Muhammed drawings...

[Tue]

In my contry (Denmark) we have had... I wouldn't call it a scandal, as much as a problem:

Some illustrators had drawn pictures of the muslim prophet Muhammed in some... "funny" versions, for a danish newspaper. Immediately after the prints were out, muslims all over the world, (or so I have heard) went to the streets, protesting against the paper, as they were very offended by the drawings. Others, such as ambassador, complained to the danish goverment, (one contry actually had a political party, that put out a reward of 10.000$ to the person who killed one of the illustrators... serious business).
A group of ambassador wanted to meet with the danish prime minister (not sure if they wanted an appolegy, or wanted to discuss the issue), but the prime minister refused (that dessicion has also been criticized)... and that's about were we are now.

- I would like to know how fare this story have goten, therefor I ask you now: if any of you have heard this story before or this is new to you?

- Also I would like to hear what you think about all of this?

[TheBlueBullet]

http://news.bbc.co.u..i/europe/4361260.stm

Good for the News Paper :)

[HighlyIllogical]

So wait, Christians don't care about a naked depiction of the Virgin Mary, a venerated Christian figure, but the Muslims care about a couple of cartoons about Muhammed?
Confusion...

But anyway, I don't see the big deal about political expression. The cartoons don't seem racist, and as long as they're legit opinions that express some fact, like the oppression of women in Islam and the anti-semitism inherent in Islamic nations, the lack of freedom of speech in Arab nations etc., I have no problem with it.

[morefngdbs]

Haven't heard anything here in this part of Canada, but I'm leaving here to go to the link above to check it out.
Thanks for the news tip.

[seventy-one]

Well depictions of prophets are against Islamic theology, so I could understand the uproar about it, but I personally don't care what someone who doesn't believe in him does. Just dissmiss it as one man's interpretation. Although to other muslims I could understand it being a insult.

[ShadzKing]

you guys are idiots the reason why those people are mad at the Muhammed drawings because in the Islam faith we must never draw his face on anything. if you wanted to see a painting of Muhammed you would see his face being covered.

[HighlyIllogical]

I remember that they blanked out his eyes on an Islamic news website I saw. I just don't see the backlash. We don't show physical depictions of God in Judaism, but I've seen physical depictions of David, Moses etc. Perhaps the cartoons were truly offensive. I would just be as offended, I asume, if someone drew an image of God or of a stereotyped Jew. I guess it's the same kind of thing.

[morefngdbs]

At 12/30/05 05:05 PM, ShadowKingLock wrote: you guys are idiots the reason why those people are mad at the Muhammed drawings because in the Islam faith we must never draw his face on anything. if you wanted to see a painting of Muhammed you would see his face being covered.

;
I went and looked at those pictures and they are not that bad.
The one of (possibley Mohammed) at the gates of heavin telling a long line of blown up dead guys with back packs to 'Go back we're out of virgins'
That was funny shit!
They were not at all bad enough for someone to put a price on the deaths of the cartoonists. You people need to give your heads a shake and lighten the fuck up.
THe other funny one is the 2 woman covered in burkas with only their eyes visible,while an armed muslim male is in between them with only his eyes blinded.
The rest are mediocre at best.
Just because someone states "this is mohammeds face" How the fuck do they know?
How would you know? If it has never been recorded when he lived.
I think your turbins are wrapped to tight and it has long since cut off the blood supply to your brains!
Proof might be in the Masterminds that get people to wrap themselves in explosives and blow themselves and anyone (who knows who) around them up.
It is comedic genius this bit below I heard on the radio last year!!!!
Ter.#1 "you wrap yourself in explosives"
Ter#2 "W.T.F."
Ter#1 " you wait 'til bus is crowded, then set off the bomb"
Ter#2 " But that will kill me to"
Ter#1 " Shut da fuck up, I the mastermind here"

[Tue]

Proof might be in the Masterminds that get people to wrap themselves in explosives and blow themselves and anyone (who knows who) around them up.
It is comedic genius this bit below I heard on the radio last year!!!!
Ter.#1 "you wrap yourself in explosives"
Ter#2 "W.T.F."
Ter#1 " you wait 'til bus is crowded, then set off the bomb"
Ter#2 " But that will kill me to"
Ter#1 " Shut da fuck up, I the mastermind here"

Hehe, the guy how made that track, is also danish actually :P
- And I agree with you, that people should lighten up about it. I know allot of people were offended, but in Denmark we have a long and healthy traditon, for making fun of everything (even us selfs), almost nothing is sacred...

[RedGlare]

At 12/30/05 05:05 PM, ShadowKingLock wrote: you guys are idiots the reason why those people are mad at the Muhammed drawings because in the Islam faith we must never draw his face on anything. if you wanted to see a painting of Muhammed you would see his face being covered.

so were not muslim we don't bow to your beliefs and we don't have to. those ambassadors are forcing there will on other people. Theres tons of anti jew litarature in arabic newspapers do you see them making a fuss about it. I find it funny how people who claim to believe in somthing then get mad when someone elese questions it.

If you really believed in Islam you wouldn't care what other people thought but everytime someone makes the slightest comment you act like that further undermining your claim of faith and act like a mob of hooligans.

[Blackmagic]

I'm not surprised to read "Death threats" in that article.
Religion in action.

[Loch-Ness-Monster]

At 12/30/05 05:05 PM, ShadowKingLock wrote: you guys are idiots the reason why those people are mad at the Muhammed drawings because in the Islam faith we must never draw his face on anything. if you wanted to see a painting of Muhammed you would see his face being covered.

We're not muslims, and we live in secular states. That means that we have the right to mock whatever religion we like for whatever reason we like. Get used to it.

[RedGlare]

At 12/31/05 01:53 PM, marchingtyrants wrote: denmark shouldve been nuked

see this proofs my point about how little faith the average muslim has in there religion.

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 12/31/05 01:59 PM, RedGlare wrote:

At 12/31/05 01:53 PM, marchingtyrants wrote:

see this proofs my point about how little faith the average muslim has in there religion.

He isn't an average muslim, most respectufull, moderate muslims that haven't been brainwashed or crazied are respectabull people with strong cultural and historical ties. This child is just a dumbass

[seventy-one]

Look, to some muslims it can be percieved as a great insult, like the N-word is to blacks. To others its just a drawing.
The article did say it showed the Prophet as a steryotypical fundamentalist, which is insulting itself. But overall I think both parties are wrong, people should at least respect other people's beliefs, and people should allow freedom of speech.

[darklad]

come on, muslim countries don't disrespect jesus, it's not fair for the christian countries to make fun of mohammed, there's boundries and limits for making fun. I would have found this less offensive if this came from a muslim, still offended but less, it's like a white person using the "n" word

[ReiperX]

I agree with the person that said that both sides are at fault in their own ways.

I do understand many Muslims being angry because of it, its against their religion to portray Mohammad and its a mockary of their religion. So I do understand some of them being upset.

But at the same time I would hope that they would also understand that it was meant to be funny, its distasteful but it was meant to be funny, and not a direct insult towards their religion.

So neither side is totally at fault nor are they totally innocent either.

[Buffalow]

What would rioting do to get the comics off of the newspaper anyway? It's just a one day print!

[seventy-one]

At 1/1/06 04:03 AM, Dinodoode wrote: What would rioting do to get the comics off of the newspaper anyway? It's just a one day print!

If you create enough of a protest you can possibly prevent them from doing it again in the future.

[WolvenBear]

At 1/1/06 02:59 AM, darklad wrote: come on, muslim countries don't disrespect jesus, it's not fair for the christian countries to make fun of mohammed, there's boundries and limits for making fun. I would have found this less offensive if this came from a muslim, still offended but less, it's like a white person using the "n" word

I love that...I would've found it less offensive coming from a Muslim. Why? Is it a different message somehow? I call a line from Coach Carter to attention:

"Did you just say Nigga? Nigga comes from Nigg-r. That is a term of disrespect. You disrespect me when you call me that. You disrespect yourself for saying it. And you allow others to disrespect you when you accept them calling you that."

Bottom line, he says it's the same message coming from a black man or white man. In fact he goes on to how it's worse for a black man to use it. Regardless. Just because it's offensive, doesn't mean you have the right to be shielded from it. Free speech is free speech whether you like it or not. Life sucks. We all have to deal with things we don't like to hear. Tough.
And as for the Muslim nations don't make fun of Christian nations. No, but some of them call Jihads on us. Iran called for the extermination of the Jews, of Israel. We have entire nations calling us the great Satan, and teaching their children how evil we are. Not that all Muslims do this, but come on, stop trying to act like no Muslims have ever done us wrong. And which is worse? A joke (which he may not have understood the infraction (to give the artist the benefit of the doubt), or calling for murder?

[Tue]

At 1/1/06 02:59 AM, darklad wrote: come on, muslim countries don't disrespect jesus, it's not fair for the christian countries to make fun of mohammed, there's boundries and limits for making fun. I would have found this less offensive if this came from a muslim, still offended but less, it's like a white person using the "n" word

If a muslim had done it, in a muslim contry, wouldn't he be on his way to deathrow?
...I think islam is too extrem in some of it's ways!

[darklad]

At 1/1/06 06:07 AM, WolvenBear wrote:

I love that...I would've found it less offensive coming from a Muslim. Why? Is it a different message somehow? I call a line from Coach Carter to attention:

"Did you just say Nigga? Nigga comes from Nigg-r. That is a term of disrespect. You disrespect me when you call me that. You disrespect yourself for saying it. And you allow others to disrespect you when you accept them calling you that."

Bottom line, he says it's the same message coming from a black man or white man. In fact he goes on to how it's worse for a black man to use it. Regardless. Just because it's offensive, doesn't mean you have the right to be shielded from it. Free speech is free speech whether you like it or not. Life sucks. We all have to deal with things we don't like to hear. Tough.

aye, thats a matter of opinion, and "free speech" has boundries, and if people are too dense or too cruel to see that, then they need people to show it to them by force

And as for the Muslim nations don't make fun of Christian nations. No, but some of them call Jihads on us. Iran called for the extermination of the Jews, of Israel. We have entire nations calling us the great Satan, and teaching their children how evil we are. Not that all Muslims do this, but come on, stop trying to act like no Muslims have ever done us wrong. And which is worse? A joke (which he may not have understood the infraction (to give the artist the benefit of the doubt), or calling for murder?

they called jihad on you when you screwed them in the war against communisim in afghanistan, started working against them, and soppurted a state that kills and occupies there brothers, they didn't do it out of the blue you know, there was an error and abuse in the system that led to this uprising, people don't sacrifice their lives for no reason, although i'm against violance and al-quada, there intintions are noble, but their methods are shit, they don't target all christians, just the "crusaders", meaning america and it's allies. This is how it all starts, with a joke, nothing serious, then it grows to another sort of disrespect, then another, and eventaully it snowballs and keeps growing, why let it grow at all?

[klik-klik]

I'm not Islamic but I still think you shoudn't do it out of respect but what I really don't like the fact that if it were Jesus drawn disrespectfuly and Christians got mad we would be told to get a sense of humor and not taking seriously at all

[darklad]

At 1/1/06 07:05 AM, Tue wrote:

If a muslim had done it, in a muslim contry, wouldn't he be on his way to deathrow?
...I think islam is too extrem in some of it's ways!

very few might throw you in jail for a month, or make the goverment interfere, like iran i think, but most muslim countries have it's people, and groups that come and remove it, rather than the goverment

[darklad]

At 1/1/06 10:20 AM, klik_klik wrote: I'm not Islamic but I still think you shoudn't do it out of respect but what I really don't like the fact that if it were Jesus drawn disrespectfuly and Christians got mad we would be told to get a sense of humor and not taking seriously at all

funny enough muslims believe that you shouldn't illustrate ANY prophet, including jesus, they find it very offensive, and most don't approve of pictures of jesus, in islamic class they used to show us movies about abrahem and moses and he rest of the relegious figure's, but they would put the prophet as a blob of light without sound

[RedGlare]

At 1/1/06 05:00 AM, seventy-one wrote:
If you create enough of a protest you can possibly prevent them from doing it again in the future.

no it wouldn't if anything it would make it more popular as people would want to see what the fuss is about. Controversy breeds support and it would give them some truth to there claims elevating it from poor humour to political message.

[Slav-Troll]

Denmark has absolute freedom of press. Why the hell make an exception for some muslims?

[darklad]

At 1/1/06 10:59 AM, Slav_Troll wrote: Denmark has absolute freedom of press. Why the hell make an exception for some muslims?

if it wants to sustain good forieghn affairs with muslim countries and people. You have to make a few expections now and then to keep forieghn relationships in goods term, now is a now and then, unless denmark is stupid enough to not care for it's forieghn affairs and relations, then it should disrespect more relegions and believe's for shits and giggles

[RedGlare]

At 1/1/06 11:09 AM, darklad wrote: if it wants to sustain good forieghn affairs with muslim countries and people. You have to make a few expections now and then to keep forieghn relationships in goods term, now is a now and then, unless denmark is stupid enough to not care for it's forieghn affairs and relations, then it should disrespect more relegions and believe's for shits and giggles

If Denmark refuses it will be interpreted as Denmark standing up for its beliefs unlike those muslim country as there actions will be and are seen as them forcing there beliefs on others and trying to enforce there will on others.

[Loch-Ness-Monster]

At 1/1/06 10:17 AM, darklad wrote: aye, thats a matter of opinion, and "free speech" has boundries, and if people are too dense or too cruel to see that, then they need people to show it to them by force

Thankfully you live in the middle east, but people like you who live in the west are the ones we need to kill. In the west we have a right to mock whatever religion we like, be it christianity, islam, judaism or whatever. Groups of people who make threats towards those who excercise free speech should be destroyed.

if it wants to sustain good forieghn affairs with muslim countries and people. You have to make a few expections now and then to keep forieghn relationships in goods term, now is a now and then, unless denmark is stupid enough to not care for it's forieghn affairs and relations, then it should disrespect more relegions and believe's for shits and giggles

Free speech should never be limited for the purposes of keeping friendly with countries that already hate us. I'm not particularly concerned wether people in the middle east hate us, freedom of speech is a million times more important.