Buying countries.

[LazyDrunk]

Would it be ethical for one country to "buy" another?

Example:

US: "Hey Mexico"
Mex: "Hey"
Us: "Wanna be a part of the United States? We'll give you 2 billion dollars."
Mex: "okay."

Thoughts? Questions?

[Poiiytt]

If the population agree why not !

The people must make their choice and we must respect them.

[Montgomery-Scott]

wait, that doesn't mak sense, cuz then mexico would become part of teh US and the 2 billion would go back to us.

[LazyDrunk]

At 2/15/06 10:53 PM, Montgomery_Scott wrote: wait, that doesn't mak sense, cuz then mexico would become part of teh US and the 2 billion would go back to us.

It makes perfect sense >:(

At 2/15/06 10:51 PM, Poiiytt wrote: If the population agree why not !

The people must make their choice and we must respect them.

The power doesn't rest with the people. It rests with their government, whatever that may be.

[Poiiytt]

if the people cant choose its not ok... cause they should have the choice of their country no ?

[LazyDrunk]

At 2/15/06 11:02 PM, Poiiytt wrote: if the people cant choose its not ok... cause they should have the choice of their country no ?

They chose the dictator.

If he wants to be bought off to seel his nation to us, what's to stop him?

[TheTrueMrJack]

Why the hell not? Honestly, even if someone joined the US, they'd probably do it for funding to help further make thier contries grow.

And 2 billion aint that much when it comes to that kinda stuff.

[Trendwhore]

-LazyDrunk- are you ripping off?
Just wondering:
http://www.newground../topic.php?id=433758

[LazyDrunk]

At 2/16/06 02:26 PM, TrendWhore wrote: -LazyDrunk- are you ripping off?

Actually no, I never even opened his thread. I actually only get dig into topics made by certain people. Sorry.

Just wondering:
http://www.newground../topic.php?id=433758

That's kinda weird, cuz I'd made this topic after seeing something on TV where somebody made a joke about it.

The answer still elludes me.

[Jose]

Sorry, but we really don't want their country. It would take quite a bit more money to get it up to americas standard of living. It isn't possible.

[Trendwhore]

You probably saw the same show.

Anyways i don't think it would be ethical to buy a country. Especially USA buying Mexico because of the fact that Mexico alread have an inferiority complex towards te USA.

[Drah]

At 2/15/06 10:49 PM, -LazyDrunk- wrote: Would it be ethical for one country to "buy" another?

the US of A bought some island in the caribean from denmark.

[Trendwhore]

At 2/16/06 02:41 PM, drah wrote:

At 2/15/06 10:49 PM, -LazyDrunk- wrote: Would it be ethical for one country to "buy" another?

the US of A bought some island in the caribean from denmark.

True, Danish west indian islands, i think. But that was considered a colony by Denmark and i wasn't a whole country.

[Drah]

you could compare it to buying a country i think.

[Imperator]

is it ethical? hmmm, actually, compared to other ways we obtain land, yes, very much so.......

We bought Lousiana from the French.

It's a lot more ethical than using armed forces to coerce a country into giving up their territory, thats for sure......

I don't think it's even possible to buy an entire country, as that country would then cease to exist, who would the money go to? The government would cease to exist, so we wouldn't be paying (in your example), the mexican government. would it go to private individuals?

Let's just stick to the old fashioned way:

"Hey Mexico, you're part of the US now.."
"What?!?! HELL no!"
"Fine, we'll do it the hard way....."
*BANG**
"Say Uncle! Say Uncle!"
"oww! FINE, we'll be part of the US. Just let go of our balls!!"

It's seemed to work for a few millenia, might as well stick with what's not broken........

[LazyDrunk]

At 2/16/06 03:28 PM, Imperator wrote: It's seemed to work for a few millenia, might as well stick with what's not broken........

Except it is broken. The people won't stop fighting after they've lost.

Hi Palestine.

[mrmesswithmeanddie]

well thank god i live in england

[ratrat10]

This is just a rough guess but I'd say it'd cost around 94,500,000,000,000 billion dollars, not to meantion upgrading the living standard, education, complete retraining for policemen, military, doctors, nurses etc, landscaping, and rebuilding of nearly every building in mexico. It'd move the richest country atm to a 3rd world country.

[Seatbeltnazi]

At 2/16/06 03:28 PM, Imperator wrote: is it ethical? hmmm, actually, compared to other ways we obtain land, yes, very much so.......

We bought Lousiana from the French.

It's a lot more ethical than using armed forces to coerce a country into giving up their territory, thats for sure......

I don't think it's even possible to buy an entire country, as that country would then cease to exist, who would the money go to? The government would cease to exist, so we wouldn't be paying (in your example), the mexican government. would it go to private individuals?

Let's just stick to the old fashioned way:

"Hey Mexico, you're part of the US now.."
"What?!?! HELL no!"
"Fine, we'll do it the hard way....."
*BANG**
"Say Uncle! Say Uncle!"
"oww! FINE, we'll be part of the US. Just let go of our balls!!"

It's seemed to work for a few millenia, might as well stick with what's not broken........

Right...

Like if we really bought mexico, they would say hell no and fight back.
THEY WOULD BE THE LUCKIEST COUNTRY IN THE FUCKING WORLD!!
You dont see people climbing fences, swimming rivers, and attempting to evade horseback rideing, shotgun weilding, border patrols anywhere else do you?!

"HELL no!"

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 2/16/06 03:42 PM, -LazyDrunk- wrote:

At 2/16/06 03:28 PM, Imperator wrote:

Except it is broken. The people won't stop fighting after they've lost.

Hi Palestine.

Uhm what about the Mexican War, what got California and the rest of the Southwest without Incident.

Same with Hawaii and Texas, and the lands between the Appalachians and the Missipi.\

The only country that didn't work for us was the Phillipines.

We had to give that up.

[Politics]

At 2/15/06 10:49 PM, -LazyDrunk- wrote: Would it be ethical for one country to "buy" another?

Why would a country like the United States even want to buy Mexico? Presently, labor costs in Mexico are minimal, so American businesses get massive production cost savings. If the United States purchased Mexico, those savings would disappear because American working laws would be transferred to Mexico. Sure, they could always get the same labor from China, but that comes with increases shipping costs.

As for the ethics of buying another county, to make it morally right, you have a few things to consider. First you have to define exactly who actually owns the country; the people. So the money should go to the people of that country, not the leaders, as it would go to in a non ethical purchase. Next you have to consider the combining economic factors, which greatly complicates things, because amoung the factors mentioned in the above paragraph, exchange rates have to be calculated using both the original rate of that country, and the rate of the purchasing country, cultural clashes would take effect, further complicating things, and government reform would be necessary.

All together, factors like these not only makes determining ethics in practice difficult if not impossible, but leads to beuacratic debates and votes which could drag on for years. That is why such transactions don't take place, it's impractical, and shakes up endless new problems for the country.

[Demosthenez]

This reminds me of an episode from South Park.

Stan: How much to bring a whale to the moon?
Mexican: Que...200.
Stan: Million?!?!?
Mexican: Que...dal-lers (dollars, ya know, with like a Mexican accent.)

[Fucks-Funny]

At 2/16/06 06:07 PM, FAB0L0US wrote: This reminds me of an episode from South Park.

Stan: How much to bring a whale to the moon?
Mexican: Que...200.
Stan: Million?!?!?
Mexican: Que...dal-lers (dollars, ya know, with like a Mexican accent.)

Mexican: Si, Fly. Si.

[AapoJoki]

Certainly it would more ethical than taking a country by force.