Human nature

[Angryjeff]

Take a nomral person, take off there expensive clouthes, the morals that have been drilled into there head about right and wrong, what do u have??? a hairless ape because thats what we really are were animals. We are natural born killers, dont belive me?? read your history text books every since recorded time man kind has been a race of killers waging war because of something as stupid as religious beliefs. If we really were so "enlightened" then how do u explain killing someone because they think gods name is allah??? How do u explain the slavery of an entire race becauses of there skin color?? No it wasn't because of miseducation it's because deep down everyone feels good being better than someone else, ask yourself if u ahd the chance to kill the one person u hate more than life itself (don't give me bs about liking everyone it's not true) and u wouldn't get in trouble no one would ever know..would you?? This idea about killing be "wrong" is a fairly new idea. Sure cold blooded murder has been illegal forever, but what about duels? THe idea of killing someone in a duel ment great honor for you thats right KILLING someone else over something like calling someones mother a whore would bring u honor. Nowadays u punch someone for that your called "violent" or "anti-social" no I call people that humans who ahve accepted what they are.

BTW i am not a murderer, i have never killed anyone, and i ahve never even been in a real fight, i am not alone many people are like this but that does not mean they still don't want to fight and win and have never felt like killing someone.

[Drimarki]

Overall, I agree that it is human nature to be violent. There are some parts in your writing that I needed to write my opinion.

Actually killing each other for religious belief is not stupid. They are all doing it in the name of God. They have believed in their religion so much, and they are doing everything in the name of God. So for them what they are doing is the rightest thing in the whole world. Wiping out the heretics have been considered holy, because the heretics doesn't accept the God, which is their most powerful leader. So killing each other because of different religion is nothing stupid. In fact it is a war that is likely to happen all the time.

Yes, I have this person in my school that I hate a lot. Every time I see him I look at him in disgust and every time I imagine myself killing him or expelling him from my school. So I guess I'm a human.

For the duel part, winning the duel did not always considered as honourable victory. A little bit of US History is about to be revealed for the example. During the Jeffersonian times, Aaron Burr challenged Alexander Hamilton for the duel because he stated that Hamilton insulted him. Aaron Burr has won the duel. However, instead of being honoured, he had to run away to the west. He has become a fugitive. So winning the duel does not always mean having great honour.

Instead, more better example would be war. Whenever anybody wins a war, the victor always has fame and honour. For example, after winning World War II, the allied forces gained great honour, because without them the world would be fallen under Hitler. However, Germany was torn, because they were losers. The military leaders of Germany were all hanged or imprisoned, also because they were losers. However, the military leaders of Allied forces were praised and got medals, because they were victors.

I agree that it is human nature to be violent, because there were countless numbers of wars and the victors of the wars were the people who got the most fame, which means that people accept the military leaders who succeeded.

[Ted-Easton]

At 1/7/03 04:11 AM, Drimarki wrote:
Actually killing each other for religious belief is not stupid. They are all doing it in the name of God. They have believed in their religion so much, and they are doing everything in the name of God. So for them what they are doing is the rightest thing in the whole world.

Actually, killing people because of tehir religious beliefs is stupid. Nearly every god currently worshiped by any large number of people on earth preaches peace and love and forgiveness.

Killing people because they don't worship the same God as you is going against yuor own god.
But then again, religions are notorious hippocrites.

[NJDeadzone]

religion is the opium of the masses

[Freakapotimus]

At 1/7/03 12:42 AM, Angryjeff wrote: it's because deep down everyone feels good being better than someone else

People are supposed to be proud of their acheivements, but not to the extent that others feel left out or discouraged. But that's just the way life it. Some people are better than others in certain things: at work, in school, in sports... It's what makes people different, and instead of celebrating the fact that Joe's the best baseball player and Jane's the smartest girl in math class, they try to "beat" each other. In a way, it's what drives us to excell.

[Drimarki]

At 1/8/03 10:36 AM, Freakapotimus wrote: People are supposed to be proud of their acheivements, but not to the extent that others feel left out or discouraged. But that's just the way life it. Some people are better than others in certain things: at work, in school, in sports... It's what makes people different, and instead of celebrating the fact that Joe's the best baseball player and Jane's the smartest girl in math class, they try to "beat" each other. In a way, it's what drives us to excell.

Yes...everybody wants to be better then anybody else. Because of this there are many sneering and cursing going around, just so that it could lower the achievements that they have done. It really reminds me of Nuclear Arms Race at 60's. United States and Soviet Union both wanted to have the best nuclear weapon, so they constantly made nuclear weapons that is better then what the other country has. Just what you said, the result was that the weapons became much more destructive, because in a way, it made the nuclear weapons to be better and better.

[Red-XXV]

At 1/7/03 05:03 PM, NJDeadzone wrote: religion is the opium of the masses

FYI: That's a bastardized quote. It's actually a paraphrase of two lines in Marx's "Contribution to the Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right." Few people apart from Philosophy and Political Science students have read this particular piece in its entirety, yet everyone seems to be a master of Marx's ideas because they can misquote a passage. If people are going to quote something, I wish they would check to make sure it's correct, especially if they're taking a phrase from the very people they claim to disdain. Were that popularized line to be updated, I bet it would read "Simplified catch phrases are the opium of the masses."

I'd much rather my enemies have a completely miserable life than be killed. Knowing their suffering would unfold and compound over decades would be much more enjoyable than simply knowing they were dead.

[Raptorman]

At 1/7/03 05:03 PM, NJDeadzone wrote: religion is the opium of the masses

Marx hadn't seen TV or the internet yet.

[PsychobillyClock]

At 1/8/03 04:57 PM, Raptorman wrote:

At 1/7/03 05:03 PM, NJDeadzone wrote: religion is the opium of the masses

Marx hadn't seen TV or the internet yet.

I'm sure he'd wish to cease existing if he saw it :)

[Freakapotimus]

At 1/8/03 03:44 PM, Red_XXV wrote: If people are going to quote something, I wish they would check to make sure it's correct, especially if they're taking a phrase from the very people they claim to disdain.

Since I've discovered the source, I've been noticing just how many people use the misquoted "money is the root of all evil." It's from the bible (I remember writing this in another post) and reads "Love of money is the root of all evil."

Before I quote, I try to find the source, so I can credit.

[Red-XXV]

Perhaps it's not human nature to be violent... maybe it's human nature to be lazy. It is much simpler to go with what other people say than to take the trouble to verify a quote. In instances where it is required to verify a quote (ex: law classes), I have no choice, but in a setting outside of that (ex: at the bar discussing politics with friends), making sure I have the quote right is a courtesy that I extend to the people I'm with.