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Holy shit... I just typed a load of meaningless crap there... excuse me.

(This was originally part of the previous post, but I separated it because it's another long paragraph, and I felt that the reader would be bored if I didn't)

What I'm saying is, that the best thing we can actually do for the ones who have suffered, and who are not alive right now, is to show them a better future for Earth. I'm sure that if many African-Americans who had been suffering from slavery in the past are watching us, they would be glad that the conditions for African-Americans now are much better than their conditions in the past.

If the slaves were still alive today, I would agree we would need to give them something for their troubles.

But to say that it "honors the memory", or any such thing, by giving money to their ancestors is pure crap. It's not accomplishing anything, and the people never suffered on account of it. All they're doing is milking the government for money.

I think Dave Chapelle outlined what would happen if black got there reperation checks "Fubu thats right fubu has just became the largest company in America after merging with KFC this has skyrocketed chicken to $600 a bucket"

"Kiss the rings bitch"

(If you dont understand why im acting like this you have to see the episode)

At 2/18/03 07:24 AM, Ted_Easton wrote: If the slaves were still alive today, I would agree we would need to give them something for their troubles.

But to say that it "honors the memory", or any such thing, by giving money to their ancestors is pure crap. It's not accomplishing anything, and the people never suffered on account of it. All they're doing is milking the government for money.

I completely agree with this. I don't ask for money from the British government because my anscestors fought in the revolutionary war. I don't ask for money from Mississippi because their soldiers shot one of my ancestors on the battlefields in the Civil War. It would be for the best of the world if everyone could just move on, as difficult as it might be, as that would mean releasing blames and grievances.

i would just like to say for NO REASON... that bush licks anus... thank you for your time...

I completely agree with this. I don't ask for money from the British government because my anscestors fought in the revolutionary war. I don't ask for money from Mississippi because their soldiers shot one of my ancestors on the battlefields in the Civil War. It would be for the best of the world if everyone could just move on, as difficult as it might be, as that would mean releasing blames and grievances.

Yeah but that didnt go one for a period of 300 years and im quite sure he wanted to go into war and had a choice too go or to stay unlike the millions of slaves that there whole life was slavery people being brought and died enslaved image if you family did a job your entire life and were'nt paid one time.

well think about it this way. i live in an all black time.. and i'm white! i do have to admit it is intimidating. even though you may be white and grow up in a ghetto like i do i still have to be called a wigger. what the fuck am i to do?

I don't know how anyone else thinks, but when it comes to people, I don't look at skin colour or beliefs. I have one rule when it comes to people. You have cool people, then you have assholes. Trust me, assholes can come in all colours, same with cool people. I think if your going to limit your social interactions with people based solely on the colour of thier skin, then your ignorent and seriously, your the one missing out. I have friends from all races and cultures and I don't see them as being black or white, red or yellow, just chillen people to do shit with. I think this whole world needs to open its eyes and see past simple things like the amount of melanomin you have in your skin cells. We as a people have so much potential to do great things, but some of us, hold us back. I'm am glad to be a part of newgrounds for reasons such as this. We are a community of many countries and races, but little things like that don't hold us back. We all interact and only like and dislike people whether they are assholes or not. Basically what I'm trying to say, is fuck people, we are the most advanced creature on this planet, why the fuck do we let something so small and petty as skin colour hold us back??? What the fuck, people can be pretty stupid. Not matter what colour you are, if your an asshole, then you suck in my books and if your chillen, then your cool in my books. Peace to all.

Hey, stop stealing our TVs and maybe we'll think about it.

Heh...seriously though, I'm not black, but I see how it can be hard sometimes. There's so much affirmative action and diversity shit nowadays though, so it can't be all bad. You really can climb the social ladder regardless of race in most cases, anyone who doesn't see that is just lazy.

No one went out of their way to help the italians or the irish, or any of the other european immigrants, but are they all poor outcasts? No.

Case closed.

No one went out of their way to help the italians or the irish, or any of the other european immigrants, but are they all poor outcasts? No.

Touché

Don't get me started on that

Look at Mario! He's been made one of the most recognizable video game characters of all time! And...um....Conan o' Brien?

At 1/12/03 09:33 AM, DarkBlueFlame753 wrote: As a black male i feel it is harder to be accepted as a functional member of society. Simple things for most become painfully weird for instance say me a 18 year old black walk into a "Starbucks" I'm looked at all sort of ways its as if time stops. So basically what I'm saying is please White America give us a break we just wanna be accepted.

"A black man can steal your stero but he can't be christ" Chris Rock "Dogma"

I agree that some places take black peopleas just some sort of weird color. It will never stop and that a bad thing. America should be shamed. Some white people are steryotypes without even knowing it. They see a black guy walking down the street with a stero. 1out of 5 people will think it was stolen. There is nothing you can do about it. Sorry its the way culture is.

You really can climb the social ladder regardless of race in most cases, anyone who doesn't see that is just lazy.

This is just a rediculous statement. You can climb the social ladder, but some people have exceptionally better chances than others. White kids in the suburbs have much better opportunities than black inner city kids. In many schools in Philadelphia, they have outdated books and kids arn't even able to take them home. The education in the city is poorly lacking, the teachers are underpaid and disinterested. Class size is too big. Where the picture of the schools in the suburbs is in stark contrast. Money needs to be better evenly distributed. And this is likely the picture in countless other areas across the America. I think its more an issue of resources and a dysfunctional welfare system as opposed to lazyness. Not everyone has an equal shot at success.

At 2/18/03 08:03 PM, yellowsmoke wrote: This is just a rediculous statement. You can climb the social ladder, but some people have exceptionally better chances than others. White kids in the suburbs have much better opportunities than black inner city kids. In many schools in Philadelphia, they have outdated books and kids arn't even able to take them home. The education in the city is poorly lacking, the teachers are underpaid and disinterested. Class size is too big. Where the picture of the schools in the suburbs is in stark contrast...

...Not everyone has an equal shot at success.

I agree and disagree with you on plenty of points, yellowsmoke. I believe that people can certainly be hindered in today's society by education inferiorites, but I don't think it's a racial thing so much as a societal/class structure thing. I agree that plenty of white kids benefit from a suburban lifestlye, and sure, plenty of black kids suffer in some of those inner ciites, but there's TONS of backwood country folk that are as white as they come, with nothing to look forward to but working at a gas station. I myself come from such roots [check the profile... I proudly admit to my heritage of White Trash :) ] and am currently attending a community college, which, in some circles, is referred to as "High School Deluxe".

If these kids are suffering and failing miserably, there's nothing stopping them from attending a communiy college. They're laughably cheap (even for those of us with no money, such as myself), and plenty of them even waive the fees if you go through the proper channels and fill out the paper work. There's not "acceptance". Anyone can go. Even high school dropouts. If you get an associate's degree, you can almost certainly transfer to a four-year school, and get a bachelor's or master's or whatever.

So, I think that the problem might stem from laziness as well. Not that I'm racist by any means (check the rant on page 4), nor do I think these kids are at fault. They've had it ingrained in them from pop culture and their own culture of where it's "cool to fail" (this includes the backwoods hicks), and if that's not the problem, they just have no hope. Their parents tell them that they'll never be able to go to college, or they don't agree with what they want to do. They're too busy living up to a self-fulfilling prophesy to pull themselves out of the gutter and disregard what other people think.

It's a sad, sad fucking world, isn't it?

...Not everyone has an equal shot at success.

These are words to remember, as it will be a recurring thing throughout the entire spectrum of human civilization.

At 2/18/03 07:24 AM, Ted_Easton wrote: If the slaves were still alive today, I would agree we would need to give them something for their troubles.

But to say that it "honors the memory", or any such thing, by giving money to their ancestors is pure crap. It's not accomplishing anything, and the people never suffered on account of it. All they're doing is milking the government for money.

I'm in total agreement with that.

Yeah, that's true. The current generation of African-Americans was never enslaved, and aren¡¯t refugees from third-world countries (well, at least the ones that were born here and had their roots deep in North American soil). If money is just given out to the current generation, how are the ones that have suffered going to get it? I think the only right way that money should be spent on this is to spend it on special events on remembering the ones who suffered, and the ones who made a difference - e.g. Martin Luther King Jr., "Black History Month" (in some schools).

At 2/18/03 10:59 AM, DarkBlueFlame753 wrote: I completely agree with this. I don't ask for money from the British government because my anscestors fought in the revolutionary war. I don't ask for money from Mississippi because their soldiers shot one of my ancestors on the battlefields in the Civil War. It would be for the best of the world if everyone could just move on, as difficult as it might be, as that would mean releasing blames and grievances.

Yeah but that didnt go one for a period of 300 years and im quite sure he wanted to go into war and had a choice too go or to stay unlike the millions of slaves that there whole life was slavery people being brought and died enslaved image if you family did a job your entire life and were'nt paid one time.

Yes, the slaves died with much more pain than people in wars, because they were forced to hard labor for their whole lives, without making any single decision on their own. 12 bullets in your leg and waiting for yourself to slowly bleed to death may seem more painfull, but that's just waiting for a short time compared to the time the slaves had to go through with their pain, until they died. The only worse thing that I can think of than this is genocide. I'm glad that Canada has been great to the African-Americans at times during the slave trade to free many slaves.

About the part with wars and soldiers getting shot down while fighting for their country, race, etc., many people are forced into wars - and I'm not talking about the civil war. Even if they're not forced into wars, many brave heroes die in the front lines when they volunteer to take the shells for the ones behind them. Many soldiers also deserve a lot from their country for their courage - like the heroes of World War II who went into a lot to defeat the Nazis and the rest of the Axis.

I still wonder why people are forced to look at skin colors so much. See, that's the basic problem that we have. It would've been much better if you actually paid more attention to... hair or stuff like that. Skin color is something that you can't change (I'm not gonna get into Michael Jackson and all that stuff - but basically, skin is something you should never change), but hair, well, you can change your hairstyle as often as you buy new clothes. Anyone can choose to have curly hair or punk rock hair. Any male (or almost any male) can grow the same facial hair - like the same beard and same moustache.

And one more thing... about clothes - I wear pants that are considered to be a little baggy (not fall-off-and-show-your-boxers baggy, but baggy), but noone sees me as a "chigger" (Sure, I listen to what they call "black music", but people don't really care) or a white-wannabe that is crazy about punk rock (I listen to "white punk rock music" too - you can never combine these two genres tho and listen to both at once, they just don't go together well, but I like both kinds at differnt times - this is very different from many of my friends - not many like both). They just see me as just an average Asian, and some probably won't even look at my skin color.

200 Replies *~^YAY^~*

At 2/19/03 11:58 AM, DarkBlueFlame753 wrote: 200 Replies *~^YAY^~*

Congrats for making history on the POLITICS FORUMS of the NGBBS with this successful topic
Let¡¯s give it for DarkBlueFlame753!

(applause)

At 2/19/03 10:33 PM, Mr_Y wrote:

At 2/19/03 11:58 AM, DarkBlueFlame753 wrote: 200 Replies *~^YAY^~*

Congrats for making history on the POLITICS FORUMS of the NGBBS with this successful topic
Let¡¯s give it for DarkBlueFlame753!

(applause)

Its nothing new, I posted a topic with 200 replies once back in the olden days (wait it was just a few months ago) then I ceased nurturing it and it wilted and died.

Heed my words nurture your post DarkFlame

Anyways, I was wondering about a question that's kind of related to this topic. I'm sure many people have different opinions on this. (This should get a couple of new posts on this topic)

Is it wrong to be racist to yourself and your own race, sometimes, as a joke, as long as you still claim to be part of that race?

Shit.. that last post I posted in this topic was my 250th post and I didn't say anything about that because I was busy congratulating DarkBlueFlame753 on his topic! Damn!

At 2/19/03 10:36 PM, implodinggoat wrote: Its nothing new, I posted a topic with 200 replies once back in the olden days (wait it was just a few months ago) then I ceased nurturing it and it wilted and died.

Well, there are not many large recently updated (within 2 weeks) topics with this many replies in the political section. The largest recent ones here with the exception "Gays should NOT be able to marry." and this topic have only 4 pages maximum - most of them only have 2, which is less than 60 replies. So that's why I think that this one's successful. What I like about the political forums section is that it doesn't have as much crap as the general forums, and most people who post here tend to act nicer.

At 2/19/03 10:33 PM, Mr_Y wrote:

At 2/19/03 11:58 AM, DarkBlueFlame753 wrote: 200 Replies *~^YAY^~*

Congrats for making history on the POLITICS FORUMS of the NGBBS with this successful topic
Let¡¯s give it for DarkBlueFlame753!

(applause)

Thanks I did'nt think people would even asnwer this post but I'm glad to see its still here.

I don't know what you are talking about. You cannot call America, white america. It doesn't fit. I live in a primarily black region. No one looks as blacks as differnt. And I am not racist tho I would have good reasons if I was. If you lived here you could call it black america. What I am trying to say is that you can't gudge an entire country based on a small happening in a small region.

black people rawk!

At 2/20/03 09:30 AM, punkrocksknot wrote: I don't know what you are talking about. You cannot call America, white america. It doesn't fit. I live in a primarily black region. No one looks as blacks as differnt. And I am not racist tho I would have good reasons if I was. If you lived here you could call it black america. What I am trying to say is that you can't gudge an entire country based on a small happening in a small region.

I call it white amercia not because of the happenings to me and racist people i've meet but because Congress the Senate is controlled by whites you control the government you control the contry.