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At 2/15/06 09:38 PM, seventy-one wrote: After the Danish embassy in Beirut was burnt over 200 people were arrested, and the interior minister resigned. Though, out of a thousand protesters...at least they tried.
http://news.bbc.co.u..dle_east/4684250.stm

Well, looks like Grace was right, less than a quarter were arrested.

At 2/15/06 08:09 PM, mackid wrote: Ok, that's it! I'm PISSED THE FUCK OFF ABOUT THIS! THE NEW YAAFM (YAAFMS USUALLY BEING FUNNY) IS JUST OFFENSIVE. While it may be true that if the Muslim extremists stop blowing themselves and other people up, then the Danes won't print offensive (to Muslims) cartoons, I find it highly unconcionable for "Reginold" to call all Muslims "fucking morons." I am certainly indignant about this. Thoughts?

Oh, by the way, here's the link for YAAFM 12: Muslims.

YAAFM 12: Muslims

$10 says if someone was complaining about a flash insulting christians you would say something along the lines of "Get a sense of humor"

At 2/15/06 09:41 PM, Gunter45 wrote:

Well, looks like Grace was right, less than a quarter were arrested.

the police killed several people as well, tear gas, beatings, and water canons. Where the hell do you think they would keep them if they arrested even a fifth of them? they would over run every prison seeing how hundereds of thousands came out to protest, what can the goverment do? it doesn't even have the suffiecent police force to counter, and even if it did the people's anger would shift to the goverment if it pushed it's luck and stepped out of line.

i wouldn't say that what he says on the cartoon is all right, but i do agree with the end.
you don't punch someone on the face and expect them to smile at you. they're gonna hit you back. deal with it.

At 2/16/06 12:19 AM, CadillacClock wrote:

They've proved the Danish cartoonist to be correct.

and the danish cartoonist proved muslims right, westerners didn't, and don't like/respect us, both ways really

Please, don?t give me any tripe about not knowing the meaning of the Koran. I have read and studied the Koran. Murder is not condoned, nor is the destruction and pain of others.

lol, then what is " la taakudou nafsan hurmat min allah" say exactly? or did you just totally miss that?

The Muslim community could have taken the higher route. Took a note from the methods of Ghandi and proved the Danish media wrong. However, they did not and I agree with a few of the things said in this flash.

that flash is just stupid really, just trying to get "in your face omg" feel

the creator of that flash is....a fucking moron. in that it isnt the muslims that are terrorists, it is a terrorist group that follows its own beliefes that separated from the muslims calls Al-qeda (spelling?)

though he does have the freedome to speak.
he is showing is ignorants in that flash about the muslims. people that feel the muslims are the terrorists are ignorant of it. if anyone feels that way here that they are the terrorists, dont bother quoting me because i wont have anything to do with you.

At 2/16/06 12:56 AM, CadillacClock wrote: darklad, I have no idea what you said, so I'll take a crack at it any ways.

I'm guessing it still contradicts with the original comments of never commiting murder.

ya, pretty much

I read an english translation. Which was further explained by a Muslim who I'll admit was trying to convert me rather than teach me.

look, english translations NEVER work, don't take it from anybody, the qurans miracle was it outwrote every poet in arabia, even i need somebody to clear things up for me and arabic is a first langauge to me, read the explanations of the quran if your still interested, NOT the translations

At 2/16/06 01:01 AM, darklad wrote:

look, english translations NEVER work, don't take it from anybody, the qurans miracle was it outwrote every poet in arabia, even i need somebody to clear things up for me and arabic is a first langauge to me, read the explanations of the quran if your still interested, NOT the translations

So you DO believe in violence then?

At 2/16/06 03:13 AM, JerkClock wrote:

So you DO believe in violence then?

where in god allmighty did you think i said that from my post? which phrase, which letter did i type that you somehow interputed it to a message of soppurt to violance? i'm utterly baffled really

At 2/16/06 12:44 AM, Shin-Tenshu wrote: the creator of that flash is....a fucking moron. in that it isnt the muslims that are terrorists, it is a terrorist group that follows its own beliefes that separated from the muslims calls Al-qeda (spelling?)

Looks like you and alot of others fell into the trap.

though he does have the freedome to speak.
he is showing is ignorants in that flash about the muslims. people that feel the muslims are the terrorists are ignorant of it. if anyone feels that way here that they are the terrorists, dont bother quoting me because i wont have anything to do with you.

So your saying you'll hide from question and cower in the face of opposition?

Anyway you all seem to have fallen into the trap he doesn't believe that all muslims are terrorists hes just trying to trick you into making it look like he was right and to get some contraversy going. Hes like a spammer hes making stuff up to offend people.

And i bet a lot of you were laughing at the scientologists one or the George Bush one and those gay magicans. Its not funny when they go after you is it. And he did make a point about how they were proving the Dane cartoons right.

well, atleast I found that toon funny, and muslims CAN be fucking morrons. We all know. People are what they do not what they are.
One cannot be dumb, one can only act dumb

At 2/16/06 12:12 PM, TwO_FaCeD_PaRaNoID wrote: well, atleast I found that toon funny, and muslims CAN be fucking morrons. We all know.

They certainly can be. The cartoon was, however, offensive. I found it funny, but it was clearly intended to be controversial and spark debate.

People are what they do not what they are.

This isn't even English

One cannot be dumb, one can only act dumb

You, on the other hand, can do both.
If I had an IQ of 30, that would make me dumb whichever way you looked at it.

People are what they do not what they are.

This isn't even English

WOAH REALLLYY so now im gonna cry my guts out in a corneer...

hey wait IM NOT EVEN ENGLISH YOU DUMBASS, ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE INSECURE ABOUT THEIR INTELLIGENCE WOULD REFER TO "GRAMMAR MISTAKES"

And i don't care if it is offensive, Black metal is also supposed to be offensive, and i listen to it, even though i am christian

At 2/16/06 12:19 AM, CadillacClock wrote: Murder is not condoned, nor is the destruction and pain of others.

"Fight and slay the pagans (infidels) wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war." (Sura 9:5)

"Their punishment is...execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from the opposite sides, or exile from the land." (Sura 5:33)

"Prophet, make war on unbelievers and hypocrites, and deal rigorously with them." (Sura 9:73)

"Let not the unbelievers think they will ever get away... strike terror into the enemy of God and your enemy... rouse the faithful to arms! If they (the non-Muslims) incline to peace (accept Islam) make peace with them." (Sura 8:59)

"If they reject your judgment, know that it is Allah's wish to scourge them for their sins." (Sura 5:49)

At 2/16/06 02:24 PM, TwO_FaCeD_PaRaNoID wrote:

People are what they do not what they are.

This isn't even English

WOAH REALLLYY so now im gonna cry my guts out in a corneer...

Sorry, didn't mean for you to take it the wrong way, I was just asking you to restate what you said, and trying to be funny about it. I apologise if I offended you. I did not mean to imply you were not just as capable of mature discussion as I was.

Incidentally, your profile should read 'gynocologist'.

And i don't care if it is offensive, Black metal is also supposed to be offensive, and i listen to it, even though i am christian

I didn't say anything like that. I said it was offensive, but it was supposed to be. Just because something is offensive, does not mean it is automatically hateful

At 2/16/06 02:24 PM, TwO_FaCeD_PaRaNoID wrote:

People are what they do not what they are.

This isn't even English

WOAH REALLLYY so now im gonna cry my guts out in a corneer...

hey wait IM NOT EVEN ENGLISH YOU DUMBASS, ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE INSECURE ABOUT THEIR INTELLIGENCE WOULD REFER TO "GRAMMAR MISTAKES"

And i don't care if it is offensive, Black metal is also supposed to be offensive, and i listen to it, even though i am christian

You are not making yourself look any better. Typing in all caps and going into childish name calling only makes you look like more of an idiot. Please, refrain from spouting your uneducated opinions in the future.

At 2/16/06 02:37 PM, MatthewTheLion wrote: Anti-Islamic gibberish

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. they must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

That passage was about the killing of Homosexuals and anyone engaged in same-sex activity.

Psalms 79:6: "Pour out thy wrath upon the heathen that have not known thee, and upon the kingdoms that have not called upon thy name."

Killing of nonbelievers.

John 8:44: "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

Jesus calling Jews the "sons of the devil"

Exodus 20:5-6 "Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments."

That calls for the punishment on grandchildren and children of a sinner

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."

It justifies rape.

Anyways, despite all this hateful stuff in the Bible, I don't see Christians as vicious and evil people, so take that to mind when you're basing accusations to Muslims by using the Koran

It's funny how people misinterpret the Quran and the Bible.

sure it must be offensive, then again he makes a valid point about all the jesus,Americans and whatever else insults not causing protests.

At 2/16/06 02:56 PM, AnkhX100 wrote:

Leviticus 20:13
That passage was about the killing of Homosexuals and anyone engaged in same-sex activity.

That was the law for the Israelites back then.

Psalms 79:6:
Killing of nonbelievers.

That was not a commandment from God.

John 8:44:
Jesus calling Jews the "sons of the devil"

Jesus was calling the hypocritical Pharisees the "sons of the devil".

Exodus 20:5-6
That calls for the punishment on grandchildren and children of a sinner

God will be the one who delivers judgment on those that hate Him.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29
It justifies rape.

Once again, the Israelites.

Anyways, despite all this hateful stuff in the Bible, I don't see Christians as vicious and evil people, so take that to mind when you're basing accusations to Muslims by using the Koran

I love liberals.

At 2/16/06 02:37 PM, MatthewTheLion wrote:

At 2/16/06 12:19 AM, CadillacClock wrote: Murder is not condoned, nor is the destruction and pain of others.

"Fight and slay the pagans (infidels) wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war." (Sura 9:5)

"Their punishment is...execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from the opposite sides, or exile from the land." (Sura 5:33)

"Prophet, make war on unbelievers and hypocrites, and deal rigorously with them." (Sura 9:73)

"Let not the unbelievers think they will ever get away... strike terror into the enemy of God and your enemy... rouse the faithful to arms! If they (the non-Muslims) incline to peace (accept Islam) make peace with them." (Sura 8:59)

"If they reject your judgment, know that it is Allah's wish to scourge them for their sins." (Sura 5:49)

Your sources are shit. You're probably copying from some far right christian website.
Here's the Suras from an ISLAMIC source (http://www.masjidtucson.org/quran/)

Sura 9:5 : "[9:5] Once the Sacred Months are past, (and they refuse to make peace) you may kill the idol worshipers when you encounter them, punish them, and resist every move they make. If they repent and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), you shall let them go. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful."

5:33] The just retribution for those who fight GOD and His messenger, and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter. (Ok, this one is true, but all it means is that if you commit criminal acts, then that happens, not by saying "Islam sucks.")

[9:73] O you prophet, strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern in dealing with them. Their destiny is Hell; what a miserable abode! (Disbelievers is a reference to those who are not believers in a single God, not to Jews or Christians. But that's still not very nice.)

[8:59] "Let not those who disbelieve think that they can get away with it; they can never escape." (It doesn't say "kill nonbelievers.")

[5:49] You shall rule among them in accordance with GOD's revelations to you. Do not follow their wishes, and beware lest they divert you from some of GOD's revelations to you. If they turn away, then know that GOD wills to punish them for some of their sins. Indeed, many people are wicked.p

The Quran says this in terms of dealing with Christians and Jews:

[5:57] O you who believe, do not befriend those among the recipients of previous scripture who mock and ridicule your religion, nor shall you befriend the disbelievers. You shall reverence GOD, if you are really believers.

It's ok to befriend Jews and Christians, as long as they don't fight or make fun of you.

[5:51] O you who believe, do not take certain Jews and Christians as allies; these are allies of one another. Those among you who ally themselves with these belong with them. GOD does not guide the transgressors.
(Those are the people mentioned in 5:57)

[5:69] Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the converts, and the Christians; any of them who (1) believe in GOD and (2) believe in the Last Day, and (3) lead a righteous life, have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.

[5:73] Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is a third of a trinity. There is no god except the one god. Unless they refrain from saying this, those who disbelieve among them will incur a painful retribution. (and I agree with this one...)

At 2/16/06 03:41 PM, MatthewTheLion wrote:

At 2/16/06 02:56 PM, AnkhX100 wrote:

Leviticus 20:13
That passage was about the killing of Homosexuals and anyone engaged in same-sex activity.

That was the law for the Israelites back then.

Not according to, oh, every rabbi I've talked to.

Psalms 79:6:
Killing of nonbelievers.

That was not a commandment from God.

It wasn't. He's right. Killing nonbelievers is NOT something God would say.

Exodus 20:5-6
That calls for the punishment on grandchildren and children of a sinner

God will be the one who delivers judgment on those that hate Him.

Pretty much.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29
It justifies rape.

Once again, the Israelites.

Yeah...no. Deuteronomy 22:28-29 says that if you find an unmarried virgin, you can hit on/date her if she wants to, have sex with her if she wants to, and then marry her. That's about it.

Anyways, despite all this hateful stuff in the Bible, I don't see Christians as vicious and evil people, so take that to mind when you're basing accusations to Muslims by using the Koran

I love liberals.

The Bible's not hateful. I'm a liberal and I know the Bible isn't hateful.

At 2/16/06 02:37 PM, MatthewTheLion wrote:

"Fight and slay the pagans (infidels) wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war." (Sura 9:5)

yes, part of this is true, but most is misinterputed, he was telling them about a war they would wage

"Their punishment is...execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from the opposite sides, or exile from the land." (Sura 5:33)

made up, never heard of

"Prophet, make war on unbelievers and hypocrites, and deal rigorously with them." (Sura 9:73)

this is true, but the "unbelievers and hypocrites"are the one's that hurt the muslims first and drove them to exile to flee their harrasments and torture, from mekkah to maddina, and the one's that played as ally's and turned to traiters in the end, they gave them many chances for peace but they always stabbed them in the back, he was warning them of retrusting

"Let not the unbelievers think they will ever get away... strike terror into the enemy of God and your enemy... rouse the faithful to arms! If they (the non-Muslims) incline to peace (accept Islam) make peace with them." (Sura 8:59)

yes, the ones that attacked muslims, kufar, from kureish, that kept trying to destroy islam, that once given the option to leave islam alone and islam would leave them alone and rejected

"If they reject your judgment, know that it is Allah's wish to scourge them for their sins." (Sura 5:49)

yeah, god will deal with them with his own ways in the end

At 2/16/06 03:49 PM, mackid wrote:

(Disbelievers is a reference to those who are not believers in a single God, not to Jews or Christians. But that's still not very nice.)

Wrong.

According to the Koran "disbeliever" means "anybody who isn't a Muslim". That includes Christians, Jews, Hindus, Catholics, Buddhists, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, Satanists, Atheists, Agnostics, Deists, Secular Humanists, Transcendentalists, and so on.

At 2/16/06 03:54 PM, mackid wrote:

At 2/16/06 03:41 PM, MatthewTheLion wrote:

At 2/16/06 02:56 PM, AnkhX100 wrote:

Leviticus 20:13
That passage was about the killing of Homosexuals and anyone engaged in same-sex activity.

That was the law for the Israelites back then.

Not according to, oh, every rabbi I've talked to.

If any Israelite commited these things, it was the law that they be put to death.

At 2/16/06 03:41 PM, MatthewTheLion wrote: That was the law for the Israelites back then.

And yet it is still used to justify many homophobic rhetoric said by Right-Wing Christians

That was not a commandment from God.

John 8:44:
Jesus calling Jews the "sons of the devil"

Jesus was calling the hypocritical Pharisees the "sons of the devil".

The Pharisees were a sect of Judaism (as you may know), and at this time majority of Jews (except the Jews following Jesus or other self-proclaimed "messiahs") followed the Pharisees (Pharisees were later to give rise to Rabbanic Judaism).

God will be the one who delivers judgment on those that hate Him.

Yay!

Once again, the Israelites.

Funny how you can deflect that passage off to the Israelites, since the Ten Commadments were given to them, so do you follow them?

I love liberals.

Hey! Turning the other cheek I see! Hallelujah!

At 2/16/06 04:14 PM, AnkhX100 wrote:

At 2/16/06 03:41 PM, MatthewTheLion wrote: I love liberals.

Hey! Turning the other cheek I see! Hallelujah!

Are you going to smite me or not?

At 2/16/06 04:18 PM, MatthewTheLion wrote: Are you going to smite me or not?

Nah. Smiting is so 16th century...

At 2/16/06 04:03 PM, MatthewTheLion wrote:

Wrong.

According to the Koran "disbeliever" means "anybody who isn't a Muslim". That includes Christians, Jews, Hindus, Catholics, Buddhists, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, Satanists, Atheists, Agnostics, Deists, Secular Humanists, Transcendentalists, and so on.

uhhh...what? a non believer is anybody who doesn't believe in the abrahamic relegions, their are many chapters that talk about jesus and moses in the koran, and say how muslims must protect and respect these faiths, through all your qoutings and seemingly great knowlage about the quran that you can boldly say this, you must have at least read it let alone study it more than reading a couple of stupid explanation on the internet right? doesn't seem so, one of mohammeds wifes was a christian, and the quran is based of the bible and the torah also, you seem to make shit up to prove your points or something

At 2/15/06 08:09 PM, mackid wrote: Ok, that's it! I'm PISSED THE FUCK OFF ABOUT THIS! THE NEW YAAFM (YAAFMS USUALLY BEING FUNNY) IS JUST OFFENSIVE. While it may be true that if the Muslim extremists stop blowing themselves and other people up, then the Danes won't print offensive (to Muslims) cartoons, I find it highly unconcionable for "Reginold" to call all Muslims "fucking morons." I am certainly indignant about this. Thoughts?

Oh, by the way, here's the link for YAAFM 12: Muslims.

YAAFM 12: Muslims

Thanks for giving me the portal address, mackid. I gave it a 5 and 10 on the review! Awesome flash!