All Races Are Equal??

[X-Anger-X]

Civil rights is supposed to make people of all races equal. Sounds good. But what happened to the equal part? If you look at whats going on, it seems one race is getting an unfair advantage over the other...?

Black history month - I dont see a white history month, or a yellow history month? Forcing us to learn about another race is like saying "This race is better, lets read about them" If your going to say, oh.. they were slaves, they deserve to be read about and understood, then what about the fucking indians? wheres native american month?
Black colleges - How is this at all equal? I Thought civil rights were supposed to try and end segrgation? Wheres my white college?
Black Entertainment Television - Once again, wheres my white television, or yellow television??

How can this be considered even remotly correct? Im not racist, dont get me wrong, but by making us all equal, your giving blacks the right to be racist, and overlooking it because they are a "minority." How about affirmative action? Give somone a job because they're not white... hmmm. Seems racist to me. People think you cant be racist if your black. People are wrong.

[Altarus]

I would say that some of these things are meant to celebrate black culture, which is somewhat different than white/mainstream culture. For instance, being a student at a very diverse college, I see posters all the time that advertise types of parties that are popular in the Middle East. Yet, it would be irrational to conclude that these are racist. A rational conclusion would be that people from Middle-Eastern countries have a distinct culture from the mainstream white culture. There is nothing racist about that; they merely want to do things in the way that they are used to / have grown up liking.

But as for affirmative action, yeah, that actually is borderline racism.

[X-Anger-X]

points taken but why is it racist if a white television channel pops up, or people try to celebrate white pride?

[X-Anger-X]

why should they be given special treatment? they want to be equal! give them the basics then drop them on the playing feild. Everythings equal, they just have to work for what they want.

[DaRKNeZz1]

It's in rememberance of slavery idiot. To remind people what happened and to set a dent in history so it can not be repeated.

Eat shit and die.

[X-Anger-X]

darknezz if that were true there would be a native american month you fucking moron. we slaughtered them, not enslaved, thats a little worse i'd say. why dont you open your mind to certain subjects instead of shooting it down because its not politically correct to talk about. Stop being a little bitch and learn to accept things arent always as good as they seem.

[jmaster306]

They are all based on the assumption that without these measures, african americans would not recieve equal treatment. In order for races to be equal, they need to have equal opportunities, equal pay, etc. This is the theory behind things such as affirmative action. Now I do believe that many of these race centered actions had a purpose, I see less need for them now.

[X-Anger-X]

these laws and groups arent helping to make things equal, its just helping to change the label minority from one race to another. whites are becoming the minoritys. and i guess everyones fine with that but me. fine then, lets become the minoritys. who gives two shits.

[jmaster306]

At 2/12/06 03:34 AM, X_Anger_X wrote: these laws and groups arent helping to make things equal, its just helping to change the label minority from one race to another. whites are becoming the minoritys. and i guess everyones fine with that but me. fine then, lets become the minoritys. who gives two shits.

In the 50's and 60's where much of this movement started, the KKK was one of the most powerful political organizations in the united states. While only a few radicals still hold onto the KKK image it shows two distinct things.

1) The KKK and the subsequent human rights movement was not just paved by societal changes, it was changed through extensive legislative and judicial work. To simply remove all of that support structure would logically cut down some of the equality of african american community.

2) The people that supported the KKK organization are not all gone. By virtue that there are a reasonable number of people still in this world that actively hate african americans just for being black, there is still an inherent racial inequality in our nation today.

As for the general notion of whites becomming the minority, your right it doesn't fucking matter. The only reason to fear being a minority is if you believe the majority will use their weight against you. If you believe in equality and believe that it is actually a good thing, the who has the most numbers should be irrelivant. I'm sorry to say this, but anyone that fears loosing the majority in race fatally misunderstands what it means to have racial equality.

[X-Anger-X]

the point of this post was to discuss whether or not there really is racial equality, not to show that i thought there was, and later on made it seem like i misunderstood it. Racial strength in numbers has already happened. california for instance. All of its white population got pushed to the north because mexicans and blacks flooded the southern towns and cities. No offense to any race on this forum.

[ReiperX]

I understand the original reason for afirmitive action, it was to level the playing field, but its been 40+ years, I think the playing field is able to be about as even as its going to get.

[The-Dran]

What races? Humans comprise of one race, sapiens.

Caucassian, Negroid, and Mongoloid are not human races. They are too closely related.

[MagicalPJ]

At 2/12/06 04:39 AM, X_Anger_X wrote: the point of this post was to discuss whether or not there really is racial equality, not to show that i thought there was, and later on made it seem like i misunderstood it. Racial strength in numbers has already happened. california for instance. All of its white population got pushed to the north because mexicans and blacks flooded the southern towns and cities. No offense to any race on this forum.

The whites moved because they got scared of all the "ni**ers and spicks" moving into their neighborhood. Ever heard of "The Great White Flight?" A completely irrational fear of the "new" people moving into their neighborhood compelled large numbers of whites to move, mostly to the suburbs.

Anyways, here's my take on Affirmative Action. Yes, slavery ended 141 years ago. What was the result? We took millions of black people who literally had nothing and we gave them freedom. What else did we give them? Not a damn thing. As a result, many, if not most, we forced to become share-croppers (if you don't know what that is you can wikipedia it). Southern white folk weren't exactly thrilled that there were all these free black people running around. Not to mention they were still incredibly poor. Therefore, most of them could never afford to get an education and many remained illiterate as a result. How convenient is it then, that Southern states began requiring citizens to take written tests in order to be allowed to vote? Guess who wasn't allowed to vote because of that. In fact, that didn't change until 1965 with the Voting Rights Act (though there were a much higher percentage of blacks that could read by this point).

Fast forward to 50's & 60's. By this point a large number of black families have moved to the North, but a large majority remained in the South. The racial divide was still so great that the Jim Crow laws remained in effect until the Supreme Court forced the South to do away with them in 1954. I'll skip the whole segregation speel and go right to Affirmative Action. It had it's beginnings in 1961 and evolved significantly over time (and in many ways, it still is). The number of blacks to receive degrees in college increased by approximately 300% from 1960 to 1965. Why? Because universities couldn't give BS reasons for not admitting black people into their school anymore.

Move on to more recent years. There began to be more and more accusations that Affirmative Action was basing admissions almost solely on meeting racial quotas. Maybe some of you remember this: In 2003, there were two seperate cases brought against the University of Michigan in the Supreme Court. Grutter v. Bollinger and Gratz v. Bollinger. In both cases the plaintiff argued that they were denied admission over a lesser qualified applicant and that the lesser qualified individual was only chosen because they were a minority. The Grutter v. Bollinger case was won by the U of M. The Court ruled that race could be used as a criteria in the addmissions process and that it didn't violate the 14th amendment. The Gratz v. Bolligner case, however, was won by the plaintiff. The court ruled that U of M's point-based undergraduate admissions policy took race into account numerically was too mechanical and unconstitutional. As a result of these two cases, race can be a factor in addmissions, but the determining factor.

I, personally, don't think Affirmative Action has yet run its necessary course. I do concede, though, that you could make a strong argument against that. I at least hope that I've shown why it was necessary in the first place.

[MagicalPJ]

Correction to my second paragraph: It should read "Were forced to become share-croppers" not "We forced to become share-croppers"

[AtomicTerrorist]

there is a black history month because they were persecuted and enslaved

[MagicalPJ]

Dammit! One more correction, second to last paragraph, last sentence: "race can be a factor, but NOT the determining factor"

NG needs edit button >=(

[The-Dran]

At 2/12/06 11:58 AM, AtomicTerrorist wrote: there is a black history month because they were persecuted and enslaved

Answer me this, why isn't any other ethnic group ever appreciated enough or talked about during "their" history month?

Like the Native Americans, Hispanic and Latinos, Asians, or anyone else for that matter.

During black history month you have this superiority thing on nearly every channel during comercial break or doing a TV show, which can be shown when Febuary is all over with. The legal black history month is all throughout that one month, but the official black history month extends from the middle of January all the way to the end of March. It's more like black history season than black history month.

But do you have the same thing for the hispanic people, Native Americans, Asians, or other people that are of a minority? Hell no.

Most of my brothers and sisters think on black people are the people that are actually suffering. And they don't give a damn about anyone else. Even the fact that the popular black way of acting was originally used by the Mexicans. I'm not surprised if rap and R&B was originally Mexican as well.

Get what I'm saying?

[Shadic-1]

At 2/12/06 01:34 AM, X_Anger_X wrote: Black history month - I dont see a white history month, or a yellow history month? Forcing us to learn about another race is like saying "This race is better, lets read about them" If your going to say, oh.. they were slaves, they deserve to be read about and understood, then what about the fucking indians? wheres native american month?

It's because it's the shortest month of the year. And if Spanish people play their cards right, theyll get February, "and black people will have nothing but cinco de negro." -I forgot his name.

Black colleges - How is this at all equal? I Thought civil rights were supposed to try and end segrgation? Wheres my white college?

The state of Texas. The inbreeding backwoods of middle America. Several countries. You have your choice.

Black Entertainment Television - Once again, wheres my white television, or yellow television??

The WB and Fox.(Except there are some black people in Cops)

For the yellow television, There are several anime channels on DTV/sattelite, and anime on Adult swim, some shows in Asian Languages on DTV/sattelite as well.

[RedSkunk]

At 2/12/06 04:39 AM, X_Anger_X wrote: the point of this post was to discuss whether or not there really is racial equality,

Oh, well then – no, no there isn't. Just looking at economic indicators alone.

[X-Anger-X]

For the yellow television, There are several anime channels on DTV/sattelite, and anime on Adult swim, some shows in Asian Languages on DTV/sattelite as well.

not entirely true, what about that black anime style cartoon thats on there now, i cant remember the name, boondock somthing

[The-Dran]

There are mainly two breed groups in America, although you could say they are much more do to much diversity and mixing with Native Americans, hispanic, and white people.

Ghanoid - people of West Africa.

Negroid - people of Central and South Africa.

Basically anyone from any breed group is basically the same, but the roots to their society could be far different.

An example of a Ghanoid is Martin Luther King Jr.

An example of a Negroid would be those pimping, bad mouth African American people you see on the streets.

Ghanoid society mostly promotes respect and unity.

Negroid society mostly promote individuality and doing anything it takes to get ahead in life.

Thanks to the curse of the Ghanoids being so respectful and asking for unity with the Negroids, the image of a Negroid is oftenly stick on the face of a Ghanoid.

So a respectful and well sophisticated African American get treated like some immature and uneducated retard.

From the Boondocks, Riley makes a good example of a Negroid and his brother, Huey makes a good example of a Ghanoid. The grandpa by the way is sort of a mix of Huey and Riley, he wants to show class and be respected, but he also wants to do whatever he likes, without thinking of the consequences of his own actions, like a Negroid.

Ghanoids want to be respected and show they have class.

Negroids want to do whatever they like. The N word came from the Negroids as expected.

[Leftover-crack]

At 2/12/06 01:45 AM, X_Anger_X wrote: points taken but why is it racist if a white television channel pops up, or people try to celebrate white pride?

white pride? why not just have a month called cultural history month, where every races takes a good look at their race. but realy i believe we are all one race, even though I"m half black, I think black history month should be put to rest. and seriously everyone will think your racist if you say white pride.. seriously ..."YER WE ARE CELEBRATING WHITE PRIDE..this..this cross is just a t...for tolerance."

[Leftover-crack]

At 2/12/06 01:49 AM, X_Anger_X wrote: why should they be given special treatment? they want to be equal! give them the basics then drop them on the playing feild.

read up on history, as much as i hate to look int othe past.

Everythings equal, they just have to work for what they want.

ok never EVER say that, we have worked for so much, trust me we have, we NOW are getting special treatment, because in the past, we worked our ass's off and got litterally two cents for it.

dude, you gave us burned fields when you set the slaves free, BUT BEFORE TAHT YOU TOOK IT FROM THE NATIVE AMERICANS.....

[Leftover-crack]

At 2/12/06 03:34 AM, X_Anger_X wrote: these laws and groups arent helping to make things equal, its just helping to change the label minority from one race to another. whites are becoming the minoritys. and i guess everyones fine with that but me. fine then, lets become the minoritys. who gives two shits.

eventually the new generation will forget it all. what I think would be a great (or maybe a little bit radical) idea, is if we could "delete" everything that had to do with racism, i mena its sorta weird cause of the whole "if we don't learn from the past" shit, but really...I mean shit I think I had a good idea but ..oh well.

[Politics]

At 2/12/06 01:34 AM, X_Anger_X wrote: Civil rights is supposed to make people of all races equal. Sounds good. But what happened to the equal part?

There will never be equality. It's simply a goal, which people will try and get as close as possible to. Think of it as a flash's score on this site; they're will never be a flash that gets perfect 5, because there will always be that asshole who gives it a >5, thus lowering it just slightly below , but that doesn't stop people from shooting for a 5.

[X-Anger-X]

At 2/12/06 01:54 PM, DrinkDrankpunk wrote:

At 2/12/06 01:49 AM, X_Anger_X wrote:

dude, you gave us burned fields when you set the slaves free, BUT BEFORE TAHT YOU TOOK IT FROM THE NATIVE AMERICANS.....

sorry bud but im 15. i havent taken shit from anyone, so get that thought out of your mind real damn quick, and you werent around then either so i think thats not somthing you have the right to use for ammo.

[HighlyIllogical]

At 2/12/06 04:49 AM, ReiperX wrote: I understand the original reason for afirmitive action, it was to level the playing field, but its been 40+ years, I think the playing field is able to be about as even as its going to get.

Yup. And if we want it to be really equal, schools should be 50% men and 50% women, but in the US, by 2010, colleges are going to be 2/3 women at the current rate of increase in the percentage of women in colleges. But it's stupid to make it so equal...why not just let those who are QUALIFIED in without regard for race? If people are equal in qualifications, flip a coin or keep looking for something unique.

At 2/12/06 03:06 AM, darknezz1 wrote:

Eat shit and die.

Get a job.

[The-Dran]

At 2/12/06 06:07 PM, MatthewTheLion wrote:

At 2/12/06 03:06 AM, darknezz1 wrote:

Eat shit and die.

Get a job.

Darknezz1 doesn't understand that it isn't about slavery. It's just a dominance my people have over yours in the United States.

Does the United States do anything about the Native Americans, which have suffered more a thousand times more harsh than African Americans? No...

Or what about the Hispanic Americans which have suffered close to the extremes African Americans had to endure after slavery had stopped? No...

Or what about the Asian or Jewish Americans that had to suffer extremely as well? No...

And what about everyone else that had to suffer, like the Irish? No...

See what I mean?

[Papa-Smuff]

At 2/12/06 06:03 PM, mackid wrote: Yup. And if we want it to be really equal, schools should be 50% men and 50% women, but in the US, by 2010, colleges are going to be 2/3 women at the current rate of increase in the percentage of women in colleges.

Yeah my civics teacher was talking about that. Actually he said that was one of the main reason guys should try to get into college since there is like 60% girls in most schools. Which actually is good odds.

But it's stupid to make it so equal...why not just let those who are QUALIFIED in without regard for race? If people are equal in qualifications, flip a coin or keep looking for something unique.

I agree people should simply stop focusing on race. I dont see any difference between the races other then how they look. I think racial equality could only happen when no one would look at race as a factor for anything. So yeah that means getting rid of black only schools, and months.