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At 5/11/03 02:09 PM, Kenney333 wrote:

At 1/6/03 07:17 PM, jazz_mazter wrote: Simply by being gay you violate the very mandate of life, which is to live, populate, expand, and repopulate. That is nature, thus adversly, gay is not natural.

Mandate of life? ill stick to my own mandate thankyou, and if a man loves another man, that is completely their own business, and if nobody else will marry them, then maybe i should start my own church, : the chuirch of rationality and compassion

god i hate people

i will help you build that church kenney... to all those that oppose it what would you do if your child became gay/lesbian and wanted to get married?

I'd join that church.

Hope you don't mind if I never attend service.

If my child were gay/lesbian, I'd say "good for you".
It's not that important. If they want to be, let them.

At 5/12/03 07:14 AM, Ted_Easton wrote: If my child were gay/lesbian, I'd say "good for you".
It's not that important. If they want to be, let them.

Exactly. The government needs to stop thinking it can control the emotions and relationships of its citizens down to the level of saying who can be in love with whom.

Here's afun question for Christian homophobes.

If God is love how can he condemn a form of love without condemning himself?

why should we be the ones to determin their right to happiness?
What would you do if you suddenly fancied a member of the same sex? most people that try to defend their sexuality are usually the one who turn out gay, yes thats right...
how would you feel if you weren't alloud to marry the person you loved? if you were outcasted from civilisation for something as simple as your sexuality?
just take some time to think about it...

At 5/12/03 10:43 AM, Shih wrote: Here's afun question for Christian homophobes.

If God is love how can he condemn a form of love without condemning himself?

awsome shih i never thought of that great question...ted that is the best answer a parent can give their gay child.

At 5/12/03 10:43 AM, Shih wrote: Here's afun question for Christian homophobes.

If God is love how can he condemn a form of love without condemning himself?

I think youre getting sex and love confused here, Shih. Homosexuality is a sexual preference, not an emotional one. Love is an emotion. Therefore homosexuality is not a form of love, but a form of sex that does not produce offspring, making it, if not unnatural, then definitively uproductive. God says to be fruitful and multiply, and its hard to do that without heterosexual sex. Therefore, God cannot condone homosexuality without contradicting himself.

At 5/12/03 10:43 AM, Shih wrote: Here's afun question for Christian homophobes.

If God is love how can he condemn a form of love without condemning himself?

I think youre getting sex and love confused here, Shih. Homosexuality is a sexual preference, not an emotional one. Love is an emotion. Therefore homosexuality is not a form of love, but a form of sex that does not produce offspring, making it, if not unnatural, then definitively uproductive. God says to be fruitful and multiply, and its hard to do that without heterosexual sex. Therefore, God cannot condone homosexuality without contradicting himself.

At 5/12/03 02:09 AM, TheShrike wrote: So the guys like cock more than pussy.

So the girls like pussy more than cock.

So what?

I don't think that homosexuality could be considered a mental disorder based off of the religous-right arguement that "it's a choice."

How much of what we feel is truly a "choice"?

I think it can be considered a mental illness because it goes against the most deepest and most ingrained natural urge of all, that of procreation. All of nature is devoted solely to it, even survival itself is solely for the sake of the continuation of life and the creation of the next generation. Why do salmon die after they've spawned? Because their purpose has been fulfilled.

If an animal refuses to eat or loses the will to live, would we call that a choice? Much as we may want to believe otherwise, we are at heart still very animal. When our most basic purpose, to create and empower the next generation is not being fulfilled, then something is wrong and can only be described as such.

But is procreation the basic urge?
Possibly when we were neanderthol-like creatures, and we thought as a society, but for most of our existance, humans have been self-centered creatures.
We want to be good, or at least to feel good.
Wether that comes from being strong, powerful, having a harem of women, or having sex with a man, pleasure is the most basic instinct.

I would agree with you that an animal choosing to not eat is unnatural, but they are societal. We are a selfish, self-centred race who only want to feel good.

At 1/6/03 04:55 PM, calmius wrote: Because they're gay and marriage is for a man and woman.

Wow, you certainly summed that right up, dont you have arguments against if farther than "because their gay"? I Mean, you dont even explain why it is you dont feel that gays should marry. I am not gay, but I would like to point out one thing, how many gay rapists have you heard of?

Nark, I would take that back before someone mentions prisons.

At 5/12/03 03:27 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:

At 5/12/03 10:43 AM, Shih wrote: Here's afun question for Christian homophobes.

If God is love how can he condemn a form of love without condemning himself?

I think youre getting sex and love confused here, Shih. Homosexuality is a sexual preference, not an emotional one. Love is an emotion. Therefore homosexuality is not a form of love, but a form of sex that does not produce offspring, making it, if not unnatural, then definitively uproductive. God says to be fruitful and multiply, and its hard to do that without heterosexual sex. Therefore, God cannot condone homosexuality without contradicting himself.

So.... are you saying that gay people don't love each other, and only date for the sex? That would be doing a whole lot of generalizing...

Oh, and for Jimmy-
"Prisons."

nark do the terms prison rape mean anything to you not mention its happened at summer camps and even the church is doing it pedophile is rape i wont even mention incedents in the armed forces...funk are you saying that their is no love in gay relationships becuase if so why the fight to be able to get married in peace if its just sexual many gay/lesbian people are also looking for a life partner as heterosexual people do they not have the right to choose whomever to be that person...awhile back the america saw interacial marriages as unatural its the best argument to be used in explaining why someone doesnt have the right to choose his or her happiness...fuck unatural satelites are unatural.

The rape that has been known to occur within prisons, etc. is not a result of sexual preference. If that were true, then a majority of men incarerated would have to be gay.
It is a result of depreivation of alternatives. You're locked up for two decades, no women, no sex. You've got two alternatives.

One-masterbation. Oh, that's reeeaaal appealing. Especially when you're being watched in your cell by a dozen guards.

Two-homosexual acts. You're not homosexual, but it's a point of release. You fancy women, but if men make you feel better while you're locked up, so be it.

It's not a matter of orientation, but instead a matter of availability. If they were to shower/incarerate men and women together, you would undoubtedly find a large number of raped, pregnant women.

At 5/12/03 03:27 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:

At 5/12/03 10:43 AM, Shih wrote: Here's afun question for Christian homophobes.

If God is love how can he condemn a form of love without condemning himself?

I think youre getting sex and love confused here, Shih. Homosexuality is a sexual preference, not an emotional one. Love is an emotion. Therefore homosexuality is not a form of love, but a form of sex that does not produce offspring, making it, if not unnatural, then definitively uproductive. God says to be fruitful and multiply, and its hard to do that without heterosexual sex. Therefore, God cannot condone homosexuality without contradicting himself.

So are you saying being homosexual has nothing to do with love? Gay Partners don't love each other...they just want to be get married so they can have sex?!?

I feel that at the beginning religion was pure but like always man has to have some type of control over everything. Man realized the power of faith and that they could reform religion to fit their views and followers would follow due to their faith. God teaches us to love, accept our fellow man and be true to ourselves...homosexuality is not a choice therefore we must accept our fellow man for being true to himself

Yo yo yo yo yo, peep d'is, y'all. Dis is some FUCKED UP shit 'bout da gay brotha's and sistas, y'all. Now, some a you HOMOPHOBIC muthafuckas probably be da punk-ass bitches dat ALSO be dissin' da NIGGAS like da H-DAWG a coupla hundred years back or so. Just cuz I is black and beautiful, doesn't make me any less a human being, y'all. And what da FUCK is da muthafuckin' difference between some arbitrary COLOUR n'shit and some arbitrary SEXUAL PREFERENCE, y'all? Can't we all get along? I mean, if those a you punk-ass homophobic bitch-ass muthafuckas had gone to university yet, y'all, like da H-Dawg, and taken some gender studies courses, you would KNOW what da good Dr. Judith Butler be sayin' about dis shit: dat widout some made-up language of GENDER, you don't got any way ta label BIOLOGICAL SEXUAL DIFFERENCE, y'all. Therefore, there is no difference, dig? In other words, we had to make up tha category, or the "norm" of heterosexual sex before we could say it was normal to begin wid'. Thus, it is as "made up" or as much of a "choice" as homosexual sex is. So they're both just as real. It just depends on who is da "MAN" enforcin' his own muthafuckin' POWER TRIP AT DA TIME, y'all. Now, I too was once an ignorant muthafucka bout all dis gender issues theory n' shit, but after I found out dat my main man Lamar, who had just saved my punk-ass in a rumble when I caught a couple a punk-ass bitches blowin' kisses at two a my girlfriends wid-out axin' da H-Dawg permission, was actually a GAY BROTHA, I had to step back and give him some respect. Cuz I had no idea, and I had to admit, he beat da shit outa dat punk-ass girl-friend-lookin-at piece a crap. So I says, live and let live, y'all. H-Dawg, OUT. (And DON'T y'all be FREAKIN' on me cuz I ain't no muthafuckin' homophobe, y'all, else I'll send my main man LAMAR and da FDA crew to BEAT yo punk-asses! Dig?)

Why do people hate gays, anyway? Is someone else's sexual preference a threat to them? What exactly are they afraid of, anyway? Maybe if a gay person hits on them, they might cave and take them up on it and enjoy it? Do they think homosexuality is contagious? How fucking ignorant can you get?

I don't think that gay people should be able to marry. Maybe they should be off on some island on some part of the ocean which is unnavigatable.

At 5/13/03 01:00 PM, cannibal7878 wrote: I don't think that gay people should be able to marry. Maybe they should be off on some island on some part of the ocean which is unnavigatable.

that is the stupidest thing i heard thats like saying jews should be secluded and put away in camps...

uh, yeah, I didn't even mention the "jews", so lets leave them out of this, do you think that you can manage that nitrous? Or have you fried your brain from all that wacky tobaccy? Anyways, being homosexual is clearly unnatural, and wrong, that is why they feel the need to hide in the closet. They know inside that it is wrong. If my kid ever turned out to be gay, I would disown him.

tell me this is for the sake of the debate Cannibal.

At 5/13/03 12:35 PM, GnarlyCar wrote: Why do people hate gays, anyway? Is someone else's sexual preference a threat to them? What exactly are they afraid of, anyway? Maybe if a gay person hits on them, they might cave and take them up on it and enjoy it? Do they think homosexuality is contagious? How fucking ignorant can you get?

OOh! BURN!

I love that. That was great. I feel myself regaining hope in humanity because of this post. Not much hope, mind you, but enough so that the rest of my day will be a little better.

At 5/13/03 01:13 PM, cannibal7878 wrote: If my kid ever turned out to be gay, I would disown him.

That gives new meaning to the phrase "parental love".

At 5/13/03 12:28 AM, PreacherJ wrote:

At 5/12/03 03:27 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:
I think youre getting sex and love confused here, Shih. Homosexuality is a sexual preference, not an emotional one. Love is an emotion. Therefore homosexuality is not a form of love, but a form of sex that does not produce offspring, making it, if not unnatural, then definitively uproductive. God says to be fruitful and multiply, and its hard to do that without heterosexual sex. Therefore, God cannot condone homosexuality without contradicting himself.

So.... are you saying that gay people don't love each other, and only date for the sex? That would be doing a whole lot of generalizing...

whoa..... not so fast there, silver! I love my brother, but I dont fuck him, do I? Anyone can love anyone else, as far as I'm concerned. At worst, homosexuality is as bad as alcoholism. At best, its people who have just a little bit TOO much love to go around. Im sure you have lots of same sex friends that you love, as do I, but that has nothing to do with whether or not were homosexual, does it? Homosexuality is all about sex, and love or the lack thereof has nothing to do with it. I love my dog, but I dont fuck him, do I?

At 5/13/03 01:46 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:
whoa..... not so fast there, silver! I love my brother, but I dont fuck him, do I? Anyone can love anyone else, as far as I'm concerned. At worst, homosexuality is as bad as alcoholism. At best, its people who have just a little bit TOO much love to go around. Im sure you have lots of same sex friends that you love, as do I, but that has nothing to do with whether or not were homosexual, does it? Homosexuality is all about sex, and love or the lack thereof has nothing to do with it. I love my dog, but I dont fuck him, do I?

Alright, now that I better understand your opinion, I see your point, which is a valid one (on the premise of homosexuality being based strictly on sexual preference, indeed, that's it's very definition). As for your dog, well... I'll leave that to the spy satellite photos to determine.

At 5/13/03 09:18 AM, Nirvana13666 wrote:

So are you saying being homosexual has nothing to do with love? Gay Partners don't love each other...they just want to be get married so they can have sex?!?

It is fully possible to have a lifelong bond with a member of the same sex (ex. bestfriend). In days past one might engage in a ceremony of "blood brothership" to a member of the same sex. Homosexuality is a sexual preference, and has nothing to do with love. If two homosexuals are lucky enough love each other enough to form a lifelong bond, they probably would have been best friends if not for the coincidence of homosexuality.

Homosexuals cannot be married in the traditional sense because traditionally marriage occurs only between a man and a woman who intend to raise children. Homosexuals cannot have biological children with one another. While I am not against homosexuals having a life long bond and having a ceremony to cement this bond, calling such a relationship a "marriage" is a farce. Marriages are not for couples, they are for families. The mentality of love being the only purpose for marriage is probably the reason for the high divorce rate.

At 5/13/03 01:13 PM, cannibal7878 wrote: uh, yeah, I didn't even mention the "jews", so lets leave them out of this, do you think that you can manage that nitrous? Or have you fried your brain from all that wacky tobaccy? Anyways, being homosexual is clearly unnatural, and wrong, that is why they feel the need to hide in the closet. They know inside that it is wrong. If my kid ever turned out to be gay, I would disown him.

When you type, type in paragraphs. And use capital letters, maybe even a full stop or two...

Yes being homosexual is unnatural, so is having an IQ of 135+ For your clarification, my IQ is 135. Are you saying all us Mensans are unnatural and deserve to be shot?

If your kid turned out to be Mozart, would you disown him? Prodigy like Mozart is not natural. If you kid had Downs Syndrome, or was Ashmatic, or if he was 6'10'' tall, would you fucking disown him?

I'm so pissed off with the 'unnatural' argument. Nobody is perfect. Do you support a master race? Where everybody is Perfect? I tell you, it doesnt exist...

At 5/13/03 01:46 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: I love my brother, but I dont fuck him, do I? I love my dog, but I dont fuck him, do I?

I was under the impression you did. =P