Newgrounds.com — Everything, By Everyone.

At 5/15/03 11:33 PM, cannibal7878 wrote: LOL, ninja, and you jimmy boy make me laugh...as far as my age...guess it, I am older than you, and obviously more experienced than you. They way you defend gay people, makes me think that you are gay...I feel bad for you in a way, well maybe I don't. If I was gay, I would kill myself.

Why not do it anyways, to teach the gays a lesson.

And Jimmy, no I ain't normal...but I sure as hell ain't gay! The DAG are tough, we are your hate, anger, pain, sadness, we are everything...we are in everything...you cannot upset us, for we fuel all the fires that burn so radiently.

You may not be gay but you sure act like it, I mean come one whats with the fruity poetry crap.

At 5/16/03 11:13 PM, AmericanBADASS wrote: like i said let them marry and all die of aids.

If you can find a gay man who doesnt use a condom he seserves to die of aids. The odds of getting aids through anal intercourse with a person who has aids is 1 in 3, th odds of getting aids through vaginal intercourse witha person who has aids is 1 in 5. Thats not a big difference so dont think only gay people are succeptable to aids. Also, lesbeons have the lowest aids rates amoung any group of people (besides abstainers). This isnt the 90's anymore, not as many gay men have aids as you think.

When they found out about AIDS they did a really big ad campain in the 60's-70's saying "Use a Condom! Use a Condom!" and for about 10 years nobody had sex without one. What happened was the straight people eventually ignored it, having unprotected sex and one night stands more often and the gay community continued using them.

I challenge anyone to show me 1 credible piece of evidence showing that gay men have (as a percentage) a higher number of AIDS suffereers or carriers.

At 5/16/03 09:30 PM, Ninja_Scientist wrote: Like I said, if there are a few members of DAG who are intelligent, then what I said need not apply to them.

My main issue was that a couple of times I countered a DAG member's argument, or something. Then that person tattled on me to other DAG members. One of them even asked for their DAG friends to go and "get me back." That made me angry. If someone has an issue with me personally, then that's fine. But when they try to sich the rest of their group on me like a pack of wolves, then that's insulting. If I had insulted the guy personally, like "you suck" or "you're an ass," then that's different. But all I did originally was just try to counter their arguments. A few of them got mad or something, and then tried to get the other group members to pile on me. I'll admit that only a few really came to their aid, but Cannibal just happened to be the worst. The other few who came to their group members' aid, just did so by trying to contradict my arguments (which I respect ^_^), but Cannibal came in and just started to insult me. That's why I dished him out there.

But once again, if there are a few members of DAG that don't try to "follow the rest of their group," or try to back other members up just because they are also a part of DAG, then I respect them.

Really, thats Cannibals main job in the group. We all represent different sides of arguments. Sadly, Cannibals favorite is the blind hatred side. I just wanted you to see that while I might DA that side, real hatemongers are a lot harder to argue against. It feels good to hate people who you believe to be evil, despite what the government and media try to tell us. Thus hatred=good. But again, the same argument applies to homosexuality. To homosexuals, homosexuality feels good. That is the only argument for homosexuality I have ever heard that made any sense. But if a homosexual can argue with that kind of logic, then how do you shut out hatemongers who use the same? Riddle me this, Ghandi er, Ninja.

At 5/17/03 03:10 AM, bumcheekcity wrote: When they found out about AIDS they did a really big ad campain in the 60's-70's saying "Use a Condom! Use a Condom!" and for about 10 years nobody had sex without one. What happened was the straight people eventually ignored it, having unprotected sex and one night stands more often and the gay community continued using them.

Do some research. We didn't really know about AIDS until circa 1981.
Safe sex capaigns earlier this century were aimed at stopping the spread of Herpes, Clamydia, etc.

I challenge anyone to show me 1 credible piece of evidence showing that gay men have (as a percentage) a higher number of AIDS suffereers or carriers.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats.htm#exposure
Here's the table for those too paranoid to visit a government site.
#s are Male~Female~Total
Men who have sex with men 368,971 - 368,971
Injecting Drug Use 145,750 55,576 201,326
Men who have sex with men and inject drugs 51,293 - 51,293
Hemophilia/coagulation disorder 5,000 292 5,292
Heterosexual contact 32,735 57,396 90,131
Recipient of blood transfusion, blood components, or tissue 5,057 3,914 8,971
Risk not reported or identified 57,220 23,870 81,091

Well dont forget this one,

Women are becoming increasingly affected by HIV. Approximately 50%, or 19.2 million, of the 38.6 million adults living with HIV or AIDS worldwide are women.

And you must not forget that there are muuuucchh more gay people out there than meets the eye. Weather they are closet homosexuals or flamers they are becoming increasingly common, and as for the person who said let them all die of aids. Last time I checked gay wasnt spread to your children or else they would have died out a long time ago so that doesnt even make sense.

Another semi-interesting fact: After a poll it was revealed that 20% of Americans think that a cure/vaccine for Aids already exists. An the results were similar in european countries. Damn teenagers.

At 5/16/03 11:24 PM, cannibal7878 wrote: LOL...neo nazi? No, neo Satanist...demon possesed, gay hater...that is my opinion...am I wrong? Are you? Fuck it, if it feels good, do it...It feels good sticking the knife in...

*Wonders what cannibal does in his spare time with all those extra chromosomes*

At 5/18/03 12:21 AM, jimsween wrote: Well dont forget this one,

Women are becoming increasingly affected by HIV. Approximately 50%, or 19.2 million, of the 38.6 million adults living with HIV or AIDS worldwide are women.

That seems logical to me. Approx. 50% of adults are women and approx 50% of AIDS suffers are women. Was it lower 5 or 10 years ago?

And you must not forget that there are muuuucchh more gay people out there than meets the eye. Weather they are closet homosexuals or flamers they are becoming increasingly common, and as for the person who said let them all die of aids. Last time I checked gay wasnt spread to your children or else they would have died out a long time ago so that doesnt even make sense.

Does anyone know the actual percentage of gay men? I've got reports of anything from 1 to 10% of british men. Anyone know the real figure?

Another semi-interesting fact: After a poll it was revealed that 20% of Americans think that a cure/vaccine for Aids already exists. An the results were similar in european countries. Damn teenagers.

Wow. Some don't even know what a condom is. Stupidity of that kind amazes me. How can you not know what a condom is?

Im sorry for reviving such an old thread but this is only for ted and a comment he made,also i recall someone making a comment about animals not being gay or showing gay traits.

At 5/13/03 07:12 AM, Ted_Easton wrote: The rape that has been known to occur within prisons, etc. is not a result of sexual preference. If that were true, then a majority of men incarerated would have to be gay.
It is a result of depreivation of alternatives. You're locked up for two decades, no women, no sex. You've got two alternatives.

Although,true that still doesnt mean the sex is consentual.In fact i have read some of Michael Scarce's Male on male rape(Highly disturbing book)which reports on male sex violence among men in not only jails butmilitary organizations and fraternities.He interviewed 24 raped men and many contributed essays in the book.

In any given year 5 to 10 percent of all rapes in the us and uk are male victims.Virtually every study indicates that men rape other men out of anger or an attempt to overpower,humiliate,and degrade their victims than out of lust,passion,or sexual desire.Pg16

Insight books-(Plenum press)> plenum.com

It's not a matter of orientation, but instead a matter of availability. If they were to shower/incarerate men and women together, you would undoubtedly find a large number of raped, pregnant women.

There is no denying that there would still be reported cases of male on male rape.

This is for the person that made a comment about the non-gay ways of animals.
Yes animals in the wild engage in homosexual behavior.Males mount other males in more species than one can name,from elephants to hummingbirds.Not always resulting in penetration,but at times does like the american bison.Female pygmy chimps rub their genital together in a face to face position,Male bonnet macaques give eachother handjobs and often eat the resulting semen,1/3 of gay killer whale encounters involves incest,female kob perform oral sex on each other's vulvas with their forelegs.Even fetishes are discovered in the animal kingdom,female kobs at time parttake in an event where one female urinates while the other sticks her nose in the stream,Giraffes are extremely gay often engaging in male sex more often than women they have even been observed partaking in up to five male giraffe group sex sessions.Flamingos,penguins,and red squirrels sometimes form commited same sex relationships lasting years or a lifetime that involve sex,traveling together,living together,and raising young.
The male big horn sheep are "behavioral transvestites"
acting at times more like their female counter part.Red deer stags have been spotted ejaculating to the sensation of their antlers rubbing against vegetation,Cattle egrets have threesomes and Orangutans have been know to engage in heterosexual anal sex.

Saint martins press, Stmartins.com

It makes me incredibly depressed that there even has to be a post questioning the rights of Gays to love, marry, reproduce or adopot like the rest of the human race. Who the hell are we to tell another human being that they cannot participate in a loving, consensual relationship that brings to harm to anyone? Who am I to say "no you may not have a child because you are a lesbian and that environment would disturb the baby". What kind of bullshit is that? HELLO PEOPLE! We do not live in the fucking dark ages anymore.. I would hope that the human race would have developed far enough to realize that love does not have to be purely for the use of bringing together two people to reproduce. Don't we have a right to pursue hapiness in any way that doesn't harm another person?? I am disgusted with you ignorant barbarians. You make me absolutely sick, throwing around the word of God like you know what God really means or really wants for us. You have no idea! Keep your bigoted laws and fatally flawed logic out of the lives of innocent people!

I am not a religious person, but if there is a God who loves his creations, I am sure he wants them to lead full, happy lives with any partner they choose, regardless of the gender.

GAY RIGHTS FOREVER!

At 1/7/03 12:47 PM, calmius wrote: You're wrong!!! Overpopulation only happens in China, India, and Africa. In those countries there are almost NO gays. And even if there are there are very few.
In country like United States, Canada, and Europian countries there is NO overpopulation!!!

What the fuck does that mean, that china, india and africa are supposedly only overpopulated because there are in your opinion "almost NO gays"
So you think that the reason theres some space left in the US, Canada and Europe is because theres so many gay people running about not giving birth???

What in the hell are you talking about
Maybe this just went over my head, but im pretty sure there was just no thought put into this comment

Anyway, I think marriage is a sacred thing between a man and a woman, and it shouldnt be modernised, it doesnt need to catch up with our trendy wee little lifestyles

But this topic has strayed away from all that, its all about how being gay is wrong, by nature, by morals, by god

I really dont care, two consenting people of age and of the same sex can do what they want with and too each other

And whats all this talk about if animals do it, then its natural, should men run at each other and begin headbutting the fuck outta themselves to try and win over a woman, oh shit, they do that one already

At 5/30/03 03:50 AM, TheTio wrote: And whats all this talk about if animals do it, then its natural, should men run at each other and begin headbutting the fuck outta themselves to try and win over a woman, oh shit, they do that one already

Natural isn't necessarily right or good. Murder and AIDS are perfectly natural things.

As I said earlier, which no one chose to comment on and the people shouting "Gay Sucks" e-mailed me and told me 'OMG UR WRONG' without backing it up, this little essay of mine still holds up:

It is not the job of law to outlaw love. To say that two members of the same sex who are in love cannot marry is a complete abomination. To say that we have improved as a nation by allowing interracial marriages while still outlawing same-sex relations is an insult to every intelligent American in this country. What we are doing today to homosexual couples that wish to marry is no different - except to be worse - than what we did to interracial marriages when it became an issue in the 1950's and even well before that. This is all despite the fact that studies have shown same-sex couples stay together longer, on average, than heterosexual couples, and their adopted children are better cared for and less likely to do drugs or commit crimes.

As for Indiana, we are a state which allows same-sex "marriage". However, it is hardly a marriage at all. Even in the case that a same-sex couple endures the taunts and ranting of rednecks on their way to the court to be granted marriage, this couple can not legally be considered a married couple in the eyes of the law. The couple cannot co-sign on insurance papers, the census does not recognize same-sex marriages as a legitimate form of marriage, and the spouse is not elegible for a family insurance policy.

The old term "Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" is rapidly losing water as well. Recent advances in stem cells have given every redneck a new view of the world. Stem cells from two male mice were coaxed into becoming sperm and egg cells, which was previously thought impossible. These cells together fertilized the male mouse's egg, and resulted in a child being born to two parents of the same sex. This, I personally believe, should be available to same sex couples if they are denied adoption or wish to have their own, biological child.

It is my supreme hope that in my lifetime, same-sex couples can be recognized by the United States of America as a legitimate bonding between to people in love. After all, all men are created equal. Marrying someone of the same-sex makes you no less of a human being.

At 5/30/03 10:49 AM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: Beautiful piece of writing.

Thank you for that, Judge. That touched me, because it was so well put. :)

We'll only know perfect freedom when we're free to love anyone we choose.

My commendations as well, Judge.

A thought I had.

This is a suggestion for those that are either ambivalent on this subject, or those who live in an area that is very gay-friendly, and might not know just how hard the gay community has it in smaller, more rural areas.

The Laramie Project.

I was floored back when Matthew Shepard was murdered, but this play (now movie, as well) brought it into an entirely different light. I highly recommend renting the film version of the production...it's a diary of sorts by people who went to Laramie shortly after Matthew's death and interviews the people there, including friends, accquaintences, the boy that found him...

This drives home exactly why people like cannibal deeply disturb me. Two boys tortured Matthew, tied him to a fence in the middle of the Wyoming plains, and left him there to die. He was unrecognizable. And it was all because he was gay.

Everyone has the right to their opinion. I cannot deprive cannibal of that. I can, however, say it crosses a line when violence is threatened, or civil rights are blatantly taken away. I won't delve into that subject...Judge did it perfectly by taking the 'civil rights' angle, and making it very simply about love.

Laramie Project is great. That's all I can say about it.

At 5/30/03 03:57 PM, House_Of_Leaves wrote: A thought I had.

This is a suggestion for those that are either ambivalent on this subject, or those who live in an area that is very gay-friendly, and might not know just how hard the gay community has it in smaller, more rural areas.

The Laramie Project.

I was floored back when Matthew Shepard was murdered,

Poor Matthew Shephard...gee, he was gay...you people make me sick...you make fucked up disturbing flash like "Enter the Matrix", and worship people like Matthew Shephard...You all make me wanna fuckin puke.

At 5/31/03 12:13 AM, cannibal7878 wrote:

At 5/30/03 03:57 PM, House_Of_Leaves wrote: A thought I had.

This is a suggestion for those that are either ambivalent on this subject, or those who live in an area that is very gay-friendly, and might not know just how hard the gay community has it in smaller, more rural areas.

The Laramie Project.

I was floored back when Matthew Shepard was murdered,

Poor Matthew Shephard...gee, he was gay...you people make me sick...you make fucked up disturbing flash like "Enter the Matrix", and worship people like Matthew Shephard...You all make me wanna fuckin puke.

So not judging people and being tolerant of thier choices makes you want to puke? How can you excpect anybody to taker your opinion seriously when it is blinded with hatred, for gays of all people. Sounds like repressed rage from some sort of abuse as a child, or tragic event. You poor tiny man...

At 5/18/03 09:25 AM, bumcheekycity wrote:

At 5/18/03 12:21 AM, jimsween wrote: Well dont forget this one,

Women are becoming increasingly affected by HIV. Approximately 50%, or 19.2 million, of the 38.6 million adults living with HIV or AIDS worldwide are women.

That seems logical to me. Approx. 50% of adults are women and approx 50% of AIDS suffers are women. Was it lower 5 or 10 years ago?

This goes along with the gay thing too, this one is nationwide. The gay study was in certain high poulation area which is a perfect example of how statistics can be skewed.

And you must not forget that there are muuuucchh more gay people out there than meets the eye. Weather they are closet homosexuals or flamers they are becoming increasingly common, and as for the person who said let them all die of aids. Last time I checked gay wasnt spread to your children or else they would have died out a long time ago so that doesnt even make sense.

Does anyone know the actual percentage of gay men? I've got reports of anything from 1 to 10% of british men. Anyone know the real figure?

I heard 1 in 4 men, or maybe one in a family of 4.

Another semi-interesting fact: After a poll it was revealed that 20% of Americans think that a cure/vaccine for Aids already exists. An the results were similar in european countries. Damn teenagers.

Wow. Some don't even know what a condom is. Stupidity of that kind amazes me. How can you not know what a condom is?

"What is this, some sort of balloon"-quote bumcheekcity during health class.

At 5/31/03 01:46 AM, jimsween wrote:

Does anyone know the actual percentage of gay men? I've got reports of anything from 1 to 10% of british men. Anyone know the real figure?

I heard 1 in 4 men, or maybe one in a family of 4.

One in four? 25% of men? Nah, seems too high.

At 5/31/03 07:15 AM, bumcheekycity wrote:

At 5/31/03 01:46 AM, jimsween wrote:

Does anyone know the actual percentage of gay men? I've got reports of anything from 1 to 10% of british men. Anyone know the real figure?

I heard 1 in 4 men, or maybe one in a family of 4.

One in four? 25% of men? Nah, seems too high.

Yeah seems way too high. I mean I know hundreds of people and only like 2% are homosexual. Maybe the other 23% are deliberately hiding their sexual preferences, only to go rape a sray cat when noone is around. But that wouldn't be the exact definition of beging gay, I guess.

At 5/31/03 09:39 AM, antiqkk wrote:

One in four? 25% of men? Nah, seems too high.

Yeah seems way too high. I mean I know hundreds of people and only like 2% are homosexual. Maybe the other 23% are deliberately hiding their sexual preferences, only to go rape a sray cat when noone is around. But that wouldn't be the exact definition of beging gay, I guess.

The exact definition is preferring to sleep with men rather than women, i believe. Cats do not come into it.

At 5/31/03 04:49 PM, bumcheekycity wrote: The exact definition is preferring to sleep with men rather than women, i believe. Cats do not come into it.

I am aware of that. But as it was said, the number of 25% sounds too high. Unless most of them hide the fact they are gay, and go for little male cats during the night, so as not to provoke any rumours, I believe the number should be lower than 25%

You know what I've learned?

When someone is homophobic to the point of being violent, it tends to mean it hits too close to home.

Cannibal. I'm sorry if you're not comfortable enough in your own sexuality to accept other people's sexuality and choices. That makes me sad for you.

That you assume I 'worship Matthew Shepard' is ludicrous. I disagree with all hate crimes, no matter what they're about. Violence motivated by hate is terrible. I have a feeling you're upset because I spoke only of a hate crime against a gay man.

Is this thread about racial discrimination? No.

Is this thread about discrimination againt women? No.

Is this thread about antisemitism? No.

Is this thread about GAY PEOPLE? OMG YESH! IT IS!

Therefore I talk about GAY PEOPLE! When you make a thread about hate crimes againt black people, women, Jews...I'll talk about all of those. But for now, I think I'll be a rebel and stay on topic.

Sheesh.

At 5/31/03 07:15 AM, bumcheekycity wrote:

At 5/31/03 01:46 AM, jimsween wrote:

Does anyone know the actual percentage of gay men? I've got reports of anything from 1 to 10% of british men. Anyone know the real figure?

I heard 1 in 4 men, or maybe one in a family of 4.

One in four? 25% of men? Nah, seems too high.

Maybe in Britan, but I suppose it's regional too. I dont think there would be too many Homosexuals in texas.

At 5/31/03 08:41 PM, jimsween wrote: Maybe in Britan, but I suppose it's regional too. I dont think there would be too many Homosexuals in texas.

Can anyone get the figures for whichever country has the highest percentage of gays?

At 1/6/03 04:55 PM, calmius wrote: Because they're gay and marriage is for a man and woman.

fuck you, you fucking homophobe!
>: (

I'm all for gay marriage. It won't affect me, and it will get people to shut the fuck up about it.

Relegating gays to a second class citizenship by denying them the right to a civil ceremony is nothing but a religious intolerance. Whenever you ask someone why they are against it, their answer falls into one of two categories:

A: 'It isn't natural" - This has been thoroughly debunked by nature. There are gay and bisexual animals.

B: 'God says it's wrong.' - Guess what? Muslims believe alcohol is wrong, Amish believe electricity is wrong, Jewish people believe pork is wrong. All of those are legal here in America, the country of 'religious tolerance.' Take your belief system and live by it, by all means. Just don't foist it off on everyone else.