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Ok, fuck it, next time someone looks at you funny, give 'em a black eye.

Once upon a time this thread meant something, now it's degenerated into debate over rhetoric.

Screw this, I've said what I wish. The end.

Look all I'm saying is that i dont agree with your Golden rule because if that was the case Osama would be long dead by now.

If we all followed the golden rule, there wouldn't be any laws.
We wouldn't want to be killed on an electric chair, so we shouldn't do it to them, right?
Wrong. The golden rule is for girl guides. Leave the real world rules to us.

At 1/12/03 09:33 AM, DarkBlueFlame753 wrote: As a black male i feel it is harder to be accepted as a functional member of society. Simple things for most become painfully weird for instance say me a 18 year old black walk into a "Starbucks" I'm looked at all sort of ways its as if time stops. So basically what I'm saying is please White America give us a break we just wanna be accepted.

"A black man can steal your stero but he can't be christ" Chris Rock "Dogma"

"We just wanna be accepted."

I don't know about you, but 'some' Blacks don't want that acceptance!

Blacks are dragged over to the United States, forced to work as slaves, are begrudgingly set free by the higher powers and just 3 decades ago are made 'equal?' Now Blacks are told to 'conform' into white society? Give me a break!

Why is it so bad and wrong for a black person to be 'bad'? Huh? Just because a man dresses like a 'rapper' on a video means that he must really be a criminal? Well excuse us. Why don't I start dressing like YOU and talk like YOU so I can be a 'good' black? Of course, I'd still be BLACK, and I bet that nobody would forget it, would they?!!?

I guess not....

If I walked down your street dressed similarly to how the KKK dressed, and I was yelled at or even attacked, what would you say if I complained on NG?
You know there is a stereostype and a stigma against rappers, so why do you choose to dress like them?
Most of the world doesn't like them, and if you choose to assosciate yourself with them, you have to accept the consequences.

Well the way i see it some whites want us to conform to there ways but that doesnt mean dress there way talking there way and acting there way its far more profitable for them if we keep it highschool drop rappers as our role model that way they will always know were we stand. I find that black people will trade there dignity for money in any form a car a house. I'm not saying "act white" but I am saying is stop going along with the crowd its really boring to just ave someone be able to point at a black person and say oh hes black so he must listen to rap really loud drive a car that has a overly loud speaker system and loves to eat chicken and watermelon all day all before he gets his welfare check. The thought about people thinking that way about me scares me and it should scare you to it seems white america is content with us when we they cant sterotype us and corral us in a little group but pick up a book any your there number one enemy.

It's a stereotype for a kind of clothing. Everyone knows it, everyone's seen it, and if you don't want to be associated with that kind of people, then don't wear that kind of clothing.
If I walked downt the street wearing a suit and tie, you'd think I was a rich, fancy guy. Not different than you walking down the street with jeans around your knees and chains around your neck.
The look was popularized by rappers, so anyone who wears it will be associated with rappers, and that's your responsibility to deal with.

Here, in Spain, we have a similar problem, but it's with arabs and gipsies. here, when you walk along the street and there's a gipsy in the end we change of street. Gipsies are always robbing, that's what people say but i know a few and THEY AREN'T THIEVES. The same goes with arabs. However, there will be a solution? I don't think so. The two sides are very oposited and they won't reconciliate.

So what's the end? Gipsies robbing because they CAN'T DO anything more ( if they work in something they will probably steal everything, that's what the bosses think ) and the normal people avoids them.

There's a solution? I don't think so. That's my opinion

I'm quite sure this problem is the same for all minorites and people who stand out abong a different culture. Will this ever stop happening....no

you are all just jealous because i have a higher voting power than you all, 10.05% at level 3 mwahaha I own you all.

My condemning wand doesn't seem to be working...
EZcheez, please leave the politics forum forever.

Sorry man but given the narrowness of humans in general I don't see this just happening. I mean I think most of us try but don't really know how to do it.

*Sighs* Its a sad sad world we live in people can't even see that other people are'nt out to kill or rob them.

I dont think you should be labeling white America as the maker of your problems. I think American society in general contributes to the continual racism that is in our country.

For example, black rappers singing about slapping up bitches and ho's and smoking his pot and shooting up the gangsters. People see this and associate him being black with something stupid, ghetto and disrespectfull.

White Rappers, like eminem, or whatever his name is contrubite to white people looking like trash, look at that loser.

And then Universities like Michigan State who openly decide to start basing admissions on race wonder why people get pissed off when they themselves are openly racist.

So I think we need as a society to re-evaluate our ideas on what is fair and whats not. We need to find a happy medium where all races can enjoy the same rights and priveleges and enjoy the same social stature.

I happen to like Eminem its a nice change from someone rapping about bitches and hoes and money. Hes pretty funny actually and im not accusing it solely on "White America"(Marshall Matthers ask me about this if you dont get it) I'm accusing all ignorant people.

Anyway does anyone see a way we can reslove this problem is anyone willing to step up to the plate and willingly change?

At 1/22/03 09:35 AM, DarkBlueFlame753 wrote: Anyway does anyone see a way we can reslove this problem is anyone willing to step up to the plate and willingly change?

Hmmm... I guess many people (for example, Martin Luther King), have made great contributions toward the reduction of racism, and it's improving really fast. However, racism is obviously much easier to reduce than to kill. It's really not up to one person taking a stand - individuals can do great things, but it's really up to every single person in the world to stop racism. Racism against African-Americans has been reduced over the years, and that's a great thing. The bad thing is, that people get the wrong message. Many people think that it's only about African-Americans (it's a great thing to reduce racism against them, but...) - They never get it through their heads, that being racist to people like Asians and maybe Brown people is just as bad! So I'm glad that racism in my neighborhood agaist blacks is pretty rare, but the sad thing is that racism against Asians (and some brown people) is not! Staring at you for being in a particular race is pretty bad, but people trying to imitate your language or calling you a chink when they try to offend you is just evil!

So what I'm trying to get at, is that racism is not up to a person, or even a group to stop. An anti-racism group may reduce it greatly, but it's up to all of us humans to stop it. Every single one of us. I know it sounds really hard to do, but that's the only way it's gonna ever stop. Since staring at someone is not a crime, we can't do anything to stop it, but to walk away, maybe with disgust. Everyone should have a kind part of their brain that should say "stop racism", and when that part takes over in each one of our brains, it's gonna stop. I know it sounds almost impossible. It can be made easier if each one of us just talks to the people we know that can do a little better when it comes to anti-racism, and try to help him/her, but that person's decision is not up to us. It's only up to that one individual.

I know it sounds like the easy way out, but hear me out. I think it will go away with time.
Man is naturally afraid of things he is unfamiliar with, the unknown. So over time, people will become more used to living among other races, and eventaully it should just die out.
In some places it may linger a lot longer than most, but I think it will go away eventually on it's own.

At 1/23/03 07:43 AM, Ted_Easton wrote: I know it sounds like the easy way out, but hear me out. I think it will go away with time.
Man is naturally afraid of things he is unfamiliar with, the unknown. So over time, people will become more used to living among other races, and eventaully it should just die out.
In some places it may linger a lot longer than most, but I think it will go away eventually on it's own.

Hmmmm... you do have a point there, Ted_Easton. Some people may be afraid of others because maybe when they immigrate to a country and are just seen, or if they're not afraid, they may have strange feelings and reactions. That is the case for many situations involving racism.

However, I also know a lot of people who are racist, but have seen the people they're racist to for their whole lives, like some people in high school right now, or graduated students - they may have seen Asian/African/Brown people for their whole life in Canada if they were born here - I'm not sure about Brown people, but there were already a lot of Asians from Chinatown (it originated from us building many railroads a long time ago), and you know how Africans were here too. So - not everyone that is racist is unfamiliar with they are offending.

So now, most people don't make fun of black people (unless if they are black). There is some racism still toward them on the media, but a small amount. That's a good thing that not many people are racist toward them, but I've seen a lot of shit, even on TV, against Asian people - so that kinda sucks for me, just because people think it's racist. We're just like another large catagory of people with different skins shades. Maybe a lot of us are doing different things than others, but really, there is also a large part in each race that doesn't want to be really standing out, that just wants to be together with the other races and act like the average people.

So, in conclusion, are we really that different? I mean we're all humans, just with different skin tones. Asians have a shade of yellow, Africans have a shade of black/dark tone, Brown people - a shade of brown, and Europeans - shades of white. So what? People are stuck with waht they have, and if people just won't mind, it won't make the slightest difference.

There is no way in hell Asians have it worse than African Americans the only think people can make fun of you about is the way you talk if you wanna see bad go to the ghetto gilliagans ilse movie thats on here thats how some people think we talk. And besides Asians are like the only group of people that have positive sterotypes sucks all asians are good at math or are book worms and they all know kung fu. Ask someone what they think positive sterotypes for African Americans are i dont think you will find one.

And whats up with this brown stuff light skin people are still black dude. theres not difference its just a lighter skin tone.

So then I could be black? My "white" skin is just a lighter skin tone. It's all just tones, different amounts of pigment in our skin, melanin in our eyes. There shouldn't be any classification, any distinction. Even words. We need to break down all the barriers.

At 1/24/03 08:10 AM, DarkBlueFlame753 wrote: There is no way in hell Asians have it worse than African Americans the only think people can make fun of you about is the way you talk if you wanna see bad go to the ghetto gilliagans ilse movie thats on here thats how some people think we talk. And besides Asians are like the only group of people that have positive sterotypes sucks all asians are good at math or are book worms and they all know kung fu. Ask someone what they think positive sterotypes for African Americans are i dont think you will find one.

Maybe you're right... Probably it's worse for Asians just in my area. I can believe that a lot of people are suffering from racism way more than me in the United States, and that's sad. I'm pretty sure that racism in the United States is pretty much more than Canada. I have to kinda disagree about the stereotypes part though, because I've heard a lot of bad ones about Asians though - "Their eyes are so narrow they CAN'T EVEN SEE", "They are all so fuckin poor and cheap (cept the ones from HongKong)", "They are all racist (definitely not true, I'm not, and many of my other Asian friends are not either, and btw, THAT ITSELF is a racist stereotype)", "Fuckin immigrations - all of them", and the list goes on.

At 1/24/03 08:12 AM, DarkBlueFlame753 wrote: And whats up with this brown stuff light skin people are still black dude. theres not difference its just a lighter skin tone.

"Brown people" was a name south-central people from countries around Pakistan, India, and Sri Lanka called themselves.

And Ted_Easton was right. To me, the colors of people's skins that are all mentioned are just shades too. We are still all humans, right? There is one superior race. It's the humans.

BTW, about the stereotype thing, didn't you ever see a lot of those racist topics on NewGrounds against? Those topics are just simple proof that there are a lot of widely-spread negative stereotypes aimed toward asians. However, they're not all just about Asians, they're about many other people too. Examples of the names for these gay topics are: "What do YOU hate about Asians", and "I hate black people". It's a good thing that the n word was banned from the NGBBS, along with a lot of racist topics from NewGrounds by the NG Crew. Tom Fulp never created a site for people to be racist on. I'm thinking, however, that racist fags who start those topics should be banned too, from the NGBBS or from the whole site. Noone needs gay racist assholes.

I'm reminded of a great quote from that new Andy Richter show, Byrant says something along the lines of...

"I hate racists...I hate their music, I hate their clothes, I hate their stupid culture, I hate the fact that they judge an entire group of people without getting to know the individuals, I hate that they just hate people and won't shut up about how they hate them"...or something like that, I forget how the rant went exactly, but it was really funny, some great irony to it.

But yeah, I'm completely in agreement with the ban the racist pukes ISP idea. But I'd say only if they're a repeat offender, everyone deserves a warning. To some people what is an awful insult is just a mild joke to others. As much as I disapprove of intolerance, I think everyone needs at least one chance to become a better person...I'm not saying repeat offenses, but at least one try at growing.

At 1/24/03 10:31 PM, Scaletail wrote: I'm reminded of a great quote from that new Andy Richter show, Byrant says something along the lines of...

"I hate racists...I hate their music, I hate their clothes, I hate their stupid culture, I hate the fact that they judge an entire group of people without getting to know the individuals, I hate that they just hate people and won't shut up about how they hate them"...or something like that, I forget how the rant went exactly, but it was really funny, some great irony to it.

But yeah, I'm completely in agreement with the ban the racist pukes ISP idea. But I'd say only if they're a repeat offender, everyone deserves a warning. To some people what is an awful insult is just a mild joke to others. As much as I disapprove of intolerance, I think everyone needs at least one chance to become a better person...I'm not saying repeat offenses, but at least one try at growing.

Maybe people do deserve another chance, unless if they go too far (Hitler). There should be an option on NewGrounds for the author of the topic to delete a topic started by him/her, so the second chance would be like shutting down the topic within a certain amount of time. But then, if they keep reviving the gay topics, and start making more racist comments despite objections from others, for more than once, I say have no mercy on them and ban them for good. Getting banned from NewGrounds for racism for a start, I think, is a good way for someone to learn a lesson.

I think it's really funny how all of you think whites are the only racists in the world.

They're not, but a majority of US are white, and if we go around saying "asians are such big racists, them and them damn africans", then we're going to be seen as racist. We can only speak for ourselves.