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At 2/4/06 09:15 PM, Dark_Dennis92 wrote: From my point of view the leaders in iraq, syria etc. are using islam to try to conquer the world and that means the Korean (their response to the bible) is like their Mein Kampf novel. And that scares the shit out of me, because who knows?

/D.v.B.

Korea was a response to the Bible and like Mein Kampf, Iraq and Syria and Etc are trying to take over the world, and it's scary.

That sounds like a Tom Clancy novel.

At 2/4/06 09:38 PM, The_Last_Cynic wrote:

At 2/4/06 09:15 PM, Dark_Dennis92 wrote: From my point of view the leaders in iraq, syria etc. are using islam to try to conquer the world and that means the Korean (their response to the bible) is like their Mein Kampf novel. And that scares the shit out of me, because who knows?

/D.v.B.

Korea was a response to the Bible and like Mein Kampf, Iraq and Syria and Etc are trying to take over the world, and it's scary.

That sounds like a Tom Clancy novel.

The fuck fuck are you all babbling about?

Korea is a country.
Do you even know what Mein Kampf is about? And comparisons of Germany to Iraq and Syria? LOL
Tom Clancy novel? Iraq and Syria world domination? No, their threat would be nuclear, not domination. Read The Sum of All Fears

I was told this should go here... It's a parody of Tom Toles US Army Amputee cartoon.

http://newgrounds.com/portal/view/293483

I don't agree with cartoon censorship of any kind.

I think that Allah, Buddah, Jesus, God, Mohhommed, and willy wonka up in the godly realm would be kinda ashamed at us humans.

I find it offensive when muslim tv channels show executions of christians.

These radicals are getting on my nerves. They are the reason why in the UK people like Nick Griffin are becoming more popular, because he is just saying what everybody is thinking.

I refuse to be held hostage to people who cannot take a joke

Remember one thing:

In the 1970s, Life of Brian was deemed "blasphemous" and the religious right lobbied for it to be banned, which it still is in some local boroughs (including some without cinemas, making it a tad pointless to ban it from showing). This year, the religious right are lobbying for The Da Vinci Code movie to be given an adult rating as it will "poison the minds of children" and the usual guff.

Of course, this isn't widely reported as this is the common-or-garden, Dominant Ideology Christianity banning and damning regardless of actually seeing the films in question. Life of Brian is on The Banned List in The Vatican, while Opus Dei are going all out to shut down Dan Brown and the film.

However, the worst part is how some of these people justify taking the piss out of the central figure of a whole religion - for example I've read the following: "Mohammed was a man, not a deity, so therefore it isn't blasphemy to insult him." Fine - Jesus was a man as well, so why is Life of Brian "blasphemous" despite not being about Jesus in the first place? We can utter his name in vain and depict him in an unflattering light and expect nobody to raise an eyebrow about it, can we?

So, you can't insult Christianity and all its mutations/denominations and certainly not Jusaism...but Islam is fair game?

And I've noticed Buddhists not up in arms over that Kleenex ad, for the British viewers.

At 2/5/06 10:33 AM, D2KVirus wrote: However, the worst part is how some of these people justify taking the piss out of the central figure of a whole religion - for example I've read the following: "Mohammed was a man, not a deity, so therefore it isn't blasphemy to insult him." Fine - Jesus was a man as well, so why is Life of Brian "blasphemous" despite not being about Jesus in the first place? We can utter his name in vain and depict him in an unflattering light and expect nobody to raise an eyebrow about it, can we?

So, you can't insult Christianity and all its mutations/denominations and certainly not Jusaism...but Islam is fair game?

You're overlooking the key difference here. Radical Christians weren't going around threatening to blow up movie theaters and kidnap people in retaliation of this movie. Nor do they go around threatening to kill people for what they think is blasphemous. If Muslims were just out denouncing these cartoons, and boycotting or whatever, fine. But they're not. They're threating to kill, maim and kidnap.

Look at Pat Robertson. He suggested the assassination of Hugo Chavez, and he caught all hell for it from the media. Now there's thousands, if not tens of thousands suggesting, and for some, demanding people die? The outrage that Robertson received should be multiplied many times over for these. Is it? No.

Just think about how much outrage there has been about Kanye West and his crown of thorns.

At 2/4/06 09:36 PM, Nylo wrote:

At 2/3/06 01:34 AM, Mighty_Genghis wrote:

Now fast forward to the present, and we have a cartoon that is of a similar nature, except against Islam. The response in this part of the world is far more leniant; the members of this forum even think that it is just in 'fun and games', and it may very well be.

I disagree. When a cartoon making fun of Muhammed gets printed, Islam reacts with swift threats of violence. Yet when Islam stomps and burns the shit out of the American Flag and cries "Death to the Infidels, Allah is great" the United States doesn't throw a bitch-fit and vow holy revenge.

The way you said "Yet when Islam stomps and burns the shit out of the American Flag" you make Islam sound like a race of people and you make it look like the big bad wolf.
Islam is not a race, it is a religion. It is not a race of people that have brown skin and believe that Muhammad is the messenger of God, there are also many white muslims. I am one of them. I live in New York City, and no, none of my parents are brown, and none of them drive taxis or any other descriminatory comment you can say. Islam is like Christianity. There are brown, black, and white people that are Muslim, just like Christianity.
Muslims are all over the world, and when you say something about them as a whole, you cannot forget about the Muslims all over the world and how they feel. You musn't think that just because our most holy temple is in the middle east that we are all from there. Thats like saying that every Catholic lives in Italy(because the Pope lives there) and its like treating Catholics and Italians as the same people.
Also, your comment about the US not bitching about cartoons made about them is plain stupid. The US doesn't need to bitch because America has soldiers stationed in Iraq that will go out and kill Muslims all day as soon as they are ordered to do so. Muslims don't have troops waiting on America's doorstep to kill people when they feel like it, so all they can do is complain and demand that the cartoons stop being circulated.

P.S. Next time you want to say something, Try thinking about what you are saying.

At 2/5/06 12:09 PM, AntiangelicAngel wrote: Just think about how much outrage there has been about Kanye West and his crown of thorns.

That's different. It isn't a drawing, but someone pretending to be totally someone else. And it wasn't based on satire, nor any political meaning. In fact, it is mainly meant for a publicity stunt.

And even then, people weren't burning flags, burning builds, or suggesting bounty on West's head.

The fuck fuck are you all babbling about?

Korea is a country.
Do you even know what Mein Kampf is about? And comparisons of Germany to Iraq and Syria? LOL
Tom Clancy novel? Iraq and Syria world domination? No, their threat would be nuclear, not domination. Read The Sum of All Fears

Yes, Korea is a country in Asia, but it is also the name of the Islam ''bible''
And Iran are talking about to blow Israel off the world map and killing westners. And Israel is a Jewish country, so this sounds Ultranationalistic on a high level.

At 2/4/06 06:41 PM, seventy-one wrote:

At 2/4/06 06:20 PM, MarkyX wrote: Yeah they just have animated cartoons to kids about the joys of suicide bombing or palestines fighting off the evil jews and winning.

I'm sure a lot of extremists for other religions have cartoons for their cause.

Please, show us proof.

At 2/6/06 03:39 PM, Dark_Dennis92 wrote: Yes, Korea is a country in Asia, but it is also the name of the Islam ''bible''

KORAN. No 'e' in the name. Quran is an acceptable alternate spelling.

It is not the country. Too many people failed to pick up on that fact.

At 2/6/06 04:19 PM, DrunkenNinjer wrote:

At 2/4/06 06:41 PM, seventy-one wrote:

At 2/4/06 06:20 PM, MarkyX wrote: Yeah they just have animated cartoons to kids about the joys of suicide bombing or palestines fighting off the evil jews and winning.

I'm sure a lot of extremists for other religions have cartoons for their cause.

Please, show us proof.

http://www.kahane.or../cartoons/cartns.htm

An Israeli group, going anti-Palestinian
http://www.chick.com/default.asp
Everyone knows Jack Chick is just anti-everything but what he believes.
Do I really need to find tons of cartoons for you to believe that there is cartoons for other extremists' agenda?

At 2/6/06 04:01 PM, k_cabuk666 wrote: I'm not saying that this is what I think, but this is what I think why the media flames Pat Robertson more than extremist Muslims.

Thats not true, for one.

And Pat Robertson is a fuckin idiot so he deserves whatever he gets.

I think IllustriousPotentate is right. There's no need to go all bat crazy over a few comics in a danish newspaper. It's not like boycotting denmark's going to do anything, considering the most stuff that denmark exports to the foerign muslim countries is pork & pornography. Not like the danish economy's going to freak out.

Also, some of them are actually funny, I laughed when I saw them. I read jokes about jesus and I laugh at those too, and I believe in god. Doesn't give me the right to go burn down some embassy over it.

My point being it's not really a big deal for these comics to be in newspapers because it's not meant to be taken seriously. Do you think we actually believe the newspapers when the portray our political leaders as babbling buffons? (With the exception of George Bush & Jean Chretien)

As well, here's the one that made me laugh the hardest.

At 2/6/06 08:43 PM, affejunge wrote: I think IllustriousPotentate is right. There's no need to go all bat crazy over a few comics in a danish newspaper. It's not like boycotting denmark's going to do anything, considering the most stuff that denmark exports to the foerign muslim countries is pork & pornography. Not like the danish economy's going to freak out.

You are missing the point. You can't change a billion or so Asians, Africans, and other Islamic people just by stating this is funny stuff. Because humor will never be as strong with certain people as it is with others. Like for instance, I may rise your underwear up a flag pole and I would find that funny, but would you, anyone related to you, or any close close friends of yours would find that funny. Well maybe your relatives and any close people to you might for a split second or for an hour or so until they themselves suffer from being related or assocating with you, but you certainly won't. Well making a cartoon depiction on Muhammad is like giving every Islamic person a wedgy, a flushy, and then rising each one of their underwear up a flag pole. That's sort of like how it is for them, except 10 times as much degrading and psychologically harmful.

Also, some of them are actually funny, I laughed when I saw them. I read jokes about jesus and I laugh at those too, and I believe in god. Doesn't give me the right to go burn down some embassy over it.

So I take it you believe in god, but you find jokes about Jesus and Muhammad funny? Are you Jewish by any chance? But no you don't get it, the same kind of humor won't work on everyone. Seriously... it's like the difference from the Jim Crow plays (these were plays that depicted Africans as complete imbeciles and below that of animals) and watching Waterboy for the first time. Yes Waterboy is extremely halirious, but the Jim Crow plays which to a bunch of white people at the time they were being used were thought to be extremely halirious. But if you showed that to any body working for the black panther organization or anyone that's black pretty much, well except for yours truely, they'll kill you. Much similar to how a bunch of angry muslims would kill you if you made idiotic depictions of Muhammad.

Are you understanding where I am coming from? What's more important laughing or staying alive? So you better do the smart thing and just stay out of it or insure an intelligent solution that won't simply result in your own death.

My point being it's not really a big deal for these comics to be in newspapers because it's not meant to be taken seriously. Do you think we actually believe the newspapers when the portray our political leaders as babbling buffons? (With the exception of George Bush & Jean Chretien)

Does it matter that they should not be taken seriously? What if we had a bunch of white KKK members harrassing black people in the particular manner you would find completely funny, do you think that's right as well? Or what if they were depictions of the Hallocaust, of Nazis mistreating Jews like they did, but in a way you would have thought was funny, would you still laugh? If you say yes to any of the two questions I had typed prior to this statement then there is seriously something wrong with you. Go to a mental doctor of some kind and get some help. Remind me of how a whore acts like when she isn't exactly getting her way with people.

As well, here's the one that made me laugh the hardest.

Good for you, the thing though is that you are not a muslim and you are making up decisions for them, which makes you seem like a complete jackass who's prejudice towards the religion of Islam. How? Because you are not a muslim, you act like it's no big deal even though you are trying to tell people how to react to something that complete irritates and alarms them.

One thing you idiots aren't understanding is how islam works.

If someone attacks Islam, then the muslims will attack back, it's how they work. It is against their ways to kill, but it isn't to protect Islam at any cost.

Well put, Dranigus. : )

At 2/6/06 08:43 PM, affejunge wrote:

As well, here's the one that made me laugh the hardest.

Good cartoon.

Apparently, the same newspaper rejected cartoons portraying Jesus, three years ago.

At 2/2/06 11:32 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: BTW, I realized I forgot to post the cartoon.

Cower and fear, oh, it's so blasphemous!

Allah has guided us to kill you and threaten you, how dare you call Allah violent!

[Mohammad cartoon from Danish newspaper]

Muslims are right to be offended by this cartoon. Islam clearly states that depictions of Mohammad, even positive ones, are forbidden. Not only was this cartoon a depiction of Mohammad, it was a very unflattering one (pictures him as terrorist), and many consider it to be blasphemous.

Even though I am not a Muslim, and even though I have liberal beliefs, I was very appalled at what the Danish newspaper did, and what the other European countries did when they reprinted the cartoon. Surely many will say it is freedom of expression or freedom of the press, but at what cost? Look at all the damage that was caused as a result of this cartoon. All in the name of "freedom of the press". There is a big difference between having freedom and flaunting it. If you can't be responsible with your liberties, you don't deserve them.

At 2/7/06 09:09 PM, Hunter-X wrote:
Muslims are right to be offended by this cartoon. Islam clearly states that depictions of Mohammad, even positive ones, are forbidden.

Some people aren't governed by Islamic law. Islam needs to start fucking recognizing that.

Not only was this cartoon a depiction of Mohammad, it was a very unflattering one (pictures him as terrorist), and many consider it to be blasphemous.

Unflattering? So because it doesn't flatter him it would be worse than him being portrayed in a glorifying way?

Even though I am not a Muslim, and even though I have liberal beliefs, I was very appalled at what the Danish newspaper did, and what the other European countries did when they reprinted the cartoon.

Why are you appalled again? Because it made a certain, small group of people angry?

Surely many will say it is freedom of expression or freedom of the press, but at what cost? Look at all the damage that was caused as a result of this cartoon. All in the name of "freedom of the press".

k hitler

There is a big difference between having freedom and flaunting it. If you can't be responsible with your liberties, you don't deserve them.

Ditto.

Permission to terminate, sir?

At 2/7/06 09:05 PM, seventy-one wrote: Apparently, the same newspaper rejected cartoons portraying Jesus, three years ago.

Again, money.

I guarantee you that if Christains were exploding or stirring tons of shit up like the Islams would, they would take it no problem.

Btw, I have seen many Jesus cartoons, one involving Jesus on a hill with a person in a suit saying "Hold on, we have to remove those who didn't vote for Bush" in front of a large crowd.

Yet...well, you probably never seen it. That's how much of an 'uproar' it caused.

At 2/7/06 09:39 PM, MarkyX wrote: Yet...well, you probably never seen it. That's how much of an 'uproar' it caused.

If the media had fanned the flames, it might have. I don't know where you saw it, if it were in a major newspaper there may have been contreversy.
Also, one could say showing Muhammed (pbuh) with a bomb in his turban is more offensive, but that's a matter of opinion.

In a nutshell:

People say "meh the same guys protesting the picture right now would be making anti american pics and/ or burning flags right now anyway!"

People also say "by god, if they published a picture dehumizing millions of people, it will invoke even the non radicals to act."

My view:

Denmark needs to wise up and stop staring down their nose at Islam. Now granted, there has been some amount of negative media portrayal in the past few years, but now we need to understand when we target terrorists, we are targeting Islamic RADICALS. Notice how I capitalized the word, RADICAL. Now these picture have the same effect of the Washington Post publishing a bigoted picture of African Americans commiting crimes, indulging in sex and drugs, and eating watermellons. Now where some of these stereotypes may have some truth to them, freedom of speach does not involve the dehumanizing of millions of people. The blacks that commit the crimes are often lower class and to brand all blacks, doctors, lawyers, teachers, honest to goodness black people as all low vagabond punks is simply not acceptable.

Now according to Danish freedom of speach, I can be able to up to a black person right now and yell "Go rob a bank/ rape a woman/ do heroine" in his face because I am expressing an opinion. However, I for one believe that with freedom of speach comes a degree of responsiblity. This is what pisses me off the most: now because of Denmark's refusal to apologize, not only have radical Islamic people been mobilized, but moderate muslims as well!

Ok, I will adress what some narrowminded people may be thinking: "oh they burn the American flag! Oh they call us infedel! oh *insert self-pitying redneck babbling here.*"

Who is "they?" The entire Islamic community or just the radicals? Is every single muslim strapped to an AK and an RPG yelling allahuackbar while beheading Americans? NO. Like I said before, it is only the Islamic RADICALS that are doing things to catch the media's attention. Ok, I guess "was" is the correct word to use because now even moderate muslims are turning zealous after the attack on their identity.

Good f-ing job Europe. You bigotry has bolstered the ranks of many Muslim terror networks and given Iran one more reason to continue building nukes.

At 2/7/06 09:05 PM, seventy-one wrote: Apparently, the same newspaper rejected cartoons portraying Jesus, three years ago.

"In the Muhammad drawings case, we asked the illustrators to do it. I did not ask for these cartoons. That's the difference," he said.

I understand your point but there is no comparing. Its like saying if I was some random guy, I sent in a cartoon, and got rejected. I mean, its not like the newspaper has any responsibility to print his cartoon. There really is no similarities between the two instances.

I know how you feel, about everyone on this board is bashing Muslims left and right. I never thought the cartoons were apropriate. But the Muslim reaction in the Middle East and Europe is getting close to extremely sickening and appaling. Im going to stand behind a fuckin retarted carton before I support crazy ass fucks calling for the death of those who print them.

And maybe there is a moderate Muslim outcry against this violence. However, I dont know any of it and all I hear is the crazy assholes calling for death. Your imams need to start showing they arent hardline and reject this bullshit that is happening. Cause so far the only response I have been aware of is support for this boycott bullshit or support of the violence.

At 2/7/06 10:07 PM, S_W_A_R_M-generation wrote: In a nutshell:

People say "meh the same guys protesting the picture right now would be making anti american pics and/ or burning flags right now anyway!"

People also say "by god, if they published a picture dehumizing millions of people, it will invoke even the non radicals to act."

My view:

Denmark needs to wise up and stop staring down their nose at Islam. Now granted, there has been some amount of negative media portrayal in the past few years, but now we need to understand when we target terrorists, we are targeting Islamic RADICALS. Notice how I capitalized the word, RADICAL. Now these picture have the same effect of the Washington Post publishing a bigoted picture of African Americans commiting crimes, indulging in sex and drugs, and eating watermellons. Now where some of these stereotypes may have some truth to them, freedom of speach does not involve the dehumanizing of millions of people. The blacks that commit the crimes are often lower class and to brand all blacks, doctors, lawyers, teachers, honest to goodness black people as all low vagabond punks is simply not acceptable.

Now according to Danish freedom of speach, I can be able to up to a black person right now and yell "Go rob a bank/ rape a woman/ do heroine" in his face because I am expressing an opinion. However, I for one believe that with freedom of speach comes a degree of responsiblity. This is what pisses me off the most: now because of Denmark's refusal to apologize, not only have radical Islamic people been mobilized, but moderate muslims as well!

Ok, I will adress what some narrowminded people may be thinking: "oh they burn the American flag! Oh they call us infedel! oh *insert self-pitying redneck babbling here.*"

Who is "they?" The entire Islamic community or just the radicals? Is every single muslim strapped to an AK and an RPG yelling allahuackbar while beheading Americans? NO. Like I said before, it is only the Islamic RADICALS that are doing things to catch the media's attention. Ok, I guess "was" is the correct word to use because now even moderate muslims are turning zealous after the attack on their identity.

Good f-ing job Europe. You bigotry has bolstered the ranks of many Muslim terror networks and given Iran one more reason to continue building nukes.

Islam is a pretty extreme religion and shows no respect for other religions, its like christianity without a reformation.

And thousands of civilians from the middle east burning embassies and flags is a pretty huge thing, so it DOES actually represent them. We only hear a few who are tolerant, but there a millions more who aren't.

When there are civilians and not terrorists doing this, it becomes very extreme and sends a very strong message.

Iran doesn't have enough time to build actual nuclear bombs which actually work, the US and NATO will probably stop them soon. Iran doesn't have enough defense to counter both the US and Europe.

It is late so I will be brief.

Everyone keeps looking at this as though it exists in a vacuum. Am I the only one who noticed the death to Israel/America chants, in spite of our relative non-involvement in the issue at hand? What we are witnessing goes beyond a mere cartoon. This is a collective outrage against the Western world that has been building for quite a while. It likely stems back to the second colonial period when Western nations, mostly European, ran around carving and fouling up the rest of the world. The anger has continued in part because of Israel. I would also posit that the war in Iraq, with its lack of WMD's, is likely viewed as aggression against Islam. There is more to this than most people here seem to be seeing, and I fear that it is an indication that we may be facing dangerous times.

At 2/8/06 02:23 AM, DrunkenNinjer wrote:

Islam is a pretty extreme religion and shows no respect for other religions, its like christianity without a reformation.

Islam is not an extreme religion. Certain sects are extreme, but the religion on the whole is not.

We only hear a few who are tolerant, but there a millions more who aren't.

We only hear the intolerant ones because the tolerant one's aren't an issue. You don't hear news about Shinto in Japan as much as Islam in the middle east. Why? Because there are no major extremist Shinto terrorist organizations. Does this mean that there are no Shintoists in Japan? NO

When there are civilians and not terrorists doing this, it becomes very extreme and sends a very strong message.

By doing this, they are terrorists, not civilians, by deffinition of terrorist.
But not every civilian is out burning and bombing. The vast majority are not. Find a source that cites even a tenth of the citizens joining terrorist groups and your argument will hold weight.

I found this one sad and funny at the same time. Since the pic is too large and im too lazy to make it smaller, its at
www.whitehouse.com , and yes whitehouse is no longer porn.