Alito will save us from the jews

[GooieGreen]

In a recent ad campaign, the Republican Party has been promoting the nomination of Judge Samuel Alito to the US Supreme Court.

It's the season when Americans celebrate our traditions of faith ... and once again religious freedom is under assault.

Why? Because liberal groups like People for the American Way and the ACLU have opposed public Christmas and Chanukah displays and even fought to keep Christmas carols out of school.

Some courts and judges have supported this radical agenda, but not Judge Sam Alito, President Bush's nominee to the U.S. Supreme Court. Throughout his career, Judge Alito has consistently upheld the Constitution's protection of free religious expression.

Now, these liberal groups are attacking Judge Alito because he won't support their agenda. Judge Alito believes judges should faithfully interpret the law, not advance political agendas. That's why the liberals are desperately trying to stop Judge Alito's confirmation to the Supreme Court, and it's exactly why we need him there.

Call your Senators today and let them know these groups don't speak for you. Ask them to support Judge Alito as our next Supreme Court Justice, because freedom of religious expression is everyone's right ... and not just during this special season, but all year long.

So basically, if you help get him his seat, we will save Christmas. Because we don't have enough religious influence in public schools as it is.

Should I be offended by how many times they use “Liberal” in a negative context?

I don't really care what religious path one follows, but I'm a firm believer in separation of church and state. Now, how can you say that the majority of the U.S. is being oppressed by removing Christmas Carols from schools? I was personally offended by the Jesus songs in my public school, and I was Christian at the time.

But no, we should ignore who this judge really is and make sure he's on the Supreme Court so he can save us from the sinners in this illustrious nation of ours. God Bless America for putting up with these non-believers.

Links:
The Committee for Justice
Listen to their radio ad here

[peedee]

If you don't like hearing tradtiontional Christmas Carols, make up some new ones and shut the fuck up.

[GooieGreen]

Yet another intelligent comment from a Canadian teen.

It's not about the songs, dumbass, but thanks for playing.

[peedee]

I was talking specifically about your little triffle with singing 'Jesus' songs. Thanks for playing.

[GooieGreen]

At 12/24/05 01:19 PM, peedee wrote: I was talking specifically about your little triffle with singing 'Jesus' songs.

BUT JESUS LOVES THE LITTLE CHILDREN!

No shit, pal. But instead of contributing something positive to the topic, you waste my time with sophmoric comments. Just stop posting now.

Thanks for playing.

Thanks for taking my line. Tool.

[peedee]

Wait wait... you post something that is slightly controversial, and I post in response to it... Hmm... What's wrong here? NOTHING.

As for the rest of the thread... I don't see what is wrong with having someone in your system who is an advocate for free expression... Seems sensible to me. People need to let stuff slide. The divide between what is deemed offensive and what is not is becoming blurred and yet more defined.

[MoralLibertarian]

I'm sort of like you in the sense that I believe they are making much ado about nothing. However, what if they did have Christmas carols about Jesus? Would that be such a bad thing?

Wouldn't it be great if all schools were private so we wouldn't have to debate about curriculum?

[Jinzoa]

yeah freedome of religous expression is fine but remove that shit from school as the whole church and state thing. I can really see people being opressed by it.

[GooieGreen]

At 12/24/05 01:26 PM, peedee wrote: Wait wait... you post something that is slightly controversial, and I post in response to it... Hmm... What's wrong here? NOTHING.

Comments were counter-productive

As for the rest of the thread... I don't see what is wrong with having someone in your system who is an advocate for free expression... Seems sensible to me. People need to let stuff slide. The divide between what is deemed offensive and what is not is becoming blurred and yet more defined.

Thank you. You should have said that in the first place. Though, you could expand the idea a little more.

In the case of the US, you can't let anything slide, given the current State of the Union. We're constantly losing rights and freedoms (our President admitted to wiretapping people, come on!). Every other religion is oppressed in our nation, but the only one that bitches about it is the one that has free-reign over things. Christmas being a national holiday? We get time off for that? And then the Moral Majority turns around and says that Jews in Hollywood are shoving Gay culture down our throats (no pun intended) and they feel suffocated? I just want everyone to be free to express him or herself, but in many states and school systems, it isn't just expression or displaying a religion, but rather forced assimilation.

[peedee]

It's all ridiculous...

It makes no sense. What people are doing is making things more complicated... You want free speech? Ok. You don't have to then get on everyones case about 'Merry Christmas'. You have your free speech. What makes yours better, or more appropriate, then the next guy?

"The divide between what is deemed offensive and what is not is becoming blurred and yet more defined.":

Everyday it seems as if we are getting something 'controversial' thrown at us. Let's go with how you tell people to have a good holiday...

Some groups want to hear Happy Holidays rather then Merry Christmas because it is offensive.

What makes Merry Christmas offensive? It's not like I just forced you to believe in Christ. I'm wishing you a happy holiday in the way I was taught to do so, and I think it is fine.

Perhaps I find 'Hapy Holidays' offensive because the word 'Happy' denotes gay, and thus makes me think of homosexuals. Maybe I am a homophobe. I am now offended, and because of my rights, I demand that it be thrown away.

Makes no sense... Things are getting blurry in what is offensive, and more defined in how the culture is seperating in the Wester World.

[MoralLibertarian]

Allow me to set you straight.

At 12/24/05 01:34 PM, -Gooie- wrote: In the case of the US, you can't let anything slide, given the current State of the Union. We're constantly losing rights and freedoms (our President admitted to wiretapping people, come on!).

Are we? More like we are temporarily trading a bit of civil liberty for a bit of security, which is commonplace in wartime. Don't help plot a terrorist attack or an assassination and you'll be fine, trust me. You'll still be able to go to the mall and buy your mom a present for Christmas. You know what does constantly cause loss of civil liberty? The size and scope of the federal government. I would ask you to reevaluate your position if you're so concerned about civil liberties.

Every other religion is oppressed in our nation, but the only one that bitches about it is the one that has free-reign over things.

No, that's not true. How are Jews oppressed? Don't they own the media, and Hollywood? How's that oppression? Muslims, granted, are in more of a pickle today because we are at war with radical Islam. But you can't honestly tell me that a little suspicion after September 11th is natural, if not justified. What about Hindus? They aren't oppressed. Face it, buddy, the only religion that you can impune or insult in this country with only a minor backlash is Christianity, particularly Catholicism. You can say that Christians are a bunch of hicks who live in the South, and you won't hear a united backlash against those statements. Instead you'll hear a right-winger complaining about it on the radio.

Christmas being a national holiday? We get time off for that? And then the Moral Majority turns around and says that Jews in Hollywood are shoving Gay culture down our throats (no pun intended) and they feel suffocated?

Are you complaining about time off? Huh. That's strange.

And Hollywood is one of the great alienators of society. You've got a bunch of moral, happy people who care about God, family, and Country in the US, and yet countries looking at us would assume that we are all a bunch of promiscuous, gay, and gambling men/women.

I just want everyone to be free to express him or herself, but in many states and school systems, it isn't just expression or displaying a religion, but rather forced assimilation.

I disagree entirely. Singing Jesus songs is not forced assimilation. Refusing to allow all cultures to reflect themselves, even the majority culture, is forced assimilation.

[GunCrave]

Sorry -Gooie-, but PCHoliday owned you on this issue. :/

[GooieGreen]

At 12/24/05 03:13 PM, 1WingedDragon wrote: Sorry -Gooie-, but PCHoliday owned you on this issue. :/

What the hell are you talking about? He didn't prove a thing. In fact, none of this is related to the topic!

Hmm, this was all about a Judge who wants to save Christmas, but now it’s about my personal beliefs. That’s fun.

At 12/24/05 01:41 PM, peedee wrote: It's all ridiculous...

Not really

You want free speech? Ok. You don't have to then get on everyones case about 'Merry Christmas'. You have your free speech. What makes yours better, or more appropriate, then the next guy?

Yeah, okay, but I said nothing about it.

It didn’t make anything more complicated at all. You just don’t buy and put up Christmas decorations at state installations. It makes sense. Unless you want to be fair and celebrate every holiday as it was intended, stripping them of the commercialism, dogma, and glowing lights, then sure, celebrate all of them.

"The divide between what is deemed offensive and what is not is becoming blurred and yet more defined.":

it isn’t blurred at all.

Everyday it seems as if we are getting something 'controversial' thrown at us. Let's go with how you tell people to have a good holiday...

Some groups want to hear Happy Holidays rather then Merry Christmas because it is offensive.

I don’t celebrate Christmas, so I don’t give a care.

What makes Merry Christmas offensive? It's not like I just forced you to believe in Christ. I'm wishing you a happy holiday in the way I was taught to do so, and I think it is fine.

If you’re wishing someone a ‘happy holiday’, then say it! You said it yourself. Drop the Christian crap and say happy holidays, unless you don’t care and you’re saying it to avoid a bigger conversation.

Perhaps I find 'Hapy Holidays' offensive because the word 'Happy' denotes gay

Little kids are happy when they get a Nintendo DS in their stockings on Christmas. Therefore, all happy children are gay, yet sad children are straight.

Maybe I am a homophobe. I am now offended, and because of my rights, I demand that it be thrown away.

Homophobes = Atheists and other non-believers of God? Great correlation.

Okay, what if I’m gay and I hate the British idiom “fag” for cigarettes?

Oh well, but it isn’t a religious-themed word. Like Christmas, which is about, OMG, Christ; Jesus.

At 12/24/05 01:47 PM, PCHoliday wrote: Allow me to set you straight.

I highly doubt a stoner is going to tell me what’s right and wrong.

Again, why did this have to turn into a religion topic? It was really about the Judge, and the rest was all me having fun with their ideology. Sorry if I wasn’t clear enough.

Are we? More like we are temporarily trading a bit of civil liberty for a bit of security, which is commonplace in wartime.

Don’t get a jaded liberal-demon started about that.

I would ask you to reevaluate your position if you're so concerned about civil liberties.

When the “leader of the free world” lies to everyone on countless occasions, you kinda stop believing him. Don’t be coy, you know the patriot act was bullshit. That doesn’t have anything to do with my views of civil liberties and how we’ve lost our rights.

No, that's not true. How are Jews oppressed?

Fox News. Seriously.

Don't they own the media, and Hollywood?

How’s that for continuing the stereotype?

Muslims, granted, are in more of a pickle today because we are at war with radical Islam. But you can't honestly tell me that a little suspicion after September 11th is natural, if not justified.

No. I’m not John Q. Public, so I don’t believe that every Arab is a radical who wants to blow shit up. But, if everyone took time off to observe (or have a chance to learn more about their holidays since we focus so much on the Christian ones), the people would understand that better.

What about Hindus? They aren't oppressed.

Hindus = Terrorists, or at least that’s what I’ve seen

Face it, buddy, the only religion that you can impune or insult in this country with only a minor backlash is Christianity, particularly Catholicism.

Yeah, because they’re caught up in their hypocrisy, lies, and scandals.

You can say that Christians are a bunch of hicks who live in the South

Evangelicals. Nuff said

Are you complaining about time off? Huh. That's strange.

How is that strange? I like school. I don’t mind working. Why, do you hate your classes? Maybe you should change your major.

And Hollywood is one of the great alienators of society

Usually, that’s the Christian side of the media with the bias, but that’s not 100%. But when I watch the credits and see a Christian-based company, and seldom, if never, an uninfluenced one, you start to think that the “Jews of Hollywood” that everyone talks about aren’t spewing the bullshit.

I disagree entirely. Singing Jesus songs is not forced assimilation. Refusing to allow all cultures to reflect themselves, even the majority culture, is forced assimilation.

Why should we sing Christmas songs if we don’t want to? I was sent to the Principals office every time I didn’t want to sing some Christmas song. How is that fair? I know that isn’t the only case. If someone doesn’t care for the beliefs of others and politely announces that they do not want to participate, then it is only fair that we can go quietly and do something else, correct? I didn’t go to school to celebrate a religion, which I found to be flawed, hypocritical, and immoral. I went to learn about Math and History; fields of study based on fact, not the writings of some monk who proclaimed that Jesus was, in fact, our Lord and savior.

But what do I know? Those are my feelings on the subject of religion, which I’m not here to talk about. I’m talking about how the right is saying that assigning this Judge will save Christmas and that the liberals, apparently, destroying the holiday.

[peedee]

Gooie... None of that wa directed to you. It was my opinion on all of it. I'm going to argue with you on it.

[LordXanthus]

I don't agree with all of their ideas, but I signed the PFAW's petition to keep Alito off the Supreme Court. His appointment seems like such a monumental danger to civil rights that I'll do what I can to keep him from taking office. The debate is slowly shifting out of his favor, and that pleases me.

[therealsylvos]

At 12/24/05 01:02 PM, -Gooie- wrote:

So basically, if you help get him his seat, we will save Christmas. Because we don't have enough religious influence in public schools as it is.

Should I be offended by how many times they use “Liberal” in a negative context?

suck it up

I don't really care what religious path one follows, but I'm a firm believer in separation of church and state. Now, how can you say that the majority of the U.S. is being oppressed by removing Christmas Carols from schools? I was personally offended by the Jesus songs in my public school, and I was Christian at the time.

oh i see since hes upholding the constitution he must be violating the wall between church and state! hold you were offended? whats offensive about chrismas carols?

But no, we should ignore who this judge really is and make sure he's on the Supreme Court so he can save us from the sinners in this illustrious nation of ours. God Bless America for putting up with these non-believers.

Please master tell me who the judge "really" is

[MoralLibertarian]

At 12/24/05 03:34 PM, -Gooie- wrote: I highly doubt a stoner is going to tell me what’s right and wrong.

Whoa! Where'd that come from?

Sorry if I wasn’t clear enough.

You're forgiven. That's what Jesus would do afterall.

When the “leader of the free world” lies to everyone on countless occasions, you kinda stop believing him. Don’t be coy, you know the patriot act was bullshit. That doesn’t have anything to do with my views of civil liberties and how we’ve lost our rights.

Patriot Act was a good piece of legislation. It was extended for another 6 months in the same "troubling" form, wasn't it? I refuse to accept the premise that Bush lied. It's history revision. I'm tired of the nonsense.

Fox News. Seriously.

That doesn't make an ounce of sense.

How’s that for continuing the stereotype?

I was just kidding.

No. I’m not John Q. Public, so I don’t believe that every Arab is a radical who wants to blow shit up. But, if everyone took time off to observe (or have a chance to learn more about their holidays since we focus so much on the Christian ones), the people would understand that better.

John Q. Public doesn't believe that either, but he is aware that the last attack on the homeland did indeed come from Arabs that were inside the country.

What about Hindus? They aren't oppressed.

Hindus = Terrorists, or at least that’s what I’ve seen

Maybe some Shieks were picked on by some citizens, but the government does not actively round up Hindu nationals and put them into internment camps.

Yeah, because they’re caught up in their hypocrisy, lies, and scandals.

The last scandal I can remember is the Catholic man-boy gropefest. You would sound like a lot less of a moron if you gave examples of what "hypocrisy, lies, and scandals" you were talking about. Of course, when you realized that there's barely any, you'd shut your mouth and not make stupid comments like that.

Are you complaining about time off? Huh. That's strange.

How is that strange? I like school. I don’t mind working. Why, do you hate your classes? Maybe you should change your major.

That may be your problem.

And Hollywood is one of the great alienators of society

Usually, that’s the Christian side of the media with the bias, but that’s not 100%. But when I watch the credits and see a Christian-based company, and seldom, if never, an uninfluenced one, you start to think that the “Jews of Hollywood” that everyone talks about aren’t spewing the bullshit.

I don't know what you're talking about.

I disagree entirely. Singing Jesus songs is not forced assimilation. Refusing to allow all cultures to reflect themselves, even the majority culture, is forced assimilation.

Why should we sing Christmas songs if we don’t want to? I was sent to the Principals office every time I didn’t want to sing some Christmas song. How is that fair?

I don't believe it, since you've lied all through the rest of the thread. But if it did happen, than your school is both retarded, and not the standard.

I didn’t go to school to celebrate a religion, which I found to be flawed, hypocritical, and immoral.

I guess the only thing you can follow is your own head, which is obviously perfect, consistent, and moral. Religion, like every other manmade institution can be corrupted. You don't have to accept religion in order to have a relationship with a God.

I went to learn about Math and History; fields of study based on fact, not the writings of some monk who proclaimed that Jesus was, in fact, our Lord and savior.

I'm pretty sure that you do learn about math and history. Jesus is also a major part of history, and therefore he's fair game. No public school teaches that the Lord is the Savior. We're living in different universes or something.

But what do I know? Those are my feelings on the subject of religion, which I’m not here to talk about. I’m talking about how the right is saying that assigning this Judge will save Christmas and that the liberals, apparently, destroying the holiday.

Alito is as good as confirmed. Thank goodness this great American will save the holiday of Christmas from the dirty, dirty liberals.