Wal-mart

[Angryjeff]

I've come to the conclussion that wal-mart is the reason the world (american in particuallr) is going down the shitter. I won't even start on the human rights violations in there sweat shops but think about it. Everyone dresses the same, they force the people who work there (i did for 3 weeks) to smile and be happy, u can't FORCE happiness there jsut causing massiave amounts of bitterness towards people. They cater to the most pathetic of people, the suburban white trash cnn veiwers which just causes them to all come together in one place (which can lead to meeting and breeding of the idiots)

[Evanauto]

right, but i wouldnt go that far. however as much as i personally hate wal mart (they should burn like pigs in hell) you have to understand wal mart is a lesson in capitalism ie: get what the other guys have(kmart, hills, ames, montgomery wards) and cut the prices until those guys cant compete. sad, but remember, wal mart owns: lows, sam goody, sams club, and american outfitters.

and remember: buy american!

[NJDeadzone]

At 1/1/03 11:24 PM, Angryjeff wrote: They cater to the most pathetic of people, the suburban white trash cnn veiwers which just causes them to all come together in one place (which can lead to meeting and breeding of the idiots)

in case you haven't noticed, Walmart is God in the middle of america, why are you complaining about a quality company that merges every possible thing you can buy into one store, it's convenient as hell. It's not like it's running out of business like K-Mart; they're doing something right. And as of your sweatshop remarks, people don't give a flying fuck about that. I'm upset for them because they are hurting our economy, but it's not walmart's problem, they buy the shit and sell it higher. They give plenty of people jobs, so don't give such a bad rap to one of the most successful companies in American history.

[ISleepWithAPinkBunny]

Have you ever worked at anyplace BESIDES Wal-Mart? Any minimum wage job like that is going to make you put up with crap. Anyway, Wal-Mart has everything and many are open 24-7 so I like them.

[swayside]

At 1/1/03 11:24 PM, Angryjeff wrote: I won't even start on the human rights violations in there sweat shops but think about it.

i'd like to hear more about these "human rights violations"

Everyone dresses the same,

uniforms. they're not that bad or uncommon.

they force the people who work there (i did for 3 weeks) to smile and be happy,

that's to make it a nice place be. of course they don't want their employees grumpy and misanthropic.

u can't FORCE happiness there jsut causing massiave amounts of bitterness towards people.

you also can't force anyone to work at walmart so it's your own fault for going through that.

They cater to the most pathetic of people,

they cater to every people, white trash included.

[swayside]

At 1/2/03 12:15 AM, NJDeadzone wrote: I'm upset for them because they are hurting our economy,

how are they hurting our economy?

[Angryjeff]

it seems many of u didn't realize that a lot of what i said was a joke, but in response to an earlier qoute whats wrong with them is that they run smaller buisness out of buisness using unfair advantages, and yes i know it's capitilsim but that doesn't make it right

[swayside]

At 1/3/03 12:34 AM, Angryjeff wrote: it seems many of u didn't realize that a lot of what i said was a joke, but in response to an earlier qoute whats wrong with them is that they run smaller buisness out of buisness using unfair advantages, and yes i know it's capitilsim but that doesn't make it right

how is it not right? they can sell things at a loss if they wanted to. it's fair and right. there is no unfair advantage.

[IamjustSci]

I worked at Wal Mart for several months...it's not the company that's evil, it's the customers. The reason all the employees are so bitter is yes, because you have to be nice to EVERYONE. Do you know what it's like to NOT be able to slap a woman across the head cause she won't give her goddamn 2 year old son a hug just to shut him up from crying (by the way, later her older son came, gave the kid a hug, he shut up. THAT is bad parenting for you). When every cheap bastard argues with you over two cents for over an hour...that makes you an angry son of a bitch. Ah, but when you quit the job, get on the intercom your last day and say "Attention Cheap Bastards, you can all rot in hell for all the fuck this store cares, we are using every last one of you for your money. HA!" well that just makes life worth living.

[Metal-Man]

At 1/2/03 02:21 AM, swayside wrote:

At 1/2/03 12:15 AM, NJDeadzone wrote: I'm upset for them because they are hurting our economy,

how are they hurting our economy?

how the hell are they hurting the economy they are the one of the richest companies in the US

[Slizor]

how is it not right? they can sell things at a loss if they wanted to. it's fair and right. there is no unfair advantage.

Actually it is an abuse of power. It is infact uncompetative, something which Conservatives pride themselves on. They are selling at a level with which poorer local companies can not compete thus putting them out of business.

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

how the hell are they hurting the economy they are the one of the richest companies in the US

I don't understand the correlation between being rich and hurting the economy.

On uncompetitive practices. I think that the essay "Common Fallacies about capitalism" by Nathaniel Branden, which appears in the book "Capitalism: the Unknown Ideal" by Ayn Rand would be a more effective answer than I can give.

You can find the book at this link (hopefully, I just copy pasted the adress)

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?cat=18835&;dept=3920&product_id=440879&path=0%3A3920%3A18835%3A18838%3A18840%3A21655

If you don't feel like coughing up the 8 bucks, I'll even pay for the book myself Slizor, e-mail me your adress.

[swayside]

At 1/3/03 10:21 AM, Slizor wrote:

Actually it is an abuse of power. It is infact uncompetative, something which Conservatives pride themselves on. They are selling at a level with which poorer local companies can not compete thus putting them out of business.

and that's unfair... how?

[Slizor]

Actually it is an abuse of power. It is infact uncompetative, something which Conservatives pride themselves on. They are selling at a level with which poorer local companies can not compete thus putting them out of business.

and that's unfair... how?

Well, this would need a definition of fair to argue properly. I mean, I wouldn't think that it is fair to abuse a position of power, but you may.

[Myopinions]

mad dum

[Myopinions]

who cares

[swayside]

At 1/3/03 06:39 PM, Slizor wrote:

Well, this would need a definition of fair to argue properly. I mean, I wouldn't think that it is fair to abuse a position of power, but you may.

walmart isn't in some kind of "position of power". walmart is well established and has been around for years so of course most people would prefer to shop there. besides, what do you want them to do? raise their prices so another competing business can out do them? and if that business does, would you say that they should raise their prices to let walmart ketch up?

[IamjustSci]

walmart isn't in some kind of "position of power". walmart is well established and has been around for years so of course most people would prefer to shop there. besides, what do you want them to do? raise their prices so another competing business can out do them? and if that business does, would you say that they should raise their prices to let walmart ketch up?

Much as I usually disagree with you Sway, you're right here. It's a corporation that originated in a capitalist nation, whether the people like it or not. It's fundamentally part of what made the US what it is. It's their right to do what they need as a company to take over.

[swayside]

At 1/3/03 10:38 PM, Scaletail wrote:

Much as I usually disagree with you Sway, you're right here.

i'm glad we could see it the same way.

[IamjustSci]

i'm glad we could see it the same way.

Well it's the first time I've seen you actually FOR letting people have their rights...

[Len-Mystic]

There is also the fact that if you dont like companies that "abuse their positions of power" you should be shouting about microsoft instead of wal-mart.

[swayside]

At 1/5/03 08:31 PM, Len_Mystic wrote: There is also the fact that if you dont like companies that "abuse their positions of power" you should be shouting about microsoft instead of wal-mart.

what has microsoft done that is so wrong. become so successful that most poeple have only heard of them? is it their fault? no. they make products and sell them. there's nothing wrong with that.

[IamjustSci]

Nobody is stopping you from buying Mac or using Netscape. Why? Cause the other product is BETTER. Netscape used to be better, but hasn't updated in god knows how long, and as for Mac, until I can "frankenstine" my old PC parts into a Mac, I'm not buying one. To hell with buying a system when I can recycle practically my whole computer into a new one.

[IamjustSci]

I agree that Walmart is evil. Microsoft is evil, yes...but so is EVERY corporation. You don't think that if K Mart or Target was in charge they wouldn't do the same thing?

[swayside]

At 1/5/03 09:41 PM, Scaletail wrote: I agree that Walmart is evil. Microsoft is evil, yes...but so is EVERY corporation. You don't think that if K Mart or Target was in charge they wouldn't do the same thing?

corporate=evil? i don't see the logic behind that statement.

[j-green]

walmart has sweatshops?

[j-green]

damn am gonna stop shopping there

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

What is wrong with sweatshops? No this is not a rhetorical question. Someone answer it. Exactly what is wrong with sweatshops.

Here's another question to keep you busy, how many first world nations are there that have not at some point had an economy based on sweatshops.

Here's a short list: United States, Japan, UK, France, and more!

Consider: in countries that have sweatshops, there is no other reliable source of income.

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

Oh I forgot to mention, I'm willing to purchase a copy of "Capitalism, the unknown Ideal" for anyone who takes me up on the offer. (I'll even compromise and buy you Atlas Shrugged if you'd rather have that)

Heres the limitations:
1. I'm buying it from Wal-mart
2. if you like it, you get to buy me a book of about the same cost.
3. If you hate it, donate it to a library

Anyone, Anyone? I figure that the people on this BBS are mature enough to handle applications of philosophy to poliics, I hope I'm right.

[Freakapotimus]

At 1/6/03 11:09 AM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: "Capitalism, the unknown Ideal"
"Atlas Shrugged"

Tell me more about the books, their topics, ideas, etc. I'm always looking for a good read.