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Response to Communism 2001-06-11 14:18:16 Reply

Communism is the ideal form of government. This is of course assuming that the goverment has no corruption and is always thinking about the best interest of the whole of the people. Since the likelihood of that happening makes me lol, it will never work.

Please state reasons.....

Those of you who were talking about democracy: There are no democracies. The United States is a Federal Republic. The UK is a Constitutional Monarchy. Democracy is a political buzz word that sounds good because the individual person likes the idea of having more say in the world. Democracy would work if everybody was responsible enough to vote intelligently and every time. The likelihood of that also makes me laugh.

Actually what you just called the US and UK are political buss-words, the idea of democracy is around but its implimentation has been corrupted.

Right now, there is no perfect yet practical form of government. Until we figure out what is, we're stuck with the Golden Rule. Whoever has the gold makes the rules. I don't like it, but that is the case.

That is a pathetically pessimistic view. We don't need to achieve perfection since it is a impossible goal, however there are much better forms of government then what we have now.

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Response to Communism 2001-06-12 02:27:39 Reply

Please state reasons.....

I just said it was the ideal. Every person acting for the best interest of the whole. All people in power are qualified and knowledgable and are not self interested in their actions. ideal, but not bloody likely knowing humanity.

Actually what you just called the US and UK are political buss-words, the idea of democracy is around but its implimentation has been corrupted.

constitutional monarchy and federal republic are the actual names for the types of goverments our respective countries hold. Look it up.

The idea of democracy is around yes, but we're not ready for it. At least we as a whole. If the whole could learn to be civilized and responsible, then we'll have a shot.

That is a pathetically pessimistic view. We don't need to achieve perfection since it is a impossible goal, however there are much better forms of government then what we have now.

Actually I am an optimist and a realist. I hope for the best, but I'm not afraid to admit what I see for truth. Maybe it is different in Britain, but money still runs things in the US.

We must always attempt to better our world and our goverment. The impossibility that we can discover the best way is the only pessimistic thought I see.

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Response to Communism 2001-06-12 08:06:06 Reply

Lets just face it, there is no good or bad political policies or idealogies, but it's the way they are implemented thats the problem. True communism is an excellent ideal, but then again, so is true democracy. Even a totalitarian dictatorship could be productive, provided the leader was a decent man. Therefore, arguments like this are simply futile, because everyone's got different views, and they should be allowed to keep and express those views. Personally I consider myself a socialist (of sorts) who wants a strong government who knows what the hell they're doing to the country, not like the shitty wishy-washy politics of modern democracy.

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Response to Communism 2001-06-12 13:06:51 Reply

I just said it was the ideal. Every person acting for the best interest of the whole. All people in power are qualified and knowledgable and are not self interested in their actions. ideal, but not bloody likely knowing humanity.

That is basing your arguement on humans being born with a nature(which as the arguement goes is greedy and mean) If you want to argue this point I will, but I find it boring after argueing it many times

constitutional monarchy and federal republic are the actual names for the types of goverments our respective countries hold. Look it up.

I know what they are and I know what they mean, they are however labels and not ideals.

The idea of democracy is around yes, but we're not ready for it. At least we as a whole. If the whole could learn to be civilized and responsible, then we'll have a shot.

Actually the implimentaton would be harder, you could give everyone democracy now, but at a rough guess hell would break lose.

Actually I am an optimist and a realist. I hope for the best, but I'm not afraid to admit what I see for truth. Maybe it is different in Britain, but money still runs things in the US.

I'm not saying it's not true, but "resistance is not futile"

We must always attempt to better our world and our goverment. The impossibility that we can discover the best way is the only pessimistic thought I see.

That is the ultimate goal! Saying it's impossible is saying everything people strive for is a waste!

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Response to Communism 2001-06-13 02:03:57 Reply

Lets just face it, there is no good or bad political policies or idealogies, but it's the way they are implemented thats the problem. True communism is an excellent ideal, but then again, so is true democracy. Even a totalitarian dictatorship could be productive, provided the leader was a decent man.

That about covers it. Arguing with slizor further would be a battle of details. WanDababa: you sum it up nicely.

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Response to Communism 2001-06-13 12:10:13 Reply

That about covers it. Arguing with slizor further would be a battle of details. WanDababa: you sum it up nicely.

That would mean?