I may become an illegal in the US?

[fli]

There has been a very strong push mostly by the Republicans to remove a clause from Section 1 of the Constitution: Birthrights. You can read up the latest news here...

So basically, people say that not all people born on US soil aren't US Americans. Basically, if you're parents are illegal immigrants, then you're not American even if you were born here! What is more, there is a push to revoke citizenship those who lived their entire lives on US soil (like me.) While the link doesn't mention those who are already born and lived in the US for their entire lives, there's been talking here and there about this.

Okay,
To a certain extent there needs to be control of illegal immigration, but to punish US citizens is another thing.

What choice did I have to be born here or not? Why should I be punished for nothing when I've been in the United States from day one? In all these 24 years, should I be deported to Mexico?

The irony here is that Republican Judge Attorney General Al Gonzales is a child of illegal immigrants (although, you never hear the White House using the adjective 'illegal' mentioned with "Al Gonzales" and "immigrants" in the same sentence. Stupid hypocrites.)

Well, if they deport Americans to Mexico, then let's hope that Al Gonzales will accompany me. If there were any bigger wetback than me, it would have to be him.

[stafffighter]

Yeah something has to be done about the practice of anchor babies but people who've established lives after a choice was made by their parents, not them, should be considered

[fli]

But why?
You were born here just as I was born here.

So why shouldn't any other child born in the US get the same rights?
It's one matter to enforce the laws on the illigan immigrant parents, but it is wrong to revoke or deny citizenship to children born in the United States.

[fli]

That's unfair--
And I wouldn't do that.

I would go to Canada. Eh...

[Talahar]

I think that if they do change the rule of citizenship, then it shouldn't affect those who already are U.S. citizens.

[Memorize]

Funny thing is that a friend of mine's parents say that all illegals and their children who are even born in the US, should all be kicked back to mexico (or as they say, "kicked back to shithole where they came from").

Im more along the lines of kick the parents out (if they're illegals) and the option to have their children go with them or not.

Yes, im mean like that.

[stafffighter]

At 12/26/05 08:44 PM, fli wrote: But why?
You were born here just as I was born here.

My whole point was that yeah something should stop the practice but people who are already grwn up in America should be considerered Americans. I admit I could have phrased that better. Like you said if they did this they would have to do it to the law man as well

[SEXY-FETUS]

if you come here 8 1/2 months pregnant and use your kid as a loophole to stay here before becoming established even then there's a problem. If you're here 3 years illegally and have a child that's a little different and your case should be looked at alot closer. Now if you're here 10 years and your kids are 5 then you should be allowed to stay.

[Politics]

I hate to sounds like a stereotyper but...it's those damn conservatives fault.
I guess that's not a stereotype though, because conservatism is an ideology

[InsaneStewy]

I see it this way...

the parents chose to come here, and have a baby here. That means if the parents leave, the babies leave :)

Now, for those that were here before that removed this "clause" can stay, but I don't like the idea of someone being born over a particular soil a citizen of that country. anywas, whatever.

[stafffighter]

Retrograting this law would be the same as going back and arresting people who sold 18 year olds booze before the age was 21

[HighlyIllogical]

That's bullshit. I am of the opinion that if someone is born, educated and has lived here their entire sentient life, then they are an American. Born to illegals or not, you, and others like you-our facistic friend Alberto included, are Americans, like it or not. Also, we all must realize that those who come here illegally often have no other choice and, of high import is the fact that they form a significant part of the base of the American economy-providing services that cannot be exported but otherwise would-gardening, manual labor, food service etc. Damn conservatives screwing up everything again for their nationalistic, KKK-esque "moral" values.

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

OH NO! Fli is going to become an illegal! It's only a matter of time after that before he steals my job!

Seriously though, I don't think revoking the citizenship of people just because they had illegal parents is a very good idea. It reminds me of the grandfather clauses they used to have in the southern states before the Civil rights became the big thing.

[HighlyIllogical]

At 12/27/05 12:44 AM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: OH NO! Fli is going to become an illegal! It's only a matter of time after that before he steals my job!

Seriously though, I don't think revoking the citizenship of people just because they had illegal parents is a very good idea. It reminds me of the grandfather clauses they used to have in the southern states before the Civil rights became the big thing.

Again, and WHOSE idea were those racist things (grandfather clauses, poll taxes)? CONSERVATIVES. Who else would it be?

[Memorize]

At 12/27/05 12:50 AM, mackid wrote:

Again, and WHOSE idea were those racist things (grandfather clauses, poll taxes)? CONSERVATIVES. Who else would it be?

Here's an idea, Boot out the damn, illegal parents! Or, better yet, boot out the fucking kid too.

By the way, my friend's Mexican parents said that. You know, the type of Mexicans who got here legally.

[HighlyIllogical]

At 12/27/05 12:55 AM, XmasTime wrote: Here's an idea, Boot out the damn, illegal parents! Or, better yet, boot out the fucking kid too.

By the way, my friend's Mexican parents said that. You know, the type of Mexicans who got here legally.

Hey, fuck that. I don't care who said that racist bullshit. People have the right to choose where they'll live as long as they are constructive, do work, aren't an unneccesary burden on the state etc. Hello!!! The people who immigrate illegally often have no other choice! What in hell are you thinking!?

[Memorize]

At 12/27/05 12:57 AM, mackid wrote:

Hey, fuck that. I don't care who said that racist bullshit.

Even if those who said that are Mexicans themselves.

People have the right to choose where they'll live as long as they are constructive, do work, aren't an unneccesary burden on the state etc.

This wouldnt be a problem if they'd get here, oh, whats the word im looking for...um...legally.

Hello!!! The people who immigrate illegally often have no other choice!

Sure they do. It's not like some imaginary force drives them across the border.

What in hell are you thinking!?

What the hell are you thinking?

[Samuel-HALL]

I strongly support this incentive. I do, however, feel it shouldn't be retroactive. Pick a date, and say 'anyone before this date can stay in America'.

As I've strongly advocated in the past...I support removing any and all incentives for illegal aliens. If that means taking away the loophole of 'anchor babies'...so be it.

[IllustriousPotentate]

Wouldn't such an action be an unconstitutional ex post facto law?

[MoralLibertarian]

At 12/26/05 08:10 PM, fli wrote: There has been a very strong push mostly by the Republicans to remove a clause from Section 1 of the Constitution: Birthrights. You can read up the latest news here...

But fli, you know that immigration is a huge problem, and citizenship for every single person born here may not be realistic anymore. For example: if Congress ever passes a guest worker program so immigrant labor is legit, what if Mama and Papa Mexican-worker have a baby? If there work is only temporary, why should that baby have citizenship in the country? Why should he, when by all other standards he is a Mexican?

I haven't heard anyone serious propose a revocation of citizenship to Americans born here, and I would not support it if it came up.

Sigh...most of this movement wouldn't be necessary if we could get illegal immigration under control.

[Memorize]

I think im going to pull of a democrat here and do what they do with my right to bare arms. And that would be that this particually law about birth rights is outdated therefore is in need of change.

[Jinzoa]

is that not kinda hypocritical seeing that All americans of birth are imagrants from europe?

[CasperNG]

shit youve been living here for 24 years and now you have to leave? most of the people in the thread are being assholes.try putting yourself in the position of having to leave your home, all your friends, your job-the standards and wages are much better here then in mexico- and going to live in a place like mexico where your life is woithout a doubt going to be a lot..."shittier". It just isnt fair because the kids fdid nothing wrong who were and are growing up here and now they have to suffer for their parents kmistakes.It just isnt fair...but hey lifes unfair right? even to the point where your whole world is fucked over just cause some "Pure Americans" want it to. See this is why everyone who says votings stupid are retards. You dont vote and you get dumbasses like these stinking up the country.

[JoS]

Wait, if they get rid of birthrights, if someone is born in the US but has no birthright in the country, where are they a citizen of? Or do they have no standing in the world in any country?

[Memorize]

At 12/27/05 03:38 PM, CasperNG wrote: shit youve been living here for 24 years and now you have to leave? most of the people in the thread are being assholes.

Im not talking about people who've been here for 24 years. Im talking about people who've been here for only, say, 1-3 years. Then if that's the case, then both the illegal parents and their child should be booted back to Mexico.

Altho, I think illegal parents who've been here even for a very long time should be kicked back to mexico now.

[ReiperX]

I would hope they would have a grandfather clause in this.

Personally, I don't agree with the if you are born here you are automatically an american citizen <no offense meant to you Fli> but I also think that there should be a grandfather clause because there is no reason to deport all of the people already given legal status by the current law.

Change the law, make it effect the future people breaking it, but its stupid to punish those that actually did it legally when it was legal. Its like if they made masterbation illegal fining everyone who ever masterbated before the law was ever put into place in the first place.

[Raptorman]

Any law that changed the citizenship by birthright would undoubtedly run afoul of the 14th amendment and be struck down in court. The solution to the "anchor baby" problem would be to allow the child citizenship as usual, boot the parents, and change the statue of the crime of illegal residence to one that would disallow entry or petition for residency in the US.

This should only require an adjustment of INS policy, wouldn't even require congressional approval, and would allow risk adverse politicians to distance themselves the predictable calls of racism that so many fall back on.

[Proteas]

You see, this is what happens when you look to Europe and such for judicial decisions and role models. It's my understanding that England did the very same thing years ago.

this is when my mother would pipe up and say "What goes around comes around and bites you in the ASS."

[morefngdbs]

Two wrongs don't make it right.
Your people entered illegally, its unfortunate they felt that they couldn't go through the proper channels.
And I can definately see them being deported if they get 'caught' and having to take their new baby back to where they came from.
But not after living there all these years.
Esp. if as you post 20 +, good luck.
And as to coming to Canada, come on up, atleast you get no flak here on sexuality and are free to marry / divorce whoever you please.

[Draconias]

At 12/27/05 08:06 PM, morefngdbs wrote: And as to coming to Canada... are free to marry / divorce whoever you please.

Not quite. You still can't practice polygamy or marry people younger than 12, but there's lobbying to change them!