Gay rights

[Angryjeff]

okay first i'm gonna ask everyone to refrain from using words like faq, fudge packer etc.. because for all u know ppl on the board might be gay so lets try not to be to offensive (asking ppl on the internet to not be offense :S lets see how that goes). What does everyone think about gay rights, should a gay couple be allowed to adopt, should they be allowed to get married? I can say that gay couples should ahve the EXACT same rights a straight couple has. I can proudly say that the mayor of my city is an open homosexual and that i voted for him without even a single thought of his sexual prefrence. I just don't see whats wrong with being gay it's also a horrible double standered most guys cheer for lesbains or bisexual girls but the instant a guy is a gay he's a fudge packer and is mocked and in a lot of cases beaten and killed. Just under a year ago here some scum attacked a guy because he was gay and curb stomped him the kid was only 16. It makes me sick

[NJDeadzone]

gays are entitled to all the same rights, end of story, it's not like the birds and the bees ever comes from the parents anymore anyway, they got Trojan commercials on TV now

[MarijuanaClock]

I couldn't give a fuck what people do as long as it doesn't affect me or society. They can have all the rights they want, they shouldn't be allowed to adopt though.

[NJDeadzone]

At 12/31/02 03:28 AM, MarijuanaClock wrote: I couldn't give a fuck what people do as long as it doesn't affect me or society. They can have all the rights they want, they shouldn't be allowed to adopt though.

they should be able to adopt, it really doesn't make a difference in the kids life other than how others treat him/her. and that's just middle school bullcrap. Homosexuality is becoming more tolerable in the suburban/urban culture. When it comes to how the children feel sexual preference wise, it's really the kid's choice. Everyone is born half man half woman so it's not like anything is lost by having two parents of the same gender.

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

Gays have the same rights as anyone else, except when they are put in positions where they deal with children, the situation should be evaluated the same way as it would be if it were a straight man and girls. (A gay man supervising a bunch of 12 year old boys should be treated the same way as a straight man supervising a bunch of 12 year old girls.)

I don't think that gays are more likely to be sex offenders, but there are child molesters from all sexual orientations.

[Freakapotimus]

A bisexual friend of mine claims that her lesbian ex-girlfriend "fell into the trap" that many gays and lesbians do: wanting what "other people" want. Her ex wanted to get a house in the suburbs and have a dog and children and drive to soccer practice. She was "putting on a front" about gay rights, but secretly she wanted to live a gay "straight" life.

My ex-girlfriend wrote an article one time stating that gays, lesbians, and bisexuals shouldn't fight for the right to get married, but that everyone should fight to abolish marriage as a government institution.

But what's wrong with that?

Different people want different things, and just because a lesbian wants to get married and have kids doesn't mean that she's a hypocrite.

There are also plenty of straight people who don't want to get married, or have kids, or drive an SUV.

The fact remains that only male-female couples are legally allowed to get married. But not every straight person takes advantage of this. The same would go for gays and lesbians. The option of being legally married should be open to them, but not everyone will take it.

[TheNewAuk-defiant]

At 12/31/02 03:28 AM, MarijuanaClock wrote: I couldn't give a fuck what people do as long as it doesn't affect me or society. They can have all the rights they want, they shouldn't be allowed to adopt though.

Do you even read your own posts? You just flatly contradicted yourself in a single sentance! "All the rights they want but shouldn't be allowed to adopt"? What is that supposed to mean?!

[dogdexter1]

I personally dont care if they adopt but 2 guys kissing in public should be a fedeal offence and they should get capital punishment. Lesbians are Coo in my book thou. BTW we are not born half woman half man only men are half/half Xy woman are YY? been so long since i was in biology.

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

Men are 1/2 women
Women are 1/2 +1/2 women.
Both are 1/2 women.

[swayside]

At 12/31/02 04:33 PM, dogdexter1 wrote: I personally dont care if they adopt but 2 guys kissing in public should be a fedeal offence and they should get capital punishment. Lesbians are Coo in my book thou. BTW we are not born half woman half man only men are half/half Xy woman are YY? been so long since i was in biology.

you are an idiot n00b. shut up unless you have something to say that's important.

[swayside]

gay couples should not be allowed to marry or adopt. and, by the way, they shouldn't be a political minority either. mariage is a religious institution that has been incorperated into our political society. gay people should not be allowed to get married because of this. the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is just as evil as thievery and drunkenness. it also states verbatum that the act of homosexuality is detestable. so no gays shouldn't be allowed to get married and especially not be allowed to adopt.

[Angryjeff]

At 12/31/02 05:07 PM, swayside wrote: mariage is a religious institution that has been

:incorperated into our political society.

your an idiot, marrige was around LONG before the blible was ever written what if a jew gets married?? or a muslim?? are u saying thats not a real marriage and why don't u stop hiding behind your precious bible and think for yourself, what proof do u ahve that jesus wasn't gay??? did the bible say he was straight?? how do u know the bible is right u ever met the guy who wrote it?? what bout the hundereds of translations it's been through. Why would u post on a politics board when u can't even make deciouns for yourself

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

By your reasoning, gays should not be allowed to get christmas off as a holiday.

[Slizor]

gay couples should not be allowed to marry or adopt. and, by the way, they shouldn't be a political minority either. mariage is a religious institution that has been incorperated into our political society. gay people should not be allowed to get married because of this. the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is just as evil as thievery and drunkenness. it also states verbatum that the act of homosexuality is detestable. so no gays shouldn't be allowed to get married and especially not be allowed to adopt.

So gay people should not have the rights of a "normal" human? Infact, do you think they are sub-human? Thus not deserving the full rights of a human. Or should they be denied rights because you think that being gay is a crime? Should the same happen to drunks? What about a gay drunk?!?! Should they be burnt at the stake for violating the bible?!(even if they are athiests)

[Sybarite]

At 12/31/02 04:39 PM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: Men are 1/2 women
Women are 1/2 +1/2 women.
Both are 1/2 women.

what grade did you get in mathematics?
lol

[zanz]

Gays and Lesbians definetly deserve the same rights as everyone else. However i still think that we are far away from that. I have a couple of friends who have been trying to adopt for 4 years and still cannot get a child even though they would be perfect parents. They're also not even recognized as a married couple even though they've been living together for so long. They don't get the same rights as hetero couples who have lived together for the same length of time.

Oh and here is a little food for thought: just recently this couple went to a blood drive to donate blood for my university and you know what? They discovered much to their horror and mine that homosexuals are not allowed to donate blood!! What does everything think about that?

[Nevah73]

I'm all for equal rights for gays. All of them. All the rights and all the gays. And I'd like to hit the Level 1 homophobe whose name I can't remember over the head with Auk's lead pipe.

But just to clear up the chromosomal thing...

Males are 100% male. Females are 100% female. The male chromosomal pattern is XY and the female one is XX. X on its own is just a chromosome and Y on its own is just a chromosome, and neither have gender because they're just chromosomes carried on a gamete(a sperm or egg cell).

[swayside]

At 1/1/03 05:58 AM, Angryjeff wrote: your an idiot, marrige was around LONG before the blible was ever written

duh.

and why don't u stop hiding behind your precious bible and think for yourself, what proof do u ahve that jesus wasn't gay??? did the bible say he was straight??

the Bible says the Jesus was inerrant, so obviously he was straight.

how do u know the bible is right u ever met the guy who wrote it??

ever met the guy that wrote you history text book?

Why would u post on a politics board when u can't even make deciouns for yourself

you are an idiot. of course i think for my self. if i didn't, i wouldn'd have posted in the first place.

and by the way, why do you automatically asume that because i believe in the bible, i'm a mindless drone? if i was then i would believe in anything.

[MarijuanaClock]

At 12/31/02 03:04 PM, TheNewAuk wrote:

At 12/31/02 03:28 AM, MarijuanaClock wrote: I couldn't give a fuck what people do as long as it doesn't affect me or society. They can have all the rights they want, they shouldn't be allowed to adopt though.

Do you even read your own posts? You just flatly contradicted yourself in a single sentance! "All the rights they want but shouldn't be allowed to adopt"? What is that supposed to mean?!

Adoption affects someone else, the child. Gays are entitled to do whatever they want with themselves "They can have all the rights THEY want." But there lifestyle should not affect others or society. Placing a child in the care gays will affect that child. Got it?

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

At 1/1/03 04:41 PM, Sybarite wrote:

At 12/31/02 04:39 PM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: Men are 1/2 women
Women are 1/2 +1/2 women.
Both are 1/2 women.

what grade did you get in mathematics?
lol

I always got crappy grades in math, but that was because I've been taking college level math courses since I was in middle school.

This all comes down to set theory. A room containing{alice,bob,cathy} also contains {alice,bob}, {alice,cathy},{bob,cathy},{alice},{bob},{cathy}

a room with 3 people in it contains 3 and 2 and 1 people depending on how you look at it.

If I ask you if there are 2 people in your bedroom, and you look in and see 3 people, what would be your answer? On one hand, 3 is not equal to 2, so there aren't 2 people in the room. On the other hand, if I look in the room, I can see at least 2 people, and the answer should be yes.

Because of this semantic problem, mathematicans use the phrase "one and only one", "two and only two" and so on when they want to know if there are exactly 2 people in a room.

I don't think that this discussion on number theory really fits in the "gay rights" topic though, so I'll stop.

Remember, they don't call me "Dr." Arbitrary for nothing.

[thebreadloaf2003]

If you are gay, guess what?
I dont give a fuck!
just dont announce it in public with me around or your gonna get your ass KICKED!!!!

[Freakapotimus]

At 1/2/03 10:16 AM, thebreadloaf2003 wrote: just dont announce it in public with me around or your gonna get your ass KICKED!!!!

What if I announced my bisexuality? Would you kick my ass? Or is it "cool" because I'm a chick?

I hate the double standard that two girls together is HOT but two guys together is "just disgusting".

Love is love, physical, emotional, familial, sexual... there are different types of love, and different ways to show it.

About marriage: If a religious institution states that they will not recognize a same-sex union, that is their business. They can make whatever rules about it they want. Marriage as a political institution should be extended to same-sex unions, ALL rights for ALL people.

[Sybarite]

Love is love, physical, emotional, familial, sexual... there are different types of love, and different ways to show it.

About marriage: If a religious institution states that they will not recognize a same-sex union, that is their business. They can make whatever rules about it they want. Marriage as a political institution should be extended to same-sex unions, ALL rights for ALL people.

There is only one "real" love. the rest is sexual attraction, just feeling good beside you, feeling comfy with you prescense etc. Love is understanding.
BTW I wouldn't be surprised if child abuse becomes legal after gay's become legal. >:P

[Freakapotimus]

At 1/2/03 11:15 AM, Sybarite wrote: BTW I wouldn't be surprised if child abuse becomes legal after gay's become legal. >:P

Being gay is legal, so please explain your argument, I have no idea what you mean.

[Dromiceiomimus]

They should have most of the same rights as straight couples, like marriage and the finiancial benefeits that comes with it, but adopting a kid I dont think they should be able. Remember that alot of these kids will have gone through alot and they would be bound to be made fun off in school if their parents were gay which could push them over the edge. If this wasn't the case it would be fine but secondary school can be hard.

[Freakapotimus]

I can understand where you are coming from, those who said that adopted children of gay/lesbian couples would have it hard in school, have issues growing up, etc. Kids have a hard time in school as it is, and stupid assholes will make it hard on those kids with gay parents.

There are already kids with gay parents; maybe Dad came out later in life, or maybe Mom took a trip to the sperm bank one day. I'm sure those kids have to deal with assholes everyday, just like their parents do.

By not allowing gays to adopt, aren't we just contributing to the behavior that will make it harder on those kids?

[Nevah73]

Being straight isn't more normal.

It's just more common.

Technically, if you want to ban gay adoption because the kid will be made fun of in school, then you should also ban the following:

Adoption by very fat people
Adoption by very thin people
Adoption by people of minority religions
Adoption by zealots of majority religions
Adoption by very short people
Adoption by very tall people
Adoption by people of sub-par intelligence
Adoption by extremely smart people
Adoption by over-protective people
Adoption by ugly people
Adoption by the poor
Adoption by the rich
Adoption by the middle-class
The having of natural children by all of the above.

Kids will tease kids, no matter what for. So-the-fuck-what if their parents are gay, that's just one thing. Those who will tease will find something. It's not like they don't pick on people whose parents are straight.

If you want to ban it because they might "grow up gay", not only are you just a biased fuckoff, but you are basing your opinion, no, you are basing a suggestion for a fucking LAW, on something that HAS BEEN SCIENTIFICALLY DISPROVEN! GRAGH! WHY! THE! FUCK! DO YOU NEED TO ENFORCE _YOUR MORALITY_ ON OTHERS?

WHY?!

[Dromiceiomimus]

At 1/2/03 03:02 PM, Nevah73 wrote: Being straight isn't more normal.

It's just more common.

I agree totally with this statement.

If you want to ban it because they might "grow up gay", not only are you just a biased fuckoff, but you are basing your opinion, no, you are basing a suggestion for a fucking LAW, on something that HAS BEEN SCIENTIFICALLY DISPROVEN! GRAGH! WHY! THE! FUCK! DO YOU NEED TO ENFORCE _YOUR MORALITY_ ON OTHERS?

WHY?!

I see no problem with gay people and i dont care if they grow up gay. Also i dont remember trying to force my opinion on anybody, correct me if I am wrong but is it not the point of forums like this to present an opinion and then have people discuss it and present your own view.
Despite you calling me biased, I now dont know what to think about gays adopting because of the size of your list. You had me nearly conviced untill you called me a biased fuckoff.

[Nevah73]

That wasn't toward you. That was toward the biased fuckoffs. You're obviously intelligent, it was directed more towards DogDexter and friends, sorry to offend.

[Mightydein]

Sorry I'am I too late to add anything in this topic?!

I think gay pepole should be allowed to do whatever they want as long as it does'nt harm children or animals.