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FightingForFreedom

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In the past few years many lawyers like Mike Thompson and U.S. Senators like Hilary Clinton have had the proverbial sand in there vaginas over the video game debate. Many people feel that video games make people (mostly children) do bad things and hurt people. What are your opinions on this?


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Games rated mature are rated M for a reason. Parents need to acknowledge that. Most parents buy their kids games and don't even see what it's about. I think adults are old enough to discern the difference between non-fiction and fiction. But sadly children aren't, so they shouldn't be allowed to play them.

So if anyone is truely to blame it's the parents.

I personally don't find that playing games makes me voilent, or anyone for that matter. But study does show, that watching violent things makes us think violent thoughts.


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Good. I'm not the only one who thinks this.

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yeah i mean before the time of video games and rock etc, kids were all well behaved and never did bad things. Oh and there were never any murders and stuff. Its all the video games faults.


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At 12/20/05 08:37 PM, Missileninja wrote: Games rated mature are rated M for a reason. Parents need to acknowledge that. Most parents buy their kids games and don't even see what it's about.

Well that is the consumers fault. not the industrie's or the manufacturers. If a company sells a particular kind of blowdryer with the label "CAUTION - DO NOT OPERATE IN THE PRESENCE OF LIQUIDS AND/OR WATER" and then the consumer electricutes him or herself it is not the creators fault. Similiarly if a parent does not read the back of a game, and then finds a game is inappropriate for their child it is the fault of the parent not the creator of the game.

I think adults are old enough to discern the difference between non-fiction and fiction. But sadly children aren't, so they shouldn't be allowed to play them.

CHILDREN are capable of telling fantasy from fiction STUPID CHILDREN aren't. Thats why whenever you hear of a kid going on a rampage, and people blame video games, you always hear that the kid was unstable to begin with. There has never been a video game related shooting in which the kid in question wasn't unstable BEFORE playing the games. Also it is utterly impossible to prove that video games caused a shooting because there are so many variables.

But study does show, that watching violent things makes us think violent thoughts.

Well yes theres no getting around that idea. But similiarly pinning the tail on the donkey can stimulate animal cruelty tendences. Its a matter of the severity of what you are doing.

In a video game, when you decide to kill an enemy you press a button. On screen, a series of polygons which emulate bullet trails appear. Those polygons collide with the polygons rendered to represent my enemy, and those same polygons then emulate tje opponent dying.The important distinction here is that there is no gun, no bullets, and no enemy. There is a rotation of the control stick and a pull of the controller's trigger, resulting in a change of the onscreen display. That is all that occurs


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At 12/20/05 08:09 PM, SoldAsFreedom wrote: In the past few years many lawyers like Mike Thompson and U.S. Senators like Hilary Clinton have had the proverbial sand in there vaginas over the video game debate. Many people feel that video games make people (mostly children) do bad things and hurt people. What are your opinions on this?

On, for once and all, here has been no conclusive evidence that shows any direct relation to video game usage and supposed acts of violence. The thing is, everyone gets caught in the perpetual "chicken vs. the egg" cycle. Are violent people attracted to violent media or does violent media create violence in people?

There have been some tests that certainly have shown some slight increases in aggression seen in children who have been exposed to violent video games, but the problems with this studies stem from the aggression exhibited. Children where exposed to the games and then shown to attack a clown doll that in no way resembled a human being. So it is a bit of a stretch to say that children will then directly hurt people after exposure. And the problem with tests of this nature, is scientists generally have a mindset about what to expect and therefore tend to read a bit too much in the wrong direction when it comes to their results, but this is a systematic problem that doesn't just apply to this particular set of tests.

And the question has to be raised about other violent media outlets. When Columbine happened, everyone started screaming that the kids played Doom. And while people seemed to get really upset at the music industry as well (let us not forget Tipper Gore and her witch hunt in the late eighties and early nineties against punk and heavy metal) the focus stayed on the games. But my question becomes, what about the rest of the media? Are violent film not just as bad, if not worse, due to the realistic nature of the violence, in comparison to games? This is changing mind you, with the ever increase in technology that is making games more and more real, however this still stands. If you wish to attack games, you must look at the long history of violent film, and then later, violent television programs.

Police have also been asked what they feel about violent games, especially in relation to the
Grand Theft Auto series, which usually involves the virtual murder of policemen. The general consensus on this is that the police would much rather have people committing acts of violence there then in the real world.

If you have children, it is up to you to decide what games they should be allowed at what age to play. I remember my parents censoring the Mortal Kombat series for me when I was younger (as well as other violent media such as films and television). As a result, I am a very non-violent person. It is also important for people to talk to their children and make sure they can understand the difference between real life violence and pretend violence. If they have trouble with that, see that they come to an understanding you are ok with, or else don't expose them to such violent media. In addition, there is a rating system for a reason, and (to a certain extent) I think it should be enforced. I remember my younger brother (who was about 14 or 15 at the time) having trouble getting a copy of GTA: Vice City. But since he was mature enough to handle it, it was taken care of. He is another very non-violent person despite his ingestion of violent games.

Another element people fail to recognize is the level of realistic violent games vs. non-violent or cartoonish violent games. I cannot remember the exact statistic off the top of my head, but it was something like 25:75 in favor for non violent games. This may have changed, but I am not too sure to be truthful. However, it is the violent games that the media sensationalizes and thus get the attention. Do people get worked up because kids start shooting garbage out of a vacuum at monsters that look like M&Ms with eyes? No, because that is different.

People like Jack Thompson and Senator Leiberman are simply sensationalists who do not look at the facts or the rest of the media structure as a whole and simply scapegoat to promote their politics and gain support from the masses. Video games happen to be their choice for punishment. Were some extensive studies done by people with no political agenda or desire to flame video games and a form of easy scrutiny, then perhaps the issues would become clearer.


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wich do you think iz better...xbox 360 or playstation3?!!xbox haz the online stuff and haz all the cool extras that make it seem more like a computer than a gaming system!
but ps3 haz da most popular games probly.so wattiz better...i gess the world may neva
no.....until the ps3 cumz out and msoft and sony start heatin it up...wich there doing
now!!!but wen da new consizzles cum out...therez gunna be sum majer blood ta spill......
p.s.cum out sounds nasty i no...but who givsa shit!!!

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I base my opinion on violent/sexual video games just as I do on TV, movies, pornography, music....fuck, even books. And it is, if there is pornography on late night TV, swearing in music, killing in movies, swearing and sex in books, then what's the difference between those and video games? If you were to ban something fucking stupid like San Andreas and not ban all Tom Clancy, erotic, and crime-based novels, there's something completely biased and fucked up inside of your head. I usually agree with the Democrats, in fact...90% of the time...but in this case...they're being fucking childish over this.


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Childeren at the age of 12 should be put into an asylum and beaten and abused raw, knock some sense into those thugs and morons.

I hate young teens, they have no common sense.

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If you follow the ratings then none of these will happen. The ones who would be most influenced would be the kids <12 so they should stick with the E rating. By the time you hit your teens you probably realize that this is just a game. Its when you get 10 year olds plain M games that they grow up thinking that this is the way to go. This is partly the parents fault for getting them these games and maybe not talking to them about it.


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At 12/20/05 08:37 PM, Missileninja wrote: Games rated mature are rated M for a reason.

I completely agree

So if anyone is truely to blame it's the parents.

Yes.
Besides, I have a friend who does nothing but play San Andreas on his PS2. He owns like 5 bb guns (not the crappy plastic ones, but metal BBs). He has never in his life intentionally or otherwise hurt someone from what he saw in a game. He's like 14 and whenever he gets mad he goes to punch a pillow or shoot the crap out of a few cans. And, he's probably the most mentally stable person I know.


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What really irritates me are the people who say that not only can videogames increase violent behavior, but that shooter games actually TEACH kids how to shoot. How does pressing buttons and moving joysticks make you better with a real-life gun? What, am is the kid gonna burst into school with a gun and go "Down, Circle, left, up, X, Square!"?


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At 12/20/05 08:53 PM, SoldAsFreedom wrote: Similiarly if a parent does not read the back of a game, and then finds a game is inappropriate for their child it is the fault of the parent not the creator of the game.

Exactly, and its parents that are trying to get the gaming companies in trouble. Certain games are too voilent for children.

CHILDREN are capable of telling fantasy from fiction STUPID CHILDREN aren't. Thats why whenever you hear of a kid going on a rampage, and people blame video games, you always hear that the kid was unstable to begin with. There has never been a video game related shooting in which the kid in question wasn't unstable BEFORE playing the games. Also it is utterly impossible to prove that video games caused a shooting because there are so many variables.

Yeah, but I'm a mere 14, I was talking about kids even younger then me, that's thought patterns haven't fully developed. You know the 10 year old who tries flying like Superman and breaks his leg falling from a tree. But you are right, it's the insane kids who shouldn't be playing those games... at any age. That makes it more the parents fault casue they should know if their kids are stable or not.


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san andreas kicks ass!!!so fuck you if you think that teenagers suck!!!i`m 14 and a half
and i play vice city and up your arsenal(wich izent a very violent game)but who cares...
people shoodent be punished for having fun,in fact...they should be rewarded for it!!!
10 bucks a week if ya beet metal gear...7 more if you go listen to slipknot!!!and wether
yu like kids playin vid games or not...the fact remains that there r millions of gamers out there and therez only one of yu...so if yu wanna say that kids should be punished fer
playing games...then fuck yu!!!entertainment iz entertainment!!!besides...no kid haz ever
killed anyone cuz they playd vice city or san andreas...leave that up to the power rangers show to do that!!!

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People dont do that stupid shit because of a video game. They do it because they think they can get away with it. But once they get caught, they blame it on a video game to recieve a lighter sentence.


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At 12/20/05 09:56 PM, Missileninja wrote: Yeah, but I'm a mere 14, I was talking about kids even younger then me, that's thought patterns haven't fully developed. You know the 10 year old who tries flying like Superman and breaks his leg falling from a tree. But you are right, it's the insane kids who shouldn't be playing those games... at any age. That makes it more the parents fault casue they should know if their kids are stable or not.

Dennis Leary addressed this on "Merry Fucking Christmas". We banned BB guns because kids got their eye shot out. So he shoots a BB gun at a kid. The kid ducks. We banned electronic football because kids swallowed the pieces. He asks a kid to swallow the piece, she tells him no. We banned EZ Bake ovens because the kids burned themselves. He asks a kid to stick his hand in one and the kid does. So he calls him a moron and asks what the hell is wrong with him.
Either the 10 year olds an idiot, or his parents did a shit job of raising him if he doesn't realize he can't fly. Sorry, but there's a failing somewhere here.
As for GTA, I personally think every parent who brought this complaint up should be hit with a 50 grand stupid fee. The game is named after a felony. You don't need to be told it's violent. And quite frankly, which is worse... your kids pretending to be drug smuggling criminals in the mob, killing cops and other factions, and pulling off professional hits with precision....OR....pixelated nudity? If you said number two: you sir or madam are just too damn dumb to have kids.

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Heh. I actually learned stuff from games. I learned to speak English, I learned that there's something called WWII and a "Holocaust", I learned moral values and chivalry against the ladies.

But, because I'm a mere 16 years old, Killzone will influence my mind, and I will go on a random rampage with a machine gun I can happily buy in my games store. Hoo-ray.

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Yeah its true, i killed a man only minutes after beating San Andreas, i sat in front of my TV for 6 days straight getting three hours of sleep each night, and wanting more after the game was over i decided to hook up with some negroid males and go shoot a guy.


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At 12/20/05 10:07 PM, OPIUMSCUM wrote: san andreas kicks ass!!!so fuck you if you think that teenagers suck!!!i`m 14 and a half
and i play vice city and up your arsenal(wich izent a very violent game)but who cares...
people shoodent be punished for having fun,in fact...they should be rewarded for it!!!
10 bucks a week if ya beet metal gear...7 more if you go listen to slipknot!!!and wether
yu like kids playin vid games or not...the fact remains that there r millions of gamers out there and therez only one of yu...so if yu wanna say that kids should be punished fer
playing games...then fuck yu!!!entertainment iz entertainment!!!besides...no kid haz ever
killed anyone cuz they playd vice city or san andreas...leave that up to the power rangers show to do that!!!

omg please OPIUMSCUM just shut up and play your vice city like a good little boy. you dont know what your talking about.

anyway i do agree that rated M games are rated for a reason. and that parents are to blame for kids to act "volent" and thinking about "killing" people. i remember when i wanted to get GTA when i asked my mom she said sure. i was like "mom do you even know what rating that games is?". she didnt know what rated M is! i had to explain to her what she was suppost to tell me. i played video games for 7 years yet i never thought to actually kill someone. people should shut up about saying that its all the video games fault that so many kids are violent. they should realize that the games they are buying their children have stuff in it that they shouldnt see or try to react.


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I think Jack Thomson is a form of personal entertainment and a spoof of those non videogame bitches


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At 12/20/05 10:07 PM, OPIUMSCUM wrote: san andreas kicks ass!!!so fuck you if you think that teenagers suck!!!i`m 14 and a half
and i play vice city and up your arsenal(wich izent a very violent game)but who cares...
people shoodent be punished for having fun,in fact...they should be rewarded for it!!!
10 bucks a week if ya beet metal gear...7 more if you go listen to slipknot!!!and wether
yu like kids playin vid games or not...the fact remains that there r millions of gamers out there and therez only one of yu...so if yu wanna say that kids should be punished fer
playing games...then fuck yu!!!entertainment iz entertainment!!!besides...no kid haz ever
killed anyone cuz they playd vice city or san andreas...leave that up to the power rangers show to do that!!!

Opiumscum, I really wish that you wuld not post on this anymore on this thread because your comment showed incredible ignorance. You, unlike most teenagers, are an idiot and your inability to maturely discuss politics only serves as reminder to me that not all teenagers can make rational decisions. I sincerely hope there are not a lot of people like you in this world who intentional spell words wrong to act like your black and disgrace your self in front of the poeple who should be agreeing with you. Please PLEASE dont open your mouth again,


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Why are you blaming it on the video games when it's the kids that choose to play them and it's the parents who buy them for the kids? To be honest, I don't think games promote violence, I think they help to prvent it! Say you come home after a bad day, obviously you're mad. This has happened to me many times. I just sit in front of my PS2, blast Metallica on my stereo and take out my aggression on the game! It isn't b/c of the games, it's b/c of the people. People need to have common sense.


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At 12/21/05 08:39 PM, SoldAsFreedom wrote:
Opiumscum, I really wish that you wuld not post on this anymore on this thread because your comment showed incredible ignorance. You, unlike most teenagers, are an idiot and your inability to maturely discuss politics only serves as reminder to me that not all teenagers can make rational decisions. I sincerely hope there are not a lot of people like you in this world who intentional spell words wrong to act like your black and disgrace your self in front of the poeple who should be agreeing with you. Please PLEASE dont open your mouth again,

soldasfreedom thank you. you are the only n00b i meant who is actually smart, knows wtf your doing, and was able to shut that idiots mouths. for that you have gain my allience :D


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Buhdist Monk is completely right.

Video games are a positive outlet for excess agression. They allow you to take out your anger and frustration in a way that causes no harm to anyone. In fact I firmly believe that playing a violent video game REDUCES violent tendencies because after you play a violent video game your "Thirst for violence" (which was there BEFORE you played the game) is quenced and thers no longer any reason to harm anyone. Take this example.

The other day I was dumped by my girlfriend and it was horrible. I was so mad at her for a lot of reasons and I was really upset. I could have punched a hole in my wall (i've done that twice before). I could have gone to her house and hurt her. Icould have done something suicidal.

What i did was go on Newgrounds and play skullkid - pretending she was that fat boss in the last level. All my agression was gone. As you can see video games are a way to take out your angst without hurting anyone.


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I personally don't find that playing games makes me voilent, or anyone for that matter. But study does show, that watching violent things makes us think violent thoughts.

Well duh, I mean watching porn makes you want to beat it, watching happy shit makes you think happy thoughts.


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