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Lol.... OK maybe you should make the links clickable so people will click them... I think they are too lazy too go to them cause they have too copy & paste...

WTF masterbatin is normal and perfectly heathy read some of them teen sites they say it HAS been prooven masterbatin can lower depresion, it leads to a higher sense of self-worth , Masturbation can also be particularly useful in relationships where one partner wants more sex than the other, frequent masturbation by males may help prevent the development of prostate cancer this would be more helpful than ejaculation through sexual intercourse because intercourse can transmit diseases that may increase the risk of cancer instead. all the info came form wikipedia
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At 7/9/06 06:18 AM, X9SamFisher wrote: WTF masterbatin is normal and perfectly heathy read some of them teen sites they say it HAS been prooven masterbatin can lower depresion, it leads to a higher sense of self-worth , Masturbation can also be particularly useful in relationships where one partner wants more sex than the other, frequent masturbation by males may help prevent the development of prostate cancer this would be more helpful than ejaculation through sexual intercourse because intercourse can transmit diseases that may increase the risk of cancer instead. all the info came form wikipedia

Of course these teen sites will make those claims. NAMBLA claims that child molestation is good for both man and boy and that there is no negative impact on the child. I challenge you to find a website that supports masturbation that isn't written by a chronic masturbator.

Okay. For arguments sake let’s say masturbation is a bad thing.

Making it illegal would be a infringement on personal rights. But then, that’s a common practice in the US, is oral sex still illegal in some states?

How could you possible go about enforcing that law?

At 7/9/06 07:21 AM, o_r_i_g_i_n_a_l wrote: Making it illegal would be a infringement on personal rights. But then, that’s a common practice in the US, is oral sex still illegal in some states?

I bet you think that we have a personal right to molest our own children and abuse controlled substances.

How could you possible go about enforcing that law?

I've explained it several dozen times in the history of this topic, but once a critical mass of people reject the habit of masturbation costs can be cut as people will keep an eye out for the telltale signs of self abuse and report these people to the authorities.

Men could reduce their risk of developing prostate cancer through regular masturbation, researchers suggest.

They say cancer-causing chemicals could build up in the prostate if men do not ejaculate regularly.

And they say sexual intercourse may not have the same protective effect because of the possibility of contracting a sexually transmitted infection, which could increase men's cancer risk.

Australian researchers questioned over 1,000 men who had developed prostate cancer and 1,250 who had not about their sexual habits.

They found those who had ejaculated the most between the ages of 20 and 50 were the least likely to develop the cancer.

The protective effect was greatest while the men were in their 20s.

Men who ejaculated more than five times a week were a third less likely to develop prostate cancer later in life.

Men who ejaculated more than five times a week were a third less likely to develop prostate cancer later in life.

Previous research has suggested that a high number of sexual partners or a high level of sexual activity increased a man's risk of developing prostate cancer by up to 40%.

But the Australian researchers who carried out this study suggest the early work missed the protective effect of ejaculation because it focussed on sexual intercourse, with its associated risk of STIs.

Graham Giles, of the Cancer Council Victoria in Melbourne, who led the research team, told New Scientist: "Had we been able to remove ejaculations associated with sexual intercourse, there should have been an even stronger protective effect of ejaculations."

The researchers suggest that ejaculating may prevent carcinogens accumulating in the prostate gland.

The prostate provides a fluid into semen during ejaculation that activates sperm and prevents them sticking together.

The fluid has high concentrations of substances including potassium, zinc, fructose and citric acid, which are drawn from the bloodstream.

But animal studies have shown carcinogens such as 3-methylchloranthrene, found in cigarette smoke, are also concentrated in the prostate.

Dr Giles said fewer ejaculations may mean the carcinogens build up.

"It's a prostatic stagnation hypothesis. The more you flush the ducts out, the less there is to hang around and damage the cells that line them."

A similar connection has been found between breast cancer and breastfeeding, where lactating appeared to "flush out" carcinogens, reduce a woman's risk of the disease, New Scientist reports.

Another theory put forward by the researchers is that ejaculation may induce prostate glands to mature fully, making them less susceptible to carcinogens.

Dr Chris Hiley, head of policy and research at the UK's Prostate Cancer Charity, told BBC News Online: "This is a plausible theory."

She added: "In the same way the human papillomavirus has been linked to cervical cancer, there is a suggestion that bits of prostate cancer may be related to a sexually transmitted infection earlier in life."

Anthony Smith, deputy director of the Australian Research Centre in Sex, Health and Society at La Trobe University in Melbourne, said the research could affect the kind of lifestyle advice doctors give to patients.

Masturbation is part of people's sexual repertoire.

"If these findings hold up, then it's perfectly reasonable that men should be encouraged to masturbate," he said.

http://news.bbc.co.u..i/health/3072021.stm

Yes, and victims of murder seldom commit crimes. It's easy to find the bright side of sin.

At 7/9/06 07:37 AM, A_Carrot_By_Dr_Riot wrote: I bet you think that we have a personal right to molest our own children and abuse controlled substances.

My libertarian beliefs mean I think we should be aloud to take whatever drugs we please….but if you think by jerking off I’m automatically a paedophile, you’re either being obscurely ironic, a troll, or a moron.

At 7/9/06 09:59 AM, A_Carrot_By_Dr_Riot wrote: Yes, and victims of murder seldom commit crimes. It's easy to find the bright side of sin.

Ahh, so you believe masturbation is a sin. Maybe it is, I don’t read the bible.

Separation of state and religion mean nothing to you?

masturbation is healthy, without it you have wet dreams.

I think that after 28 pages of intense debating we can safely conclude that the immoral and at times downright evil aspects of masturbation have remained undisputed. So let us now shift our attention to the practical aspects of the vice.

My country's government has recently enacted a law similar to the measures proposed in the first post of this thread, albeit in a milder form. Selling, or transporting with the intent of selling, of under 2 lbs of masturbation is still legal but it becomes a punishable offense after 2 lbs. As a former employee of a shipping corporation I'm very aware of the logistical problems that arise when large quantities of masturbation have to be transported in numerous small portions. I've also personally witnessed situations in which teenagers were restricted in their destructive behaviour. "Hello my good man, I'd like to purchase 13.6 lbs of masturbation from your fine establishment today". "I'm very sorry sir, but we are only legally allowed to sell under two lbs."

I think these laws have a positive impact but they're not harsh enough by far. The end justifies the means when we're talking about fighting the stain on human purity that is self-stimulation, so a complete illegalisation seems to be the best alternative worldwide. All nations need to enforce what is written in this topic's first post, or wither away as moral bankruptcy takes hold of the youth and future generations of lawmakers.

At 1/6/03 06:08 PM, A_Carrot_By_Dr_Riot wrote: Did you look at the links asshole. That is PROOF that masturbation is wrong. I don't have to masturbate because I'm in control of myself.

how the fuck is it wrong to masturbate its perfectly normal and healthy and u dont masturbate cause uve got nothin there bitch

At 7/9/06 09:59 AM, A_Carrot_By_Dr_Riot wrote: Yes, and victims of murder seldom commit crimes. It's easy to find the bright side of sin.

masturbation is on the same level as murder...i guess i understand why its so wrong now!

At 1/6/03 11:44 AM, A_Carrot_By_Dr_Riot wrote:

Stuff

You're out of your fucking mind.

At 7/9/06 11:40 AM, o_r_i_g_i_n_a_l wrote: Separation of state and religion mean nothing to you?

So I guess that you think that the government shouldn't make laws against murder and rape on the grounds that Christianity condemns those acts.

At 7/9/06 11:08 PM, A_Carrot_By_Dr_Riot wrote: So I guess that you think that the government shouldn't make laws against murder and rape on the grounds that Christianity condemns those acts.

i love how you seem unable to differentiate between the gravity of those acts and masterbation.

At 7/9/06 09:59 AM, A_Carrot_By_Dr_Riot wrote: Yes, and victims of murder seldom commit crimes. It's easy to find the bright side of sin.

WHAT DOES MURFER HAVE TO DO WITH MASTURBATION?

At 7/8/06 11:14 PM, shi_huangdi wrote: so something should be made illegal for Christians and non-Christians simply because Christians (and a few other religions i assume) consider it immoral?

I'm a christian and I don't think it's immoral. If it were, Jesus would've said something or God would've made it clear. Sex is not a sin unless it is done with someone outside of marriage, a oneness if you will... are you not already ONE with yourself. God dealt with all sex issues such as gays, sex outside of marriage and others, if this were against his law he would mention it. Seriously, give me one scripture that leas me to believe that!
Enough about immorality, how can it be harmful if it's basically the same thing as sex, I've never heard of getting cancer from sex.

At 7/9/06 06:21 PM, shi_huangdi wrote:

At 7/9/06 09:59 AM, A_Carrot_By_Dr_Riot wrote: Yes, and victims of murder seldom commit crimes. It's easy to find the bright side of sin.

masturbation is on the same level as murder...i guess i understand why its so wrong now!

It's not sin, give me one reason. Religion has been twisted so much nowadays, all we can have proof of is the bible, so give me biblical proof.

At 7/10/06 12:21 AM, gamemasterboy wrote:

At 7/8/06 11:14 PM, shi_huangdi wrote: so something should be made illegal for Christians and non-Christians simply because Christians (and a few other religions i assume) consider it immoral?

I'm a christian and I don't think it's immoral. If it were, Jesus would've said something or God would've made it clear.

i'm (technically) a Christian too, and i went to a Catholic school so i know how to back up what i say when talking about religion, especially Christianity.
Jesus himself may not have said something precisely against masturbation but the story of Onan in the Old Testament is generally interpreted as being about masturbation (which is why masturbation used to be referred to as onanism). in the passage God tells Onan not to spill his seed on the (barren?) earth, which most people tend to understand as "do not masturbate and spill your seed (semen) onto the earth (or wherever else) as it will have no purpose there".

At 7/10/06 12:28 AM, shi_huangdi wrote:

At 7/10/06 12:21 AM, gamemasterboy wrote:

At 7/8/06 11:14 PM, shi_huangdi wrote: so something should be made illegal for Christians and non-Christians simply because Christians (and a few other religions i assume) consider it immoral?

I'm a christian and I don't think it's immoral. If it were, Jesus would've said something or God would've made it clear.

i'm (technically) a Christian too, and i went to a Catholic school so i know how to back up what i say when talking about religion, especially Christianity.
Jesus himself may not have said something precisely against masturbation but the story of Onan in the Old Testament is generally interpreted as being about masturbation (which is why masturbation used to be referred to as onanism). in the passage God tells Onan not to spill his seed on the (barren?) earth, which most people tend to understand as "do not masturbate and spill your seed (semen) onto the earth (or wherever else) as it will have no purpose there".

I said give me proof that it's not a SIN. God told Adam not to eat from the tree, that doesn't mean you sin if you go to a tree and eat from it. I've been a christian all of my life and have been to all sorts of bible schools, plus my dad is a preacher, so I know alot about the topic also.

well i'm working with Roman Catholic teachings. it is regarded as self-abuse and generally looked upon as innapropriate, demeaning, etc, etc...
it would also make sense if it fell under the category of self-indulgence/gluttony. usually passages in the Bible against doing something tend to have a sin attached to them. for example when Adam ate the fruit it was not because we should not eat fruit from trees it was meant to say that what brought us original sin was temptation, ignoring God and man kind's wanting to be all powerful and all knowing (as if to challenge God, wonder if there was a better way to put it). there are many more sins than the 10 written down in stone, some less severe than others, basically anything that goes against God's words is a sin. and if anything you are simply disobeying God since God "told us" not to masturbate.

At 7/9/06 11:17 PM, shi_huangdi wrote:

At 7/9/06 11:08 PM, A_Carrot_By_Dr_Riot wrote: So I guess that you think that the government shouldn't make laws against murder and rape on the grounds that Christianity condemns those acts.

i love how you seem unable to differentiate between the gravity of those acts and masterbation.

Oh, what a fucking typical religious whacko response.

It also says we should stone adulterers and kill babies in the bible.

Stop trying to impose your views on others you fascist.

soooo.....sorta quiet round here nowadays eh?

At 7/11/06 06:59 PM, shi_huangdi wrote: soooo.....sorta quiet round here nowadays eh?

I suppose we have "better things to do"...

Is Hustler out today or something?

At 7/11/06 07:38 PM, Athlas wrote: I suppose we have "better things to do"...

It's awful. I have to split my time between fighting terrorism and fighting sin.

At 7/11/06 09:39 PM, A_Carrot_By_Dr_Riot wrote:

At 7/11/06 07:38 PM, Athlas wrote: I suppose we have "better things to do"...

It's awful. I have to split my time between fighting terrorism and fighting sin.

so you admit that you're pushing this on others based on your religious views?

At 7/11/06 11:37 PM, shi_huangdi wrote: so you admit that you're pushing this on others based on your religious views?

Could I infer from that question that you believe that it is wrong to persue legislation based on any moral philosophy that has a religious component?

Every one does it! You cant stop it!

At 7/12/06 03:20 AM, TheSovereign wrote: Every one does it! You cant stop it!

I bet that they said the same thing about rape when they first tried to stop it. They've failed to completely stop it but I don't hear anyone claiming we should legalize it.