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At 3/12/06 04:25 PM, Joodah wrote:

At 3/12/06 04:16 PM, RedGlare wrote:

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i said we did not purge anyone.

But you did not back up that statement and are avoiding the main point of that paragraph.

if your neighbors have attacked you twice, and are now increasing their militaries and moving up to your borders, what would you do?

Well i wouldn't attack unless attacked first peace or at least time can always be bought and i certainly wouldn't take there land and deny it was imperialism.

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Sorry that should be live*

you know, i don't think that civilians attack people with rocks, guns, and bombs.
we make "rookie mistakes" because the bastards that do the shooting and bombing hide themselves in the general populace. i'm not saying there have been no civilian casualties, but i am saying that the palestinians themselves are indirectly responsible.

How for trying to defend themselves? plus its been proven that you cannot fight terroism with a sledgehammer you need a scalpal. Ive seen helicopters rocket attack an entire street and in the aftermath theres no proof usuallt that that the victims were terrorists.

I think this is preposterous... I dont mind soldiers killing soldiers... but KILLING LITTLE GIRLS!?!?! that is just evil... I mean I know the fukin suicidals do the same shit but that is just going as low as they do...... plus wtf was she doing wrong?!?! that idiot who shooot her shuld b hanged

At 3/12/06 04:11 PM, -MuTe_EcHo- wrote: When have children carried bombs in their backpacks?The kid was making no effort to get close to the soldiers she was just on her way to school or something.the soldiers shot at her she was scared so she was on her way leaving the area.Its ok for soldiers to be suspicious but not when their target is a little girl who attempts to get away.dont you know that after the soldiers shot at her she understood and decided to leave.The Palestinian people are more fearful to what Israels soldiers could do to them.did you know israeli soldiers can raid Palestinian homes without reason even if the people in the house didnt do anything wrong?Israelis can do whatever they want to Palestinians and thats the problem everybody overlooks.

It's terribly unfortunate. And as I said earlier, it was one person carrying a policy too far. Once she fled out of range they should've let her go, not shoot her. However, the policy is STILL not hard to understand. And no Israelies cannot do "whatever they want" to Palestinians. And children have been used as walking bombs for decades.

the IRA was a terrorist group and they became more peaceful with their rivals.The PLO did crap with helping Palestinians.they were corrupt and took the Palestinian money and they did little.Hamas was acvtually helping the citisenz when nobody cared or when nobody understood the Palestinian problem.

The IRA became more peaceful and eventually (more or less) went away. Hamas is still calling for the violent overthrow of Israel and the death of it's people.

What?

Same situation. Someone is elected who expresses a goal to hurt a group of people. He gets elected and hurts those people. Wouldn't a logical person condemn those who voted for him? The hypothetical was not that hard to understand.

At 3/12/06 04:50 PM, WolvenBear wrote:

At 3/12/06 04:11 PM, -MuTe_EcHo- wrote:

It's terribly unfortunate. And as I said earlier, it was one person carrying a policy too far. Once she fled out of range they should've let her go, not shoot her. However, the policy is STILL not hard to understand. And no Israelies cannot do "whatever they want" to Palestinians. And children have been used as walking bombs for decades.

This policy may have some mistakes and may need to be overlooked.And it may also not be the policy as the problem.but the people who refuse to follow military guidelines.do you want to know what I would do?Well If the girl was walking dead straight toward me and had a large bookbag I would be firing warning shots and screaming at her.I would make it extremely obvious that the girl didnt belong there.If I felt that she was out to kill me and my other men felt that way I would have to take action.

But the moment she turned around I would lower my gun and continue to watch her just to make sure nothing else would happen.

The IRA became more peaceful and eventually (more or less) went away. Hamas is still calling for the violent overthrow of Israel and the death of it's people.

Well,now that Hamas has great responsibilities they will have to decide what Is good for the millions of Palestinians,and they will have to determine the best way to help their people.

Same situation. Someone is elected who expresses a goal to hurt a group of people. He gets elected and hurts those people. Wouldn't a logical person condemn those who voted for him? The hypothetical was not that hard to understand.

If there was someone expressing hate towards some other group and saying that they would eradicate that said group If elected,then there would be a problem there.But the reason why Palestinians wanted Hamas was because Hamas unlike previous governments took action,listened to the Palestinians and actually helped them.I really think violenece can end If Hamas Is serious and the Israeli military is serious about Its enemy.

At 3/12/06 05:48 PM, -MuTe_EcHo- wrote: This policy may have some mistakes and may need to be overlooked.And it may also not be the policy as the problem.but the people who refuse to follow military guidelines.do you want to know what I would do?Well If the girl was walking dead straight toward me and had a large bookbag I would be firing warning shots and screaming at her.I would make it extremely obvious that the girl didnt belong there.If I felt that she was out to kill me and my other men felt that way I would have to take action.

But the moment she turned around I would lower my gun and continue to watch her just to make sure nothing else would happen.

Granted. But it's easy to say "this is what I'd do in a situation". But when you're in it, it's not as easy. Hindsight is always 20/20

Well,now that Hamas has great responsibilities they will have to decide what Is good for the millions of Palestinians,and they will have to determine the best way to help their people.

That'd be nice. I don't see it happening. They're already off to a piss poor start.

If there was someone expressing hate towards some other group and saying that they would eradicate that said group If elected,then there would be a problem there.But the reason why Palestinians wanted Hamas was because Hamas unlike previous governments took action,listened to the Palestinians and actually helped them.I really think violenece can end If Hamas Is serious and the Israeli military is serious about Its enemy.

And that's Hamas. They want Israel gone. It was one of their campaign promises. They got elected. Draw your own conclusions.

At 3/12/06 05:52 PM, WolvenBear wrote:

At 3/12/06 05:48 PM, -MuTe_EcHo- wrote:

Granted. But it's easy to say "this is what I'd do in a situation". But when you're in it, it's not as easy. Hindsight is always 20/20

C'mon what is so hard?

That'd be nice. I don't see it happening. They're already off to a piss poor start.

What did they do?

And that's Hamas. They want Israel gone. It was one of their campaign promises. They got elected. Draw your own conclusions.

They can still change their policies If the Palestinians want it.And as soon as the Israeli Military can stop antagonizing and subjugating many Palestinians and can actually listen to International critiscism including the US about Its 20 foot high barrier wall that cuts into Palestinian territory thats supposed to be apart of the palestinian state then progress will be made.

At 3/12/06 06:10 PM, -MuTe_EcHo- wrote: C'mon what is so hard?

Have a gun in your hands in a combat zone. Your perspective changes.

What did they do?

They have already refused peace talks with Israel.

They can still change their policies If the Palestinians want it.And as soon as the Israeli Military can stop antagonizing and subjugating many Palestinians and can actually listen to International critiscism including the US about Its 20 foot high barrier wall that cuts into Palestinian territory thats supposed to be apart of the palestinian state then progress will be made.

See, we're back to this. Israel DOES listen to international criticism. Palestine doesn't. The arab world hates Israel. Look at the history of the Palestine/Israel conflict. Palestine does not want Israel to exist. It was said that once Israel gave up Gaza and the West Bank that Palestine would be sated. But what's going on now? They want MORE land? Ridiculous. They have no desire to peacefully co-exist.

At 3/12/06 06:18 PM, WolvenBear wrote:

At 3/12/06 06:10 PM, -MuTe_EcHo- wrote:

Have a gun in your hands in a combat zone. Your perspective changes.

Ok.

They have already refused peace talks with Israel.

They have just recently taken office I doubt they will be eager to discuss with Israel right away.

See, we're back to this. Israel DOES listen to international criticism. Palestine doesn't. The arab world hates Israel. Look at the history of the Palestine/Israel conflict. Palestine does not want Israel to exist. It was said that once Israel gave up Gaza and the West Bank that Palestine would be sated. But what's going on now? They want MORE land? Ridiculous. They have no desire to peacefully co-exist.

Israel may listen a little but International critisicm doesnt sway Israeli plans anyway.They seem to turn a blind eye about their Barrier which cut into Palestinian land.How can Palestinians cooperate when they are stuck with this problem?You have to solve the barrier problem,remove soldiers from Palestinian territory.I doubt militants will be firing rockets into Israel anymore because this time hamas actually controls the militants and can tell them to stop something the corrupt PA couldnt do.

they want more land?Well not right away anyways.They have to make efforts too.

At 3/12/06 08:21 AM, -MuTe_EcHo- wrote:

:: So even If the girl made all attempts to leave which she did the soldiers still had a right to shoot her in the back?

Yes she forfeited her life when she walked onto that property with something that can conceal a bomb

Just saying that Israelis need to have a positive view of palestinians so peace can succeed.Same thing with Palestinians.

so you compare em to the nazi's?

:: Yeah I think Its true that the media will report on things only when the stories are worth reporting.You dont hear reporters reporting on every single car bomb attack in Iraq because they are just so many.But whenever a suicide bomb attacks happen in Israel which is every 6 or 7 months or so,the media will highlight it.Especially FOX news.But with Palestinians,their side doesnt get nearly as much attention,when Israel blows up an apartment building (this has happened before) or when they fire into streets just to kill one guy and not being concerned about the 9 or 10 others killed.

see. you are terribly misinformed. it happens WAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY more than 1 every 6 or 7 months.

At 3/12/06 04:34 PM, RedGlare wrote:

At 3/12/06 04:25 PM, Joodah wrote:

At 3/12/06 04:16 PM, RedGlare wrote:

i said we did not purge anyone.

But you did not back up that statement and are avoiding the main point of that paragraph.

how can i back it up? you cannot prove a negative.

if your neighbors have attacked you twice, and are now increasing their militaries and moving up to your borders, what would you do?

Well i wouldn't attack unless attacked first peace or at least time can always be bought and i certainly wouldn't take there land and deny it was imperialism.

nope. look man, israel is roughly the size of new jersey right? how the hell can they be imperialistic with that little bit of land? and they GAVE BACK most of the land they took in their wars also. and, we were attacked first the first 2 times. enough is enough.

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Sorry that should be live*

you know, i don't think that civilians attack people with rocks, guns, and bombs.
we make "rookie mistakes" because the bastards that do the shooting and bombing hide themselves in the general populace. i'm not saying there have been no civilian casualties, but i am saying that the palestinians themselves are indirectly responsible.

How for trying to defend themselves? plus its been proven that you cannot fight terroism with a sledgehammer you need a scalpal. Ive seen helicopters rocket attack an entire street and in the aftermath theres no proof usuallt that that the victims were terrorists.

sure there is. the israeli spec ops/intelligence branch said so. and infantry raids and precision rocket attacks are pretty damn scalpel-ific.

At 3/11/06 06:22 PM, -MuTe_EcHo- wrote: Yes she could have been a threat.the soldiers should have been suspicious up to the point when the backpack was shot off her with a powerful gun,AND the girl was making all efforts to LEAVE the perimeter.how can you shoot someone when they are moving away from your direction?

As I said, if she really was heading away from the place which she shouldn't have gotten to, without leaving the bag there, she wouldn't have been shot. I do not know how barbaric you think we are, but the thing is that in the Israeli army the discipline is very tight. Soldiers are not being forgiven easily. Believe me that the army court is completely neutral and if it found that the soldier is innocent, he is probably is innocent. They have investigated it for months, much much more than the info you have gotten from the silly article.

Ok sure It would be fine to kill a Nazi who actually killed Jews,But what If there was a guy who simply liked Nazis ALOT.If he was charged in an Israeli court he could be killed.I know the Nazis did terrible things,but theres no reason for Israelis to behave the same way towards the Palestinians who live right next door.

As I said, you do not know what you are talking about. We can kill a nazi which killed a lot of people in WW2, but we cannot kill just an anti-semite or a neo-nazi just for being anti semites or neo-nazis. Do you think there are no Israel haters in this country? Do you think we kill them?

Dont get angry Lidov It prevents you from debating right.I know that I don't know how a soldier feels in WAR,but then again Israeli sodliers arent fighting an all out War.they are fighting an uprising which has actually subsided very much.Suicide bombers rarely attack,the Palestinians now are trying to make progress with peace.But I do know when any soldier not just an Israeli Soldier has made a mistake.You have to use common sense and moral thinking to decide if what this man did is wrong.to me He is wrong because even soldiers in his unit dexribed the girl as scared.

Wow, this is a bunch of bullshit. I suggest that you read the papers a little more to know a bit about the current situation. Also, keep in mind that the soldier shot the girl a long time ago. At the time the soldier shot the girl, the suicide bombers were NOT a rare thing. The Palastinians are not currently in the progress of peace, and they also pretty much weren't while this occurance occured.
And the thing that made me angry is that saying of yours in which you said that Israeli soldiers just wish they had the chance to kill many Palastinians.
"Hey, you don't know the American soldiers, they just wish they had the chance to shoot each and every iraqi dead".

At 3/12/06 04:05 PM, Joodah wrote: we did not purge the palestinians, we set up a dividing wall which keeps most people with guns and/or bombs on the opposite side.

Heh, it took me some time to dig this up (obvious name though), but about the purging:

Expelling Bedouin tribes in the Negev

Expelling Palestinian civilians, like for example in Lydda and Ramle.

And I think the Deir Yassin Massacre, which was condoned by the Haganah also qualifies as purging, be it using more violent means. I think what I said in the Zionism topic I linked to also pretty much covers what you said in your first paragraph, so I don't really feel like starting the same rant all over again.

At 3/12/06 10:45 PM, Joodah wrote:
how can i back it up? you cannot prove a negative.

Well you could have told us what authority you have on the subject and your experince.
And your still ignoring the main point of that paragraph.

nope. look man, israel is roughly the size of new jersey right? how the hell can they be imperialistic with that little bit of land? and they GAVE BACK most of the land they took in their wars also. and, we were attacked first the first 2 times. enough is enough.

You have absolutey no idea what imperialism is do you. Imperialism either means to increase your sphere of influence or to expand your borders and control. The scale does not matter Britain is similar size to israel but it conquered 25% of the world, Your saying that wasn't imperialism because the country was small.

And you admitted that Israel did not give back all the land it stole in that war. Which means there borders still expanded so its still an ongoing process of imperialism. The British empire still unofficaly exists only now it has a small chain of islands. Thats still imperialism.

sure there is. the israeli spec ops/intelligence branch said so. and infantry raids and precision rocket attacks are pretty damn scalpel-ific.

If a scalpal was a bludgeon then yea. If thats low casulty special covert strikes against a small number of terrorists then why is it entire sections of refugee camps are leveled why were tanks rolling down the streets of bethlehem and troops closing down a mosque. And the Israeli special forces behave just like terrorists.

At 3/12/06 06:31 PM, -MuTe_EcHo- wrote:

They have already refused peace talks with Israel.

They have just recently taken office I doubt they will be eager to discuss with Israel right away.

Whole international criticism thing. Hamas wanted more of Israel. The world said "give it to them, make peace", so Israel called for talks. Hamas said there was nothing to discuss. The land was theirs, and they wanted it.

Israel may listen a little but International critisicm doesnt sway Israeli plans anyway.They seem to turn a blind eye about their Barrier which cut into Palestinian land.How can Palestinians cooperate when they are stuck with this problem?You have to solve the barrier problem,remove soldiers from Palestinian territory.I doubt militants will be firing rockets into Israel anymore because this time hamas actually controls the militants and can tell them to stop something the corrupt PA couldnt do.

they want more land?Well not right away anyways.They have to make efforts too.

The PLO had control of the militants too. Didn't stop them from attacking Israel. Here's something you probably didn't know. Israel has been DENIED their rightful spot on the UN councils. They are pretty much at the mercy of the World. Giving over the West Bank and the Gaza Strip were at the prodding of the world. Israel listens quite a bit to the world, and capitulates quite a bit to their demands. It's foolish to pretend otherwise.

At 3/13/06 07:43 AM, lapis wrote:

And I think the Deir Yassin Massacre, which was condoned by the Haganah also qualifies as purging, be it using more violent means. I think what I said in the Zionism topic I linked to also pretty much covers what you said in your first paragraph, so I don't really feel like starting the same rant all over again.

lapis, deir yassin was in '48, right?
if so, that was by the maccabees, an unsanctioned extremist group of freedom fighters. plus, if you'll notice, that is the only war time atrocity on israel's record. check those of the arab countries, would you?

At 3/13/06 11:39 AM, RedGlare wrote:

Well you could have told us what authority you have on the subject and your experince.
And your still ignoring the main point of that paragraph.

oh. uh, i just forgot what the original paragraph is. my bad.

You have absolutey no idea what imperialism is do you. Imperialism either means to increase your sphere of influence or to expand your borders and control. The scale does not matter Britain is similar size to israel but it conquered 25% of the world, Your saying that wasn't imperialism because the country was small.

and also, i'm saying that israel has no real desire to increase its borders. it is happy the way it is. it would be nicer if they had nicer neighbors, though.

And you admitted that Israel did not give back all the land it stole in that war. Which means there borders still expanded so its still an ongoing process of imperialism. The British empire still unofficaly exists only now it has a small chain of islands. Thats still imperialism.

nope. nope. nope. look at it this way. your country is attacked. not once, but three times. each time unprovoked. soooooo. are you going to let them get all their land back? nope. you want a buffer zone, and a form of punishment that'll last a while for the attacker.

If a scalpal was a bludgeon then yea. If thats low casulty special covert strikes against a small number of terrorists then why is it entire sections of refugee camps are leveled why were tanks rolling down the streets of bethlehem and troops closing down a mosque. And the Israeli special forces behave just like terrorists.

...because they hide weapons in the mosques? because they hold meetings in the mosques? because the people living in the tents were harboring and helping the terrorists? it's all happened before.

At 3/13/06 06:43 AM, -Kraken- wrote:

At 3/11/06 06:22 PM, -MuTe_EcHo- wrote:

As I said, if she really was heading away from the place which she shouldn't have gotten to, without leaving the bag there, she wouldn't have been shot. I do not know how barbaric you think we are, but the thing is that in the Israeli army the discipline is very tight. Soldiers are not being forgiven easily. Believe me that the army court is completely neutral and if it found that the soldier is innocent, he is probably is innocent. They have investigated it for months, much much more than the info you have gotten from the silly article.

Here we go again.Listen the girl was not planting a bomb.She wasnt attempting anything like that.She was walking with her bag to school.An Israeli sniper shoots the bag to see if its a bomb.Its not but the bag falls to the ground.After being shot at the girl wants to turn back.So she does.But then an Israeli officer takes extra steps by killing her and then shooting her 17 times.You say that the Israeli courts are fair but you cant say you do,jst because your Israeli.The courts jury were probaly all Israeli or all Jewish.These circumstances can happen.

As I said, you do not know what you are talking about. We can kill a nazi which killed a lot of people in WW2, but we cannot kill just an anti-semite or a neo-nazi just for being anti semites or neo-nazis. Do you think there are no Israel haters in this country? Do you think we kill them?

The Israeli law may say that killing anti Semitics without fair trial is wrong but the PEOPLE may think otherwise and implement their own rules.Courts arent 100 % secure.

Wow, this is a bunch of bullshit. I suggest that you read the papers a little more to know a bit about the current situation. Also, keep in mind that the soldier shot the girl a long time ago. At the time the soldier shot the girl, the suicide bombers were NOT a rare thing. The Palastinians are not currently in the progress of peace, and they also pretty much weren't while this occurance occured.
And the thing that made me angry is that saying of yours in which you said that Israeli soldiers just wish they had the chance to kill many Palastinians.
"Hey, you don't know the American soldiers, they just wish they had the chance to shoot each and every iraqi dead".

The soldiers were cautious I understand that.But they killed the girl after she dropped the bag obviously had no intent or purpose to kill Israelis and was trying to get away.then the Soldier kills her while shes facing away from him.Read the article clearly It says she was atleast 100 yards away and the base was properly secured.Just because a rash of suicide bobings have happend doent mean they cant use their common sense with a Palestinian.They should have left her alone when she was walking away.

If she kept on walking toward them even after the bag was shot off her then the soldiers would have known to fire.But even Soldiers in the officers unit was saying that she was scared.

What do you have to say about that?

At 3/13/06 04:24 PM, Joodah wrote: lapis, deir yassin was in '48, right?
if so, that was by the maccabees, an unsanctioned extremist group of freedom fighters. plus, if you'll notice, that is the only war time atrocity on israel's record. check those of the arab countries, would you?

The ones behind the massacre were the Irgun and the Stern Gang. None of the murderers has ever been punished and the leader of the Irgun, Begin, was allowed to become president in the seventies or eighties without ever being punished. And when the IDF was formed the former paramilitaries of the Irgun were allowed to join (I'm not sure about the Lehi). So the state Israel clearly condoned this atrocity. And it wasn't the only atrocity committed or supported by Israel, take Sabra and Shatila for instance, where the Israeli government sent it's Libanese allies into the camps to slaughter the inhabitants. Israel could have easily prevented the massacre but did nothing and they stood by when it happened.

At 3/13/06 04:29 PM, Joodah wrote:

At 3/13/06 11:39 AM, RedGlare wrote:

and also, i'm saying that israel has no real desire to increase its borders. it is happy the way it is. it would be nicer if they had nicer neighbors, though.

I'm sorry but how exactly do you know what the Israeli governments intensions are?

nope. nope. nope. look at it this way. your country is attacked. not once, but three times. each time unprovoked. soooooo. are you going to let them get all their land back? nope. you want a buffer zone, and a form of punishment that'll last a while for the attacker.

Let me tell you a story set in Europe In 1914 a country was invaded by another country, In 1941 that same country invaded that country again. So after beinging attacked twice that country set up a buffer zone and stole Eastern Europe and punished its peoples for joining the axis was that right?

...because they hide weapons in the mosques? because they hold meetings in the mosques? because the people living in the tents were harboring and helping the terrorists? it's all happened before.

Realy well after most of these attacks all these incriminating evidence "magicaly" disapeared. Basicly the Israeli army is doing what the British army did in the 70's instead of going through investigations and all that they take it out on the immediate area.

At 3/14/06 12:10 PM, RedGlare wrote:

I'm sorry but how exactly do you know what the Israeli governments intensions are?

i take it on faith that the government of my spiritual homeland will not attempt to conquer lands that are greater than 50 times their size...

Let me tell you a story set in Europe In 1914 a country was invaded by another country, In 1941 that same country invaded that country again. So after beinging attacked twice that country set up a buffer zone and stole Eastern Europe and punished its peoples for joining the axis was that right?

yes, and russia at that time was under a dictatorship. israel is not a dictatorship. the powers of the prime minister are limited. and also, palestinians who take up arms against it are not israelis.

Realy well after most of these attacks all these incriminating evidence "magicaly" disapeared. Basicly the Israeli army is doing what the British army did in the 70's instead of going through investigations and all that they take it out on the immediate area.

there are sniper reports of muslim troops hiding weapons in mosques, and we know that they meet in mosques because the mossad infiltrates these places routinely.

At 3/14/06 06:51 PM, Joodah wrote:

At 3/14/06 12:10 PM, RedGlare wrote:

I'm sorry but how exactly do you know what the Israeli governments intensions are?

i take it on faith that the government of my spiritual homeland will not attempt to conquer lands that are greater than 50 times their size...

What country do you live in? and how is it a homeland it didn't even exist until the late 40's.

At 3/14/06 12:10 PM, RedGlare wrote: I'm sorry but how exactly do you know what the Israeli governments intensions are?

They have given up land. And are considering giving up more. Doesn't sound like the actions of someone seeking to grow to me.

Realy well after most of these attacks all these incriminating evidence "magicaly" disapeared. Basicly the Israeli army is doing what the British army did in the 70's instead of going through investigations and all that they take it out on the immediate area.

What are you talking about?

uhhh, late 40's? nm'mm its been around befor time was time. but here we go with that difference in beleife, i dont have a given religion, like cathlic, or babtist or anything, i believe:1. yes, there is a god. 2.no, i am not him.
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but thats what this war was all about in the first place, you'de say im stupid for not believing in dinosaurs, and i'de bring out my tanks and go to town on your ass.
pretty stupid huh. and it satarts with 2 people arguing points on newgrounds, and ends up turning into a big deal cuzz 50% say yay and the other 50 say nay.

as a result, a 13 year girl got killed when it should have never happend to begin with.
maybe there squable will end in peace because bothe sides see how dum it is of why there fighting, if they even re member why they started to begin with... anyway

At 3/17/06 10:41 PM, Zackrrior wrote: uhhh, late 40's? nm'mm its been around befor time was time. but here we go with that difference in beleife, i dont have a given religion, like cathlic, or babtist or anything, i believe:1. yes, there is a god. 2.no, i am not him.

Uh, nope, Israel was formed after WW2, to give Jews a homeland after they were forced to flee from much of Europe in fear.

Oh course you're not God. Trust me, no one here will make that mistake.

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but thats what this war was all about in the first place, you'de say im stupid for not believing in dinosaurs, and i'de bring out my tanks and go to town on your ass.
pretty stupid huh. and it satarts with 2 people arguing points on newgrounds, and ends up turning into a big deal cuzz 50% say yay and the other 50 say nay.

Yup, this war started cause of a discussion on Newgrounds. Not the massive anti-Semitism in the middle east. This was so rambling and dumb I had no clue what you are talking about. Who doesn't believe in dinosaurs? We have the damn skeletons for Christ's sake.

as a result, a 13 year girl got killed when it should have never happend to begin with.
maybe there squable will end in peace because bothe sides see how dum it is of why there fighting, if they even re member why they started to begin with... anyway

Israel is fighting for their survival. Palestine is fighting to exterminate them. Go Israel.

In Israle and the West Bank there is'nt a good or evil, only a grey of we'll decide who's what when it's all over

At 3/17/06 11:19 AM, RedGlare wrote:

At 3/14/06 06:51 PM, Joodah wrote:

At 3/14/06 12:10 PM, RedGlare wrote:

I'm sorry but how exactly do you know what the Israeli governments intensions are?

i take it on faith that the government of my spiritual homeland will not attempt to conquer lands that are greater than 50 times their size...

What country do you live in? and how is it a homeland it didn't even exist until the late 40's.

yeah...go back and read that carefully. SPIRITUAL HOMELAND. I live in america, but every jew belongs in israel. there's even a law they have there, where any jew who wants to move in is automatically a citizen.

Fuck Isreal, their digging their own game by activlly choosing to support the death of PEOPLE.

At 3/19/06 02:09 AM, HarmonyClock wrote: Fuck Isreal, their digging their own game by activlly choosing to support the death of PEOPLE.

Do you think it would be better for them to roll belly-up like the Swiss?

At 3/19/06 02:09 AM, HarmonyClock wrote: Fuck Isreal, their digging their own game by activlly choosing to support the death of PEOPLE.

'k do me a favor.
go back and either drink enough or read it enough 'till it starts to make sense.

At 3/17/06 10:55 PM, WolvenBear wrote:

At 3/17/06 10:41 PM, Zackrrior wrote: uhhh, late 40's? nm'mm its been around befor time was time. but here we go with that difference in beleife, i dont have a given religion, like cathlic, or babtist or anything, i believe:1. yes, there is a god. 2.no, i am not him.

Uh, nope, Israel was formed after WW2, to give Jews a homeland after they were forced to flee from much of Europe in fear.

Oh course you're not God. Trust me, no one here will make that mistake.

go
but thats what this war was all about in the first place, you'de say im stupid for not believing in dinosaurs, and i'de bring out my tanks and go to town on your ass.
pretty stupid huh. and it satarts with 2 people arguing points on newgrounds, and ends up turning into a big deal cuzz 50% say yay and the other 50 say nay.

Yup, this war started cause of a discussion on Newgrounds. Not the massive anti-Semitism in the middle east. This was so rambling and dumb I had no clue what you are talking about. Who doesn't believe in dinosaurs? We have the damn skeletons for Christ's sake.

as a result, a 13 year girl got killed when it should have never happend to begin with.
maybe there squable will end in peace because bothe sides see how dum it is of why there fighting, if they even re member why they started to begin with... anyway

Israel is fighting for their survival. Palestine is fighting to exterminate them. Go Israel.

Ok, now tell me this, how do you know Palestine is not fighting for survival? Why can't you say Israel is exterminating them? Because they're not Arabs? If I am correct, Palestine were living in Palestine before Israel came.

I can assure your no weapons were hidden in Mosques... Mosques are used for praying not for gun supplements.

Now about the topic...

She was a small girl Goddammit, how the hell should she know where she was heading too, what kind of asshole shoots a child 17 times in the back...