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I will personally talk to my invisible commander for you at the end of the week.

You desrve an A+. And the ability to finish your presentation, and anyone who interrupts should be sent to detention and docked points.

Bibe fight! Way to ruin someone's beliefs.

At 1/26/06 09:08 PM, -DaftPunk- wrote: Bibe fight! Way to ruin someone's beliefs.

I knew someone on Battle .net with the name "DaftPunk." funny

im cathloc so im not offended so good for you

YOU. ARE. MY. FUCKING. HERO. PERIOD.

At 1/25/06 11:10 PM, nukechicken wrote: All in all i feel that just the sheer fact that they didn't even allow me to finish my presentation proves how one minded the christian community is.

So the kids in your class didnt let you finish stating your opinion...Thats make them one minded?
Put it this way, If a christian started stating his opinion about people who arent christians, would YOU let him finish stating his opinion?

Thought so <_<

id really like for you to specificly bring up these contradictions you found so that we can all know what an (anti)theologian you are.

In case you're wondering what exactly George Carlin said about the ten commandments, here is the transcript from "Complaints & Grievances"; this is what Carlin said concerning the topic. At least you can reply to the tidbits with quotes...

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"Here is my problem with the ten commandments- why exactly are there 10?

You simply do not need ten. The list of ten commandments was artificially and deliberately inflated to get it up to ten. Here's what happened:

About 5,000 years ago a bunch of religious and political hustlers got together to try to figure out how to control people and keep them in line. They knew people were basically stupid and would believe anything they were told, so they announced that God had given them some commandments, up on a mountain, when no one was around.

Well let me ask you this- when they were making this shit up, why did they pick 10? Why not 9 or 11? I'll tell you why- because 10 sound official. Ten sounds important! Ten is the basis for the decimal system, it's a decade, it's a psychologically satisfying number (the top ten, the ten most wanted, the ten best dressed). So having ten commandments was really a marketing decision! It is clearly a bullshit list. It's a political document artificially inflated to sell better. I will now show you how you can reduce the number of commandments and come up with a list that's a little more workable and logical. I am going to use the Roman Catholic version because those were the ones I was taught as a little boy.

Let's start with the first three:

I AM THE LORD THY GOD
THOU SHALT NOT HAVE STRANGE GODS BEFORE ME

THOU SHALT NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD THY GOD IN VAIN

THOU SHALT KEEP HOLY THE SABBATH

Right off the bat the first three are pure bullshit. Sabbath day? Lord's name? strange gods? Spooky language! Designed to scare and control primitive people. In no way does superstitious nonsense like this apply to the lives of intelligent civilized humans in the 21st century. So now we're down to 7. Next:

HONOR THY FATHER AND MOTHER

Obedience, respect for authority. Just another name for controlling people. The truth is that obedience and respect shouldn't be automatic. They should be earned and based on the parent's performance. Some parents deserve respect, but most of them don't, period. You're down to six.

Now in the interest of logic, something religion is very uncomfortable with, we're going to jump around the list a little bit.

THOU SHALT NOT STEAL

THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS

Stealing and lying. Well actually, these two both prohibit the same kind of behavior- dishonesty. So you don't really need two you combine them and call the commandment "thou shalt not be dishonest". And suddenly you're down to 5.

And as long as we're combining I have two others that belong together:

THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTRY

THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR'S WIFE

Once again, these two prohibit the same type of behavior. In this case it is marital infidelity. The difference is- coveting takes place in the mind. But I don't think you should outlaw fantasizing about someone else's wife because what is a guy gonna think about when he's waxing his carrot? But, marital fidelity is a good idea so we're gonna keep this one and call it "thou shalt not be unfaithful". And suddenly we're down to four.

But when you think about it, honesty and fidelity are really part of the same overall value so, in truth, you could combine the two honesty commandments with the two fidelity commandments and give them simpler language, positive language instead of negative language and call the whole thing "thou shalt always be honest and faithful" and we're down to 3.

THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR"S GOODS

This one is just plain fuckin' stupid. Coveting your neighbor's goods is what keeps the economy going! Your neighbor gets a vibrator that plays "o come o ye faithful", and you want one too! Coveting creates jobs, so leave it alone. You throw out coveting and you're down to 2 now- the big honesty and fidelity commandment and the one we haven't talked about yet:

THOU SHALT NOT KILL

Murder. But when you think about it, religion has never really had a big problem with murder. More people have been killed in the name of god than for any other reason. All you have to do is look at Northern Ireland, Kashmir, the Inquisition, the Crusades, and the World Trade Center to see how seriously the religious folks take thou shalt not kill. The more devout they are, the more they see murder as being negotiable. It depends on who's doin the killin' and who's gettin' killed. So, with all of this in mind, I give you my revised list of the two commandments:

THOU SHALT ALWAYS BE HONEST AND FAITHFUL
TO THE PROVIDER OF THY NOOKIE.

THOU SHALT TRY REAL HARD NOT TO KILL ANYONE, UNLESS OF COURSE
THEY PRAY TO A DIFFERENT INVISIBLE MAN THAN YOU.

Two is all you need; Moses could have carried them down the hill in his fuckin' pocket. I wouldn't mind those folks in Alabama posting them on the courthouse wall, as long as they provided one additional commandment:

THOU SHALT KEEP THY RELIGION TO THYSELF."

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hahhahah

you. are. god.

At 1/25/06 11:10 PM, nukechicken wrote: Some deadly things about bible crap and stuff like that, I really liked it, so you should read it if you haven't already
I am very interested in hearing some replies to my story, so please, let me know what you think.

Hohoho bitch, anyways, let's get down to business. Yeah, I quite agree with your crazy crap speach, but I don't believe that you actually did that, but, who doesn't exaggerate alittle? Yeah, I used to type loads of pages about this stuff, but I'm tired, I wanna go to bed, but, your cool, yeah.

Lalalalala, bye.

you should have read select, extremely innapropriate verses from the song of solomon. THAT would make them protest more.

At 1/25/06 11:25 PM, mynamewontfitin wrote: Wow, you were just trying to prove a point... no reason to cry about it haha. I hate people who take life seriously...

Lol

/emowristcut

At 1/26/06 09:06 PM, TheContact23 wrote:

At 1/25/06 11:22 PM, -wwwyzzerdd- wrote:

At 1/26/06 08:55 PM, Tal-con wrote::

You must feel so proud of yourself.

He does. He accomplished his goal and proved his point.

And brought people to tears. That really shows his morality.

Yeah, and you're in the perfect position to say something like that.

Matter of perception. He read and understood the Bible and was lead to understand that Christians should be tolerant of all opinions. So, what's wrong with that?

Is this before or after ripping a holy books, and saying that you what you believe is false.

Yeah that's really tolerant.

I'm sorry, it seems you don't understand. I believe he took the time to read and interpret the bible in his own way. Why didn't the class give him that chance in return? Because until he ripped the bible, they had the chance to listen. The frenzy was only doubled after he started ripping pages.

So he ripped out pages of the FUCKING BIBLE. Are you on fucking crack. Thats like going to a fucking crippled WW2 veteran, telling him how bad America is, then stomping on the flag and spitting on it.

I hope to God you learn some respect or gain some dignity and ability to learn other people's point of view.

Yeah because obviously ripping apart a holy book is really learning thier view and showing dignity.

At 1/26/06 08:16 PM, MrFeelGood_85 wrote: It is not an ordinary book because it affect so many people and he wanted to show them that they should be affected by it because of the morality of the book. So it isn't an ordinary book to him.

It still is an ordinary book. If I had an ordinary key and were through it given allmighty powers of the people because they believed it was a key of the Gods, then it would still be an ordinary key, only difference would be that people would believe it wasn't.

I agree... but i doubt that his belief (atheism) demands ripping bibles...

No sure it did not, but does it say that it is forbidden?

Nope, because it is for them just an ordinary book, and you are allowed to rip your own books apart.

it's about practising your own believe yes, you said they (christians) have nothing to do with his believes. But then again, in that case he has nothing to do with theirs either. But he starts ripping a bible and thus interfering with their believe instead of keeping his believe (the bible is an unacceptable book) to himself... so your contradicting yourself

Ehm, no not really.

Lets say that he got a book, and starts to rip it apart... now lets say that it is a book with many addicted fans to it, "Lord of the Rings".

If he would rip it apart infront of a crowd of fans, and I mean real hardcore elfish speaking fans, they would go crazy.

Although, he got the right to do it. In his opinion he isn't interfering with any belief or such.

Yeah, it was his book, so if he wanted to rip it that badly he could've ripped it in his own room... but then it would be more sane to just throw it away...

Yes. Ofcourse it would have been more sane, or atleast less provoking. But he could do whatever he wanted with it, and so he did.

At 1/25/06 11:10 PM, nukechicken wrote:

Makes me happy that i only have more semester in that place.

There is where you went wrong, now you'll get your ass kicked. :)

You Friggin Rebel!!! Note the sarcasm

christians suck. i hate them. They freaking hand out bibles at my school and tell us that we are going to go to hell so f*** them.

At 1/31/06 06:50 AM, Stick09 wrote: christians suck. i hate them. They freaking hand out bibles at my school and tell us that we are going to go to hell so f*** them.

YOU'RE GOING TO HELL, SONNY! TAKE THIS BIBLE AND READ HOW YOU'LL DIE, SLICK!

At 1/25/06 11:10 PM, nukechicken wrote: stupid stuff

by the way you posted this, its not that hard to tell that all it is a lie. you even said for people to reply. everything you said in all that SCREAMED attention whore.

all you did was "hey look at me, i hate religion. am i cool yet?"

and now here comes the flood of other kids doing the same thing.

and behind that comes the wave of ePriests who think they can convert people over the internet.

thank you for wasting 1 minute or more of everyones time, thank you so much for publicly making a clown of yourself and thank you all who joined in on it or argued it.

thats all. got nothing to say, because this is all a waste of time.

fucking 12 year olds.

the big bang is hard to beleive, but god's people are too single minded to listen to logical analysis.

Here's what I have learned in my Introduction to Contemporary Moral Issues class based off my notes...

-The Bible is a story of people's relationship with god.
- All Human beings are called to observe the Natural Law: What is known by common sense as right. If something is wrong for Natural Law it is wrong for all mankind.
- The Ten Commandments are part of the Natural Law, the most important rules of it anyway...

Ahaha, I stopped reading when the dicussion somehow derailed into the nutritional values of pork now versus twenty centuries ago. Not that that didn't have relevance, but it was a bit too far into the land of off-topic.

Basically, on the specific topic of the OP's little story, I think capn_g summed it up perfectly, and Bob there reinforced it. Douche-baggery, hi-ho. Basically uncalled for. Yarr. On the general religion debate: no comment. You guys "figure" it out while I use my keyboard for something else. Like typing this sentence. And correcting that typo. And this. And this. And this.

And this.

And to add my own little branch of off topicness (in a fit hypocrisy):

At 1/26/06 02:50 AM, Captain_Bob wrote: religion threads make me hate the bbs. so much.

Never been a personal fav, no. But:

An intellegent debate about religion is absoultely pointless on the internet, and most places for that matter.

But it did cause a debate!
Mayhap, not a very intelligent one, since it's a highly, HIGHLY opinionated matter.
But a debate nonetheless! See, I like to see 4 or 5 people going at it, responding to each other's posts with a paragraph that they've obviously taken more then 6 seconds to process in their minds. Having said paragraph contribute solidly and profoundly to the debate isn't that much of an issue for me: I just like the fact that it is happening.

You can sort of see how people think; examine the thought process to some degree. It's terribly interesting.

Normally it is my policy to lock all religion threads in General as they resort to name calling and the like, but I am wanting to see if anyone actually reads my post.

Uh, consider it read.

That is fantastic. I love when people can give intelligent debate towards religious beliefs and the bible. It sucks no one would listen but...that's the way it goes isn't it?

You rebels you.

i am an atheist but my parents force me to be a catholic :(
you did good thing ,'AreYouSure'

At 1/25/06 11:10 PM, nukechicken wrote: blah blah blah blah

What do you think?

I humped your mom back when she was hot.

Yeah, even though the Christians were being closed mineded, you really wern't respecting anyone beliefs either. I don't hate you for tearing up something I believe in. I pretty much hate you for being an utter jerk.

You did the right thing. I'm an atheist too.

There is nothing wrong with christians.

Christians are normal people, the christians in your class are just heavily in law with their religon.

I'm a Christian, and i'mto proud be one to, and to be honest I've never read a bible, not one page. I get all the information from church.

Some heavily dedicated christians (Jesus Freaks) just completely get pissed off if a person says god is non-exsistant. I can cope with peoples opinions, I'm friends with athiest so I react with the world the same as anybody else does.

Though I do get pissed off with topics that involve mocking christians, seriously, you give us a bad name.