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At 2/16/06 04:03 PM, MatthewTheLion wrote:
According to the Koran "disbeliever" means "anybody who isn't a Muslim"

Because you're an expert on Islam right? Have you even read the Quran, and that doesn't include hate sites.

The Qu'ran 2:111-2:112
[2:111] Some have said, "No one will enter Paradise except Jews or Christians!" Such is their wishful thinking. Say, "Show us your proof, if you are right."[2:112] Indeed, those who submit themselves absolutely to GOD alone, while leading a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord; they have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.*

Meaning anyone who belives in God will enter paradise.

The Qu'ran 2:117
[2:177] Righteousness is not turning your faces towards the east or the west. Righteous are those who believe in GOD, the Last Day, the angels, the scripture, and the prophets; and they give the money, cheerfully, to the relatives, the orphans, the needy, the traveling alien, the beggars, and to free the slaves; and they observe prayers and give charity; and they keep their word whenever they make a promise; and they steadfastly persevere in the face of persecution, hardship, and war. These are the truthful; these are the righteous.

It doesn't exclude every other religion than Islam, although some of that stuff is part of the five pillars.

The Qu'ran 2:62
[2:62] Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in the Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.

OH NO! NOT THE MUSLIMS!!

if someone said, "christians, you are fucking morons" i can guarantee it wouldn't be as shocking or insulting.

stop giving muslims special treatment!

At 2/16/06 06:14 PM, Noob-Antichrist wrote: OH NO! NOT THE MUSLIMS!!

if someone said, "christians, you are fucking morons" i can guarantee it wouldn't be as shocking or insulting.

stop giving muslims special treatment!

I've said it before, it's notokay to bash every in the liberal-handbook, but when it comes to whites, christians, business owners, and gun owners it's all fair game. They're nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. Tolerant, MY ASS!

But in all fairness no one gives a rip if you make fun of christians.

lewl

At 2/16/06 06:14 PM, Noob-Antichrist wrote: if someone said, "christians, you are fucking morons" i can guarantee it wouldn't be as shocking or insulting.

Quite contrary, I think if there were a yaafm about Christians in which he makes all the generalizations and false information as he had there would be uproar.

stop giving muslims special treatment!

We're not getting special treatment, if there were one about Hindu's or Buddhists I think there would be an uproar. Though, scientology I guess doesn't have alot of followers on NG.

And if we're talking about the cartoon's its not like other religious fanatics object to something like a cartoon. Some Hindu's are attacking card shops in India that sell Valentine's Day cards. http://news.bbc.co.u..uth_asia/1166055.stm

Personally? I thought it was pretty funny. It hit every religion. So if you are ofended, suck it up.

And, like Reginald said, if parts of your religion like to blow shit up, the rest of the world can make fun of you. Just like if you are the President and you cant talk so good, you get made fun of by Jay Leno and SNL and shit. Not all Southerners are white inbreds, but they are made fun of as such.

And really, if people die because of stuff like this, all that manages to happen is people remember, hey, maybe that picture of Mohammed with a bomb in his turban isnt sowrong. It hardens the image in peoples minds that much more.

At 2/15/06 09:29 PM, LadyGrace wrote: Um... seeing as how they had enough time to burn down the Danish embassy, burn their flags, shoot a few people, etc. That really leads you to believe they have an efficient police force? I guarantee you less than half of the rioters were arrested. I'd be fucking impressed if even 1/4 were arrested.

Your talking about the Damascus incident? The Syrians didnt try to help the Danes to much. I mean, what happens in Syria without the goverments consent or approval?

Nothing.

And lets not forget that the protestors were trying to attack the French embassy and were "miraculously" stopped by the police and army that time. Seems more than fishy to me.

Diplomatic staff were pulled out of Damascus because "Syrian authorities reduced their protection to an unacceptably low level", it said in an earlier statement.
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"The principle of diplomatic relations is that diplomats can work safely and the fact that this has been broken is extremely serious," Norwegian Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Stoere told a news conference in Oslo.

The US also criticised Syria's approach, saying it was "inexcusable" for such damage to be inflicted on diplomatic missions.
Link

At 2/15/06 08:13 PM, mackid wrote: I may be offended, but I'm not rioting. Just ranting.

Bullshit your offended. Your the fool who would have no problem if Israel decided to kill all Palestinians to secure themselves. Nice try bro.

At 2/15/06 08:57 PM, seventy-one wrote:

At 2/15/06 08:47 PM, Gunter45 wrote: A fucking cartoon, that's not something ANYONE should riot about.

N****r is just a fucking word, but I'll likely be beaten if I say it in a black neighborhood on a loudspeaker. Or if I put it in cartoon form deliberatly insulting Martin Luther King Jr.

And? So it's only OK to insult one group of people? We punish those who attack others. Freedom of speech means having the right to say what you want, as long as it's not slander or inciting violence. So maybe we should lay the hammer down on these rioters and maybe then we'd see some peaceful protest.

At 2/15/06 08:26 PM, LadyGrace wrote: Once again, what I don't understand is if any of these cartoons attacked Christians no one would be up in arms.

If there were a Yaafm in which he calls every Christian an abortion clinic bombing, child molesting, anti-homosexual, moron. There would likely be uproar. Besides, the movie doesn't only pertain to insult muslims, it insults religion in general, but focuses on muslims.

Or if you're talking about the Danish cartoons, well, that's something else entirely.

Do you realize how much the Christian religion gets slammed? I mean really? And there are never violent riots. We peacefully protest. Sorry the comparison failed.

The cartoons came out 6 MONTHS before the rioting. This isnt even righteous indignation anymore, it's cowardice, and terrorism. And alst I heard, wes kills the terrorists.

At 2/16/06 06:32 PM, seventy-one wrote:

Quite contrary, I think if there were a yaafm about Christians in which he makes all the generalizations and false information as he had there would be uproar.

Yep. We'd be raping women, kidnapping and killing all those unbelieving infidels who oppose Christ and his law.

At 2/16/06 08:34 AM, darklad wrote:
where in god allmighty did you think i said that from my post? which phrase, which letter did i type that you somehow interputed it to a message of soppurt to violance? i'm utterly baffled really

His arguement was that your religion was a peaceful one, you argued back saying that a proper translation of the koran pretty much ran contrary to that. Cadillac Clock said this:

I'm guessing it still contradicts with the original comments of never commiting murder.

Then you said this:

ya, pretty much

Thus confirming that your religion preaches violence. Then when he said this:

I read an english translation. Which was further explained by a Muslim who I'll admit was trying to convert me rather than teach me.

You said this:

look, english translations NEVER work, don't take it from anybody, the qurans miracle was it outwrote every poet in arabia, even i need somebody to clear things up for me and arabic is a first langauge to me, read the explanations of the quran if your still interested, NOT the translations

Essentially confirming that english translations of the koran that make it look peaceful are wrong.

At 2/16/06 05:46 PM, 1WingedDragon wrote: Thanks for giving me the portal address, mackid. I gave it a 5 and 10 on the review! Awesome flash!

I gave it a 5 as well. I like his speaking of his mind, but it is slightly offensive.

At 2/16/06 04:05 PM, MatthewTheLion wrote:

At 2/16/06 03:54 PM, mackid wrote:

At 2/16/06 03:41 PM, MatthewTheLion wrote:

At 2/16/06 02:56 PM, AnkhX100 wrote:

Leviticus 20:13
That passage was about the killing of Homosexuals and anyone engaged in same-sex activity.

That was the law for the Israelites back then.

Not according to, oh, every rabbi I've talked to.

If any Israelite commited these things, it was the law that they be put to death.

Wrong. The stoning of children who talked back to their parents (or insulted them) never actually occured. In fact, a sanhedrin (Jewish court) which sentenced a person to death more than once in a period of 70 years was considered particularly brutal.

At 2/16/06 06:32 PM, seventy-one wrote: Quite contrary, I think if there were a yaafm about Christians in which he makes all the generalizations and false information as he had there would be uproar.

No, actually, I don't believe there would be. Hell, I don't have to believe shit, the evidence is clearly already on Newgrounds, just take a look here:

http://newgrounds.co..ection/religion.html

The VAST majority of those flash are aimed squarly at insulting Christianity. And don't come back with some shit about this only pertaining to YAAFM, because some of them there are MUCH worse than that. Here, infact, I'll hit you up with a few of the more offensive ones:

http://newgrounds.com/portal/view/53
http://newgrounds.com/portal/view/1545

Actually, I can't be bothered typing them all up, there are far too many. And would you look at that, neither Newgrounds, nor a US embassy has been threatened or firebombed by hardcore Christians as a result, no "uproar" was made.

At 2/16/06 08:34 PM, Laminated wrote: http://newgrounds.com/portal/view/53
http://newgrounds.com/portal/view/1545

Both of those have reviews by Christians calling it offensive. They're no exception. But if there were a YAAFM: Christians that got unflagged there would likely be threads about it, and arguments as well.
I personally wouldn't have heard about YAAFM: Muslims if there weren't threads about it.

Actually, I can't be bothered typing them all up, there are far too many. And would you look at that, neither Newgrounds, nor a US embassy has been threatened or firebombed by hardcore Christians as a result, no "uproar" was made.

No one blew up a US embassy for YAAFM.

People do realize that there has been a three day riot in Pakistan because of this.

Three days.

Hell the Rodney King beating didn't even get this long.

At 2/16/06 08:56 PM, seventy-one wrote: No one blew up a US embassy for YAAFM.

Internet muslims are different form the real deal :)

At 2/16/06 09:08 PM, -LazyDrunk- wrote:

At 2/16/06 08:56 PM, seventy-one wrote: No one blew up a US embassy for YAAFM.

Internet muslims are different form the real deal :)

Yeah, the guy will probally get some wierd computer virus.

At 2/16/06 09:09 PM, Tal-con wrote:

I think it's simply horrible that YAAFM12 wasn't flagged and deleted.

Why? I found it funny. I find most religous jokes funny even if they insult mine.

At 2/16/06 10:42 PM, Tal-con wrote:
The author made absolutely no distinction between regular muslims and insurgents among other things, it was simply offensive.

It's comedic license and/or simple exaggeration. That's what makes us "Haha" instead of " :( ". Otherwise, what would differentiate it from the 6:00 news?

Humor people, it's what bad people lack.

I bet quite a few people on this bbs do find some things around newgrounds offensive....but who here is actually going out to protest about it?

At 2/16/06 08:17 PM, JerkClock wrote:

His arguement was that your religion was a peaceful one, you argued back saying that a proper translation of the koran pretty much ran contrary to that. Cadillac Clock said this:

actually no, he argued that we don'y condem murder, i argued that we do, it's the other way around

ya, pretty much

i told him ya, we condem murder

Thus confirming that your religion preaches violence. Then when he said this:

how is giving him a sura condeming murder makes my relegion preaching violance?

I read an english translation. Which was further explained by a Muslim who I'll admit was trying to convert me rather than teach me.

Essentially confirming that english translations of the koran that make it look peaceful are wrong.

no tanslation of the quran makes it look violant, you got this whole thing mixed up, read it again, slowly or something. Unless your pulling my leg, then good for you....

At 2/16/06 06:32 PM, seventy-one wrote:

At 2/16/06 06:14 PM, Noob-Antichrist wrote:

stop giving muslims special treatment!

We're not getting special treatment, if there were one about Hindu's or Buddhists I think there would be an uproar. Though, scientology I guess doesn't have alot of followers on NG.

And if we're talking about the cartoon's its not like other religious fanatics object to something like a cartoon. Some Hindu's are attacking card shops in India that sell Valentine's Day cards. http://news.bbc.co.u..uth_asia/1166055.stm

Hindus and buddhists don't blow up shit, they've got probably the most peaceful religions around these days.

There are NONE buddhists who terrorise around the world, BUT there are probably without a doubt asians who do.

Islam cannot be compared to any religion. Religions are supposed to be peaceful... when there are millions of terrorists who kill people for their religion, you can't say muslims are a peaceful bunch.

Are there christians who blow up shit? NO.

Everybody said towards the YAAFM that muslims are not a race, well did the YAAFM guy say that?

Some people consider muslims as a race because their mostly arabs and their doing terrorism FOR their religion. I haven't heard of a white who is muslim, and maybe there are some, i really fucking doubt there are many.

At 2/17/06 01:08 AM, darklad wrote:

actually no, he argued that we don'y condem murder, i argued that we do, it's the other way around

That's exactly what I've been saying you dunce. Do you have the reading comprehension of an 8-year old?

I meant to say exactly, "the opposite", uh, typos.

At 2/17/06 01:35 AM, JerkClock wrote:

At 2/17/06 01:08 AM, darklad wrote:

actually no, he argued that we don'y condem murder, i argued that we do, it's the other way around

That's exactly what I've been saying you dunce. Do you have the reading comprehension of an 8-year old?

ok fine, seems i suck at english or something, but i will remind you it is a second langauge to me, anyway, from what i understood he said we don't discoarge and ban murder, so i said we do discoargae and ban murder, doesn't condem mean speak against? seems like a mix up, sorry

At 2/17/06 01:34 AM, DrunkenNinjer wrote:
Hindus and buddhists don't blow up shit, they've got probably the most peaceful religions around these days.

There are NONE buddhists who terrorise around the world, BUT there are probably without a doubt asians who do.

First item This essay This one INVOLVES Muslims This one is Hindus vs Catholics
Buddhist violence, but not really a good source. All the facts check out though
Buddhist bombing

Are there christians who blow up shit? NO.

Wikipedia
Abortion clinics

Some people consider muslims as a race because their mostly arabs and their doing terrorism FOR their religion. I haven't heard of a white who is muslim, and maybe there are some, i really fucking doubt there are many.

12 million in the US alone not enough for you?

Yes. He went waay too far.

No one is learning anything from that cartoon, its just serving to provoke the (however unjustified is a matter of opinion) hatred.

At 2/17/06 12:41 PM, T-H wrote: Yes. He went waay too far.

Anyone familiar with the YAAFM series KNOWS the star of the show is going to be ripped on. If muslims are allowed the benefit of using "they knew it would make us mad, arg" as a proper argument, then people should've known beforehand that whatever Walrusz puts out is going to be "offensive".

Honestly. I've seen flash games here where you play a muslim, and gotta saw off the americans head before time runs out.

ohp-kyle changed his alias, otherwise I'd link it.

No one is learning anything from that cartoon, its just serving to provoke the (however unjustified is a matter of opinion) hatred.

It made me laugh :/

At 2/15/06 08:13 PM, mackid wrote: I do defend the Walrus's right to post YAAFM 12: Muslims because I believe in free speech, and he's not inciting violence from those who dislike Muslims but only from Muslims. I may be offended, but I'm not rioting. Just ranting.

Strange if your defending his right to say what he wants, that it doesn't incite violence from people holding prejudice against muslims and that it only attacks the people hes deliberately aiming his opinion at i cant see a point to your thread since you've sorta given both sides of the argument off the bat.

Yall are a bunch of PC bitches. Seriously. EVERYONE IS MADE FUN OF. Muslims dont get any special ticket when they decide to burn down a fuckin embassy over a cartoon and then think no one will say anything. Great, it may be a small minority doing this. It may be a lot of them. Who cares. EVERYONE IS KNOCKED ON.

Now all of yall get your balls out of your asses and stop acting like such bitches. Its a friggin YAAFM and every religion was made fun of. EVERYONE. Members of Islam have overreacted to something, so they are getting knocked for it. Tough shit. Deal with it. Dont want to deal with it? Stop the crazies, loud and vocally seperate yourselves from them (I havent seen it, whether if its cause the media doesnt let it happen or it hasnt ben to loud and vocal) otherwise shut the hell up.

I know how many of you Muslims must feel, probably like you are pretty fuckin persecuted now but I have a hard time giving a flying fuck when an embassy was burned down and people have died and rioted over a fuckin cartoon, even if it is against your religion for people to draw the Prophet. I never thought it was appropriate (mainly because it was in a public newspaper) but the reaction more than made up for the image.

And, as being a non-Muslim, I can draw the Prophet doing whatever the hell I want. If its smoking a doobie, riding a donkey to Damascus, throwing a baseball, burning an American flag, its my prerogitive. Your fuckin rules of your religion dont apply to me.

At 2/16/06 09:05 PM, Fenrus1989 wrote: Hell the Rodney King beating didn't even get this long.

I could see smoke over Los Angeles for a week when I lived there when I was young.

Im willing to bet Rodney King was about the same size.

At 2/17/06 02:22 AM, darklad wrote:

ok fine, seems i suck at english or something, but i will remind you it is a second langauge to me, anyway, from what i understood he said we don't discoarge and ban murder, so i said we do discoargae and ban murder, doesn't condem mean speak against? seems like a mix up, sorry

Actually I'm saying that because you confirmed what cadillac clock said, you admitted to condoning murder. Wether or not this was your intention is moot, because the violence comming from your country speaks for itself. You may condemn murder, but your fellow countrymen do not.

At 2/17/06 11:57 AM, x_Toadenalin_x wrote:

Wikipedia
Abortion clinics

The Catholic church did do some stupid shit.