a retarded ape? No? Then I guess he didn't believe in free speech."

I beg to differ, but leftists are more on the brink of taking free speech away the the right side.

Proof, or a blind accusation?

Lets see some facts before you make such a claim.
Considering the right is infringing on fundamental rights as we speak, i hightly doubt it.
That is, if i interpreted your horrible sentence accurately.

if he wasn't why is it called: national socialism then???

Stalin and Hitler were on the same line

At 2/22/06 07:25 AM, TwO_FaCeD_PaRaNoID wrote: if he wasn't why is it called: national socialism then???

Stalin and Hitler were on the same line

True, extreme left (aka communism) is usually a tyrannic goverment, URSS, China, North Korea , Cuba. Same thing with fascists. . And I don't think nationalism is a trait of the right, you have in Southamerica, for example Hugo Chavez, who has plenty of social programs, or in the '50 in Argentina, Perón.
Nationalist parties base their power in the masses.

At 2/22/06 12:32 AM, PharaohRamsesII wrote: The left were on his side because he called his party, THE NATIONALIST SOCIALIST PARTY of GERMANY. He shot Rohm because he was a Socialist and a Homosexual. When the Reichstag burnt down, Hitler blamed the Bolsheviks. Hitler killed off all the leftists, and unions. All his biggest partners and supporters were big buisnesses ex. Folkker. Hitler was definatly not a leftist....

He didn't kill off all the leftists; after all, the animal rights people and environmentalists still had a home in Nazi Germany. Hitler simply killed off the competing leftists (commies, unionists, ect...) while integrating the others into his party.

But you are correct about his ties to big business. Personally, I think he used parts of BOTH ideologies to suit his purposes. Whichever party wing he affiliated with was just a means to an end.

In that respect, you might be able to call him the "perfect" politician.

At 2/22/06 11:06 AM, punisher19848 wrote: But you are correct about his ties to big business. Personally, I think he used parts of BOTH ideologies to suit his purposes. Whichever party wing he affiliated with was just a means to an end.

Business and government were one. It was corporatism. Or fascism. Either or.