Another Columbine?

[TehChahlesh]

Everyone will emember the day in April of 1999 when two mentall disturbed children shot-up thei school and then killed themselves, this was a horrific event and we knew it. But what did we do about it? Did we do anything? What is stopping another columbine from happening? Please tell m e if you know of anything.

[Me-Patch]

There was nothing, and there is nothing we can do to provent school shootings. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold wanted to be famous so they shot up their school. What can anyone do to provent that. Nothing short of arming teachers.

[RedScorpion]

At 12/24/05 11:14 PM, The_Tank wrote: Nothing short of arming teachers.

Lol, I love how some people believe that the solution to preventing acts of violence is to arm everyone and anyone in harms way. Stopping the problem before it happens is more effective than handling it once it's reached a critical stage.

Maybe some social programs would help allieviate the problem before it happens. As a final question - why do you [everyone] think they brought themselves to commiting that act in the first place?

Arm the Homeless!

[Me-Patch]

At 12/24/05 11:25 PM, RedScorpion wrote: Maybe some social programs would help allieviate the problem before it happens. As a final question - why do you [everyone] think they brought themselves to commiting that act in the first place?

Iv'e read up on Colombine quite a bit, and the problem with social programs is that no one saw that shit comin. I'm sure they were subjected to the same social programs as any child going through public school, all those anti violance and drug talks they make you sit through, and that obviously didn't do shit.

There realy were no warning signs, especially from Harris. He's been said to have been a nice kid, but in all actuallity he was a dangerous socio-path. Although he was a polite and intelligent young man he had absolutely no regard for human life or the respect and moral treatment other people deserved. Klebold had alot of anger management issues, but not much worse than most teenagers. He probably would have been harmless had he not hooked up with Harris.
They did it for the fame. They wanted national recognition and they sure as Hell got it.

As for the various myths.
1 They were not targeting Bullies or Jocks, they shot up the cafeteria and the LIBRARY, two very indiscriminate areas particularly the Library, how many jocks hang out there.
2 They weren't Goths or Manson fans, if you really want to blame a media source blame the movie Natural Born Killers, they were huge fans of the movie, and they even nicknamed the shootings the NBK Shooting.
3 They weren't members of any gang or Trenchcoat Mafia.
4 The Colombine shooting was NOT a shooting, it was a failed bombing. Their crappy home made bombs never went off so they resorted to plan B.

I can;t think of anymore right now, but I probably will later.

[Elfer]

Actually at one point they did call out the jocks, they just killed a shitload of other people too.

And yeah, if the bombs did go off, pretty much everyone would have died. Good thing they were incompetent pyrotechnicians.

[Me-Patch]

At 12/24/05 11:52 PM, Elfer wrote: Actually at one point they did call out the jocks, they just killed a shitload of other people too.

Yeah they did say "all the jocks stand up" or something, but I still don't think they were soley targetting jocks. Their freinds even said they were never really bullied.

And yeah, if the bombs did go off, pretty much everyone would have died. Good thing they were incompetent pyrotechnicians.

Amen to that.

[RedScorpion]

Yea, I remember watching the movie on it - when the incident occured, everyone took positions under the tables and desks, following normal procedure... I guess they ended up coming around one by one to find people hiding under the desk for w/e reason - if they [the students] treated them bad, if they had some ethnicity that they [the shooters]didn't like, etc. I guess one guy got out with their permission because he always treated them alright...

Nevertheless, it was a horrible incident. In fact, a similar incident almost happened at a neighbouring high school of mine last year - the police had been tipped off to it and they found pipe bombs, handguns, rifles, and other accessories... they also fond that they planned to do it similarly to that of the Columbine incident, killing teachers they hated and students that they weren't too fond of.

Here's an interesting article about the two's parents (Columbine) actions after the tragedy...

'The parents of Columbine High School gunman Dylan Klebold have stunned authorities by filing court papers blaming them for failing to prevent the teen’s murderous rampage.
According to the New York Post, (Columbine HS Killers) in a bizarre twist of the blame game, Susan and Thomas Klebold served notice of their intent to sue the Jefferson County sheriff’s department and school district.

They contend that if investigators had told them about their son’s Internet rantings and his friend’s violent tendencies, they would have kept the two boys apart and prevented the mass murder. (Klebold family)

Others contend Klebold’s parents should have been aware of their son’s activities, including shotguns in gym bags and pipe bombs in the closet.'

http://www.calahouston.org/best.html

[NighteenEighty]

Im worried some sadistic kids in my school are gonna go collumbine one day. lol

[Stormwarden]

The parents could have prevented it. One of them saw a sawed-off shotgun on the dresser of one of the shooters, but did nothing.

Marilyn Manson and Doom (the PC Game) were just convenient scapegoats to where the true responsibility lied: those who knew what they were about to do but did nothing to stop it.

Those two broke 16 gun laws when they went in there. 16! Gun laws did jack to prevent them from shooting up the place.

Does this make people think? If so, then I did my job.

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

If Doom was the way they trained to kill, they wouldn't have gotten far. The main tactic in doom is to do the 'circle strafe' which involves circling around an opponent while shooting at them.

[Lucky-Mabey]

Pluss if it were doom they would be shooting up deamons not students and I'm pro deamon slaying. Yes but I believe there should be something to protect students nowaydays. The only thing my school has is a dress code policy... WHICH HELPS NOTHING.

[extremegamer2491]

These kids were fuckeded up. Noone is to blame but them. Even if they got the so called "attention" from teachers and parents and shit, they probably still would have done it. They did if for the fame, and that's it.
Noone is going to do anything about it, because noone really can. And if they do, it will be after another on happens. And still, whatever they do probably won't work. The media and parents will just blame some thing that had nothing to do with it, like movies or video games. They'll try to ban those, but it won't help(and won't work, 1rst ammendment).
If they want to blame someone, blame the two fuckwads who did it. They were just dumb, and if anything from the media made them do it, than they were just to god damn dumb and immature to notice the difference between fiction and reality.

[Draconias]

It's nearly impossible to prevent events like Columbine from occurring, but I wonder...

What would you do if you were in one of those events?

Would you hide under a desk? Or stand by a door with a pair of scissors or the heaviest blunt object you can find? Or maybe get behind one of the kids and try to kill his ass back, maybe by strangling, using his own gun, or with a sharp pencil or pen? Or maybe run out of the school? Or hell, maybe pull out your own gun or knife and kill them for shooting up the Library while you're trying to do homework. Or, at the extreme, run them over with a car, even if you have to run through a large set of glass doors to do so?

I'm still amazed no one tried to kill their asses back. If someone tries to kill you, you try to kill them back!

[RedSkunk]

At 12/24/05 11:25 PM, RedScorpion wrote:

Arm the Homeless!

There's an idea.

[Blackhawkdown]

At 12/25/05 08:43 AM, Draconias wrote: It's nearly impossible to prevent events like Columbine from occurring, but I wonder...

Well, there actually were a lot of early warning indicators that could have kept the event from happening, but because of some bad parenting and some cracks in the system they went unoticed.

What would you do if you were in one of those events?

Would you hide under a desk? Or stand by a door with a pair of scissors or the heaviest blunt object you can find? Or maybe get behind one of the kids and try to kill his ass back, maybe by strangling, using his own gun, or with a sharp pencil or pen? Or maybe run out of the school? Or hell, maybe pull out your own gun or knife and kill them for shooting up the Library while you're trying to do homework. Or, at the extreme, run them over with a car, even if you have to run through a large set of glass doors to do so?

I'm still amazed no one tried to kill their asses back. If someone tries to kill you, you try to kill them back!

I think now people are more likely to act that way, to fight back I mean. Espically now with all the worries about terrorism. Personally if I ever was put in a situation like that I wouldn't want to sit back and cower, I'd want to react and fight back any way I could. Think of it like this, what if somebody had charged the shooters, maybe they would have been able to catch them by suprise, take one of them out, maybe other students would have dicided to help, maybe it could have been stoped, we could be honoring heros instead of mourning the dead.

[Markface]

At 12/24/05 10:47 PM, -Michael- wrote:

At 12/24/05 10:45 PM, TehChahlesh wrote: Everyone will emember the day in April of 1999 when two mentall disturbed children shot-up thei school and then killed themselves, this was a horrific event and we knew it. But what did we do about it? Did we do anything? What is stopping another columbine from happening? Please tell m e if you know of anything.

We blamed Marilyn Manson for Columbine but did nothing to stop him.

Maybe this time, he'll get the death penalty.

your not serious? those kids said that they done what they done because they were bullied, it wasnt manson. They just wanted someone to blame, someone to point the finger at because they couldnt admit that there kids bullied the living fuck out of them.

Yes they did do stuff, how about... check every kids bag untill they wernt as paranoid as they use to be.

[Elfer]

Bag checks were so stupid. They did absolutely nothing useful.

[Samuel-HALL]

Here's what I say, every time this idiotic topic comes up:

It wasn't Doom. It wasn't the music they were listening to. It wasn't there parents, or the jocks at school.
The cause for Columbine? Two mentally twisted, perverse, and monstrous teenagers.

Lots of people play doom...and they don't kill anyone.
Lots of people (almost everyone) gets picked on in school...and they don't kill anyone.
Lots of people have parents that don't care, and don't pay/give attention...and those kids don't kill anyone.

So if their parents had been different, are you so naive to think that this wouldn't have happened?

Oh, it might not have happened in a school. But it would have happened at their workplace...or at their girlfriends house. If all it took was a lack of attention, and some teasing in school....it wouldn't have taken much to spark the violence that occured.

Fact: Sane people don't go on shooting rampages. I don't give a fuck what substances they abuse, or how much they're teased, or how little their parents love them.

Sane people don't shoot up schools. These kids had serious mental problems...and they probably had them long before the first jock called them a loser, or before their first game of Doom.

[SweatyWhiteGuy]

At 12/25/05 02:43 AM, Lucky_Mabey wrote: Pluss if it were doom they would be shooting up deamons not students and I'm pro deamon slaying.

I guess in their eyes, the students who bullied them were demons...

[Politics]

It hasn't happened in a while, so obviously we're doing something right. So as long as everything stays the exact same, we're safe.

[Me-Patch]

Bullies did NOT cause the Colombine. Harris and Klebold were not even targets of bully violance. The attack was a failed bombing, they were trying to kill every single kid in that school indiscrimniatly of race social standing or whether or not they were a bully.

SInce their crappy homemade bombs didn't work they resorted to plan B, and went on an indiscriminate killing spree targeting whomever they encountered in the cafeteria and the library. These kids knew where the locker rooms were, and they knew where the weight room was but they shot up the LIBRARY, how many bullies hang out in the library.

They did because they were both mentally unstable, Harris was a sociopath, and Klebold had anger management issues, bullying had nothing to do with it, violant media is a more stable argument.

[TwEaK123]

maybe we can have really big armored robots come in to every class room and search the students arming the teachers and have x-ray machines at the front to enter school just like the airport! problem solved!

[HighlyIllogical]

How about gun control, folks? These kids stole weapons from one of their fathers, a Tec-9 AUTOMATIC weapon. Who the hell are they (the parents) to own automatic weapons!?!!? Who needs a machine gun, assault rifle or automatic weapon of any kind except for cops and the military? Seriously! It's not needed to have a M249 SAW to kill a deer which can just as easily be killed with a .30-06

[RedScorpion]

At 12/27/05 01:48 PM, mackid wrote: How about gun control, folks? These kids stole weapons from one of their fathers, a Tec-9 AUTOMATIC weapon. Who the hell are they (the parents) to own automatic weapons!?!!? Who needs a machine gun, assault rifle or automatic weapon of any kind except for cops and the military? Seriously! It's not needed to have a M249 SAW to kill a deer which can just as easily be killed with a .30-06

But then zee Americans would lose a sacred part of the right to bear arms, and therefore would automatically collapse due to the ensuing anarchy that would follow!!!1!

But seriously, I agree, people do not need automatic weapons, even to protect themselves (if that would be the supposed argument of supporters of automatics)

[MegalomaniacVirus]

At 12/24/05 10:45 PM, TehChahlesh wrote: What is stopping another columbine from happening?

Guns being legal in school.

I swear to you that if those 2 monsters knew that everybody owned a gun in the school, that wouldn't have done it or they would have been shot dead.

[RedScorpion]

At 12/27/05 02:01 PM, MegalomaniacVirus wrote: I swear to you that if those 2 monsters knew that everybody owned a gun in the school, that wouldn't have done it or they would have been shot dead.

No, you know what - lets go even better.

Lets give every single kid an M-16, live ammo, on the first day of school. This way, nobody will fuck with each other as they will die as well.

Oh, they're not sane and don't care if they die? Well everyone will kill him/her before they have a chance to do so.

In fact, let's arm everyone so that crime will be eliminated!!

Arm the Homeless!!!!!!!!!

[Jinzoa]

there is nothing stopping another scenario like that but at best people have tightend security in schools and everything. There is nothing rally stoping other terrorist attacks, the only thing people can do to try and stop it is that they take precausions to ensure they would likley not happen again.

[HighlyIllogical]

At 12/27/05 02:11 PM, Jinzoa wrote: there is nothing stopping another scenario like that but at best people have tightend security in schools and everything. There is nothing rally stoping other terrorist attacks, the only thing people can do to try and stop it is that they take precausions to ensure they would likley not happen again.

Very true. There's no way to prevent determined terrorists and criminals from doing what they want to do. All we CAN do is try to stop them quickly and minimize the impact of what they do. Best way to do that for this case is to ban assault weapons and other automatic weapons that were banned until 2004, when the Republicans in Congress decided NOT to renew the assault weapons ban of 1994.

[CasperNG]

Well gun control has rreally taken a great affect -pissing many gang members off. Coming from a person who deals withg this kind of stuff more then he should. Gun prices are soaring especially the ones that you be illegally without a permit. an AK before Columbine used to be a good $200-300 now today the prices for an Ak are about $400-700 depending on the quality and the deal you are getting. The reason for the higher increase is because the guns are now a lot harder to smuggle because of the raised fines for gun possession.

[Free-Thinker19]

At 12/24/05 10:45 PM, TehChahlesh wrote: Everyone will emember the day in April of 1999 when two mentall disturbed children shot-up thei school and then killed themselves, this was a horrific event and we knew it. But what did we do about it? Did we do anything? What is stopping another columbine from happening? Please tell m e if you know of anything.

Actually,Yes I Do know somthing,that your a complete fucking moron,and nothing is stopping anything from another Columbine-like event,and no one should.As long as theres popular,stuck-up douches and whores,there needs to be some kids that fuckin put a bullet in their head