Illegal Marajuana ONLY

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

"I would like to see people against legalization post their best defenses of the war on marijuana.
Please include links to the studies, "facts, and all other resources if possible. If not, don't worry about it. "

This topic is ONLY for people who want marajuana to be illegal. DO NOT post in this forum if you think it should be legal. THIS IS NOT a debate forum. If you think marajuana should be legal, say it somewhere else. This is a place for all the pro-war on drugs people to get together, (maybe) form a logical argument, and be free from people posting "Pot is kewl, it shood be legle"

Thanks.

[MarijuanaClock]

The war on drugs is a stupendous faliure. See I didn't comment on why I think Marijuana Should Be Legal. I commented on the extreme waste of American tax dollars on the stupendous faliure that is the war on drugs.

People should be free to do whatever they want with there own bodies. Your choice is your choice, I can respect that. But don't seek to Limit MY Freedom. You live your life and let other people live Their Lives!

[MarijuanaClock]

At 1/7/03 06:20 PM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: THIS IS NOT a debate forum.

P-O-L-I-T-I-C-A-L F-O-R-U-M

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

This topic is ONLY for people who want marajuana to be illegal.

I have a lot of respect for you marajuanaclock, please read the first post.

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

See, the point of this topic was for all the anti pot people to get together and come up with a good argument.

Mr Easton seems to have realized that citing statistics won't do much good against a moral claim, that is why he made a previous topic to the same effect, which summarily got filled up with "I like pot" and "pot should be legal".

The problem is that half the pro-pot people are potheads, half of what's left just go on about how it's not unhealthy, and what's left can form logical arguments based on moral principles.

Ted_easton is obviously trying to find some good logical arugments for illegalization, and I think that we ought to help him in his attempt, because ultimately he will fail, and if his opponents help him in his attempt, it will make it easier for him to see the light.

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

Here's a starting argument for you guys,

Marajuana should be illegal because it hurts productivity of the mass populous, which in turn is a negative infulence on the economy, which in turn causes suffering. Marajuana is bad because people should be held accountable for the effects of their productivity on the country.

[TheloniousMONK]

Certainly, there are other practices that "hurt productivity of the mass populous," some even endorsed by the national government. But that is not the subject of this thread and this is a not a debate.

One of the most common arguments for prolegalization of marajuana is that people should be allowed to do to their bodies whatever they as long is it doesn't hurt other people. Quite frankly, your chance to do harm to other people is augmented drastically. Many crimes in America (I can't give you a statistic because there is no way to tell for sure) are commited while the criminal is drug induced. I know there are other activities, like I mentioned above, that increase your likeliness to do socially counterproductive activities.

The point is, since other things are legal that are not good for society, and this isn't, making this legal will not help. It's illegal because it is hurtful to you and anyone else around you due to the fact it lowers your ability to logically reason and therefore making you unable to use good judgment. Two wrongs don't make a right... in other words, legalizing it won't justify the legalization of other hurtful practices.

[Ted-Easton]

thanks for the help, Doc. reinforcements are needed at the front ;).
I see very good reasons for legalization, and I don't have any problem with people smoking it privately, but out in public and such will not only get them arrested, but offend others and harm them in the same manner.

[Ted-Easton]

Another reason for illegalization is the fact that this is a democratic country, and as much as British Columbia wants it, a majority of this country supports it's continued illegality.
It is because of the silent majority that all we seem to hear is pro pot arguments, as most people don't care enough to actually try to keep in under control.
But as a democratic country, what the masses want goes. And the masses want potheads to butt out.

[BIGBADjuggalo420]

pot is allready angaints the law wtf is going on here?

[BIGBADjuggalo420]

pot is allready angaints the law wtf is going on here?

[Red-XXV]

Personally, I'm for the legalization of marijuana, but not because I smoke it. I simply think the war has been lost. That's a major reason that some people call for pot's legalization, however, there's a downside to that view. IF marijuana were to be legalized, the pro legalization side says that it could be regulated to ensure "safety," costs would fall, making sure it was no longer a highly profitable enterprise, and that the US could spend the billions of dollars on stopping the "harder" drugs (heroin, crack, cocaine, etc). Thinking on that idea, though, one figures that if you take away marijuana as a profitable enterprise for people, they'll move on to importing the harder drugs instead. So instead of massive abouts of marijuana coming into the country compared to the harder drugs, you'll have everyone trying to import the harder drugs, thus flooding the market with even more dangerous drugs. The country will have more marijuana and more heroin and cocaine. And not even most pro legalization supporters want that situation.

[TheloniousMONK]

Red, that was the major problem of the prohibition. When the government outlawed alcohol, moonshiners and importers illegaly brought in alcohol, and the United States just simply couldn't stop them. Think of the whole drug industry as sand. The US government picks it up in a fist, and as they tighten, less sand falls through. However, sand will still trickle through, but at an exponentially smaller rate. But what happens when the government loosens its grip just to let the tiny black particles of sand through? It all comes gushing out. You loosen up on anything, and you're liable to have it all come through.

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

Even if something is impractical or difficult, that doesn't make it wrong. The losing war on drugs can't be used as a valid argument for legalization (unless you're a total pragmatist).

[Ted-Easton]

Even if we lost, we at least tried and accomplished something. (now i sound like a girl guide)