Native self goverment

[Angryjeff]

I don't know if this is an issue in the states but it's a huge one here. I am SICK and TIRED of hearing about native self goverment all my life i ahve never understood why they think they "deserve" special treatment. What kind of intelligent person would belive that the goverment would just hand over control of a huge amount of land, let those ppl govern it themselves, but continue to support them?? I want to go up to every single person who says that natives should govern themselves, that french canadains should have seprate rights, that african americans deserve retribution etc... i want to go up to everyone of them and jsut smack em not because there a diffrent race but because they don't seem to understand that I DID NOTHING TO THEM, i ahve never owned a slave, i have never taken a natives land so why should I ahve to pay for the mistakes that the people who founded this country did, they weren't even my ancestors my family came here after that. What these people don't understand is that they were conquered, the white man came in with better weaponry and took over end of story thats war.

[IamjustSci]

I agree. I'm sorry, but what happened to your grandparents is no justification to take anything from the descendants of those that persecuted your ancestors. Get over yourself. The japanese reperations were justified because the ones persecuted were still alive. This slave reperation and native tribe lands and all...bullshit. Oh it should be my land, wah wah wah. You don't see England giving the Welsh any reperations do you? Hell, descendants of the Romans aren't getting any money from the Germanic nations are they? But...it was their rightful land, right? If you look it up, Africans had African slaves. Native Americans stole land from other Native Americans. NEITHER is right, but they're in the past and need to stay there, especially when the ones who were wronged are not here to recieve these "dues"

[NJDeadzone]

don't get me started with the Holocaust that destroyed 1/3 of my fellow people and countless others. What many fail to realize is that even though these Native nations within our nation are separate, they are still protected by the US government. It's a pretty sweet deal considering the genocide americans committed in the past. I'll never understand how people think two wrongs make a right. I find retribution for the slaves a pointless act based on getting back at whitey. How easily they forget that their brethren sold them off to the European Colonists way before America got its independence. How about they put their complaints with the countries of Nigeria, and all those other western African countries? Have you heard any African American admit that one to you? I have nothing wrong with African Americans. They are a staple of our culture today and their impact on society is twice as eventful as it was when they were enslaved. The sliver of this race that wants retributions embarrass themselves with the greed that only 1/6 of our population even had ancestors that held slaves.

[Angryjeff]

i'm going to assume your jewish from your first sentance, if so lets say that i don't know scaletail is a german, his grandfather was forced to fight for the nazis (as many people were), does scaletail owe u anything??? This is the mentallity of many people, the holocaust, well ANY war is a horrible thing but to want retrabution for something that did not personally affect you only your parents is absurd.

[RageMachina]

if they govern themselves, then we won't have to pay extra taxes here in canada so they can be freeloaders.

if they can have the responsibility to self govern, they can babysit themselves too.

[Ted-Easton]

We owe them nothing.
Hundreds of years ago, their land was bought taken, and now it is ours. What other civilization has given back land after it has been conquered.
Did Napoleon say, "oops, i took your land. here, have it back!". NO
They were a conquered civilization, and now they're whining about it. Get the hell over it and be glad you weren't killed or driven out.
God damn i hate whiners. "it's not fair, it's not fair". Get used to it.

[Hatchet-Rider]

Is it any justification to them if they lost THEIR land to YOUR nation and now that YOU have never stolen lands whipped slaves or hunted indians for sport, They only get little patches of CRAPPY ASSED DESSERT WASTELANDS where they survive by selling tobacco and gambling with CREEPS and SICK FUCKS like you and me who are blessed to be born privliged, Fucka, I'm going to POWERBOMB YOUR ASS if I see you in public!

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

Woah, let's calm down, I'd hate to see a savage powerbombing in the street over this.

I think that we need to see reality as it exists, and stop trying to make up for the unfariness at the expense of others. It's true, some people get head starts, but we shouldn't hate them for that, they didn't ask for the head start, they just lucked out.
I hate to say it, but it's about time for the 'reparation' people to grow up, no one cares about the injustices of the past. What people really care about is money, and the indians aren't doing what it takes.

When I drive out through the reservations, there is lush green farms, until you hit the border of the reservation, then it's barren, with a few indian huts and a little trading post where they sell turquoise jewlery and rugs.

Those are the successful indians. They just aren't doing what it takes to survive in the world, fair or not.

[Ted-Easton]

Juggalokilla, THEY didn't lose their land. Their great-great-great grandfathers did. And they're still whining about it.
If your great great great grandfather was robbed, would you expect the robber's desendant to repay you? No.
But perhaps that wasn't a great example, because our ancestors stole nothing. They conquered the natives through war, negotiation and purchase. They took all this land by those means, and made it theirs. Have any other conquered race in history been given free land? Life without taxation?. They don't deserve any special treatment. They're just trying to work the system.

[Slizor]

I think the Natives should do what most Natives do and start a fight for independence. Like the Irish and the IRA, they were a conquered people, but they fought for their land, as should the real Americans.

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

What do you mean by 'real' americans. My parents were born in the United States, as were my grandparents and my great grandparents, and great great grandparents. I think after about 6 greats, they were immigrants, but I haven't done my geneology that far back.

I wonder how many generations my 'people' have to have been living in the United states to become 'real americans'

I personally would like them to become independent. Less money out of my pocket. I wonder how long they would last before they come begging for help.

[Slizor]

What do you mean by 'real' americans.

I'm not sure, I don't keep up with politically correct terms. Which is why I used that.

My parents were born in the United States, as were my grandparents and my great grandparents, and great great grandparents. I think after about 6 greats, they were immigrants, but I haven't done my geneology that far back.

Heh, why is that a big thing in America? Especially since it's considerably harder. Mine geneology is easy "Potato farmer, potato farmer, potato farmer" or "miner, miner, shepard, miner".

I wonder how many generations my 'people' have to have been living in the United states to become 'real americans'

Give it a few more years, people will stop looking at you and thinking of you as a dirty immigrant.

I personally would like them to become independent. Less money out of my pocket. I wonder how long they would last before they come begging for help.

It depends what land you give them.