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I think not unless its medical, it kills

At 12/23/05 09:26 PM, 2good2b4goten wrote: put thought into your idea, state why it should be

I think not unless its medical, it kills

They can't just say that two drugs are legal and the rest arn't. That is stupid. Alcohal can ruin lives as fast if not faster then cocain can. Alcohal leads to violence and stupidity. I know cause every time my parents drink more then a few they get all slurred speech and make me want to hit them. They are jerks. I don't really care cause I'll be out of the house in two years. But I digress. The point is that all drugs should be legal(over an age limit) or none should be. Cocain would be safer cause there would be no more dealers you would go to the doctors or something to buy it. No more sharing needles on some drugs. It would be alot safer.

At 12/23/05 12:24 AM, Samuel_HALL wrote: Myself, and all my friends, moved from pot...onto harder things. Much harder things. And don't you dare tell me that my personal experience is just 'governmental propagand'.

If marijuana didn't exist, do you really think that you would have said "Well, no drugs for me, ever!"?

At 12/24/05 01:10 AM, Elfer wrote:

At 12/23/05 12:24 AM, Samuel_HALL wrote:

If marijuana didn't exist, do you really think that you would have said "Well, no drugs for me, ever!"?

Well...ok. Good fucking point, Elfer. I retract my previous post.

No sarcasm intended. Honest.

At 12/24/05 01:16 AM, Samuel_HALL wrote:

At 12/24/05 01:10 AM, Elfer wrote:

At 12/23/05 12:24 AM, Samuel_HALL wrote:

If marijuana didn't exist, do you really think that you would have said "Well, no drugs for me, ever!"?

Well...ok. Good fucking point, Elfer. I retract my previous post.

No sarcasm intended. Honest.

You sarcastic sonofabitch.

I agree...it should be legalized. It's the same as cigaretts, literally, except it doesn't make you smell or makes your teeth yellow.

My dad takes a hit every god damn day, and he is the boss in an I.T. department for a newspaper company called "Rumbo" and is one of the most well respected people in his job. He doesn't smash dents into his car, hits my mom, or my brother or sister (he only spanks them if the y're a real ass), hell, he gets stoned when he takes walks on the riverwalk when he trys to fix a problem. He is no idiot, unlike all you ignorant fools with your "weed makes you stupid!!!!!1111" listening to those fat asses on pbskids saying "don't do drugs!!!!!!!!11111 *eats big mac*"

Marijuana should be legalized, there is no reason it shouldn't be. All you guys with your "well these guys get baked all the time and they're liek, sooooo stupid" obviously have to know those guys are probaly only 20 and overdose on that shit, but realize they're concious enough not to go driving around (like drunk people) and causing car crashes.

At 12/24/05 07:51 PM, cereal_killer11 wrote: Marijuana should be legalized, there is no reason it shouldn't be.

I've said it time and again and idiots just don't seem to hear it: Just because there is no reason it shouldn't be does not mean there are reasons it should be legalized.

You do not legalize something "because there's no reason not to." That's the worst logical fallacy you can possibly commit, and the stupidest one at that. You do legalize something when there are reasons why you should legalize it. Those reasons are weak or non-existant for Marijuana.

Oh yeah, just a little funny NYTimes article:

Rumbo (pronounced ROOM-boh), which gets its name from a Spanish word that means "heading to" - as in "heading to the United States" or "heading to a better life" - is betting that the state's growing Hispanic population is ready for a sophisticated daily newspaper in Spanish that mixes coverage of local news and sports with commentary and dispatches from Latin America.

The Hispanic market, of course, already supports fast-growing Spanish-language television and radio industries, but Rumbo's Texas venture is perhaps the biggest gamble yet that a large part of the Hispanic population will read a daily paper in Spanish. Spanish-speaking readers in most parts of the country have been the domain of small family-owned newspapers, in part because bigger concerns have considered the market undesirable.

So it is no surprise that Rumbo's plan has been met with skepticism and resistance from larger publishers.

We could devote an entire thread to just discussing how refusing assimilation within your country is a foolish, dangerous idea that only hurts those who attempt it.

At 12/25/05 08:51 AM, Draconias wrote: I've said it time and again and idiots just don't seem to hear it: Just because there is no reason it shouldn't be does not mean there are reasons it should be legalized.

You do not legalize something "because there's no reason not to." That's the worst logical fallacy you can possibly commit, and the stupidest one at that. You do legalize something when there are reasons why you should legalize it. Those reasons are weak or non-existant for Marijuana.

Actually, you've got it the wrong way around. You don't illegalize something for no reason. You need to take action to illegalize something. Keeping something legal is the non-action. The case for marijuana prohibition is non-existent. I'd hate to see what sort of police state you believe in, where things should be illegal unless decided otherwise. The government has no reason to take action and illegalize marijuana. Thus it shouldn't be illegalized.

Why should we legalize it? Simple -- to clear out nonviolent users in prisons to make room for violent felons. There. Now it's no longer a zero-sum game. It should be legalized.

Do you have any god damn idea how much money is spent every year trying to punish marijuana users?

A fucking lot.

That's a perfectly good reason to legalise it.

At 12/25/05 11:50 AM, Elfer wrote: Do you have any god damn idea how much money is spent every year trying to punish marijuana users?

A fucking lot.

That's a perfectly good reason to legalise it.

trying to regulate the sale of it would be impossible, would you go down to the shops to buy a pack of 20 joints when you could buy a ten deal from ur mate for the same price?

I don't know, why would you?

If you can explain what that has to do with my point, that would be nice.

At 12/25/05 08:51 AM, Draconias wrote: I've said it time and again and idiots just don't seem to hear it: Just because there is no reason it shouldn't be does not mean there are reasons it should be legalized.

Then tell me, what are the good reasons it is illegal?

Oh yeah, just a little funny NYTimes article:

Are you trying to make fun of my father?

At 12/25/05 02:31 PM, cereal_killer11 wrote:

At 12/25/05 08:51 AM, Draconias wrote: I've said it time and again and idiots just don't seem to hear it: Just because there is no reason it shouldn't be does not mean there are reasons it should be legalized.

Then tell me, what are the good reasons it is illegal?

Society frowns on Marijuana use. That simple fact puts you in the hotseat; it is your job to prove your side, since you are the one demanding change. If Marijuana was currently legal, it would be my job to prove in favor of change, but it isn't.

You need to prove how Marijuana is so good that we should legalize; I need to prove you wrong. Proving that it shouldn't be banned in the first place has no importance and has no bearing on this topic.

Society frowns on marijuana use because it's illegal.

Marijuana use is illegal because... society frowns upon it?

Ok, here's a good reason for people to use marijuana. It's fun. It's a good time, and it doesn't hurt anyone else, unless they frown really hard and pull a frowning muscle and may not be able to frown again which will ruin their livelihood and they die in a gutter because their only talent was frowning and now they can never become a world-class competitive frowner.

But shit, what are the chances of that happening. Twenty, maybe twenty-five percent?

many reasons have been posted as to why it should be legal as well as scientific research and proof that disproved most of the negative effects of marijuana that others have used in their arguments against the legalization of marijuana as well as proof that it is actually beneficial to ones health. yet no one seems to acknowledge or argue against those posts, all of you people who keep arguing against its legalization keep bringing up the same disproven facts or simply argue against some of things the more ignorant "marijuana advocates" have posted (these people don't deserve to smoke or argue in favor of anything and should have no say in an intelligent debate).

We must recognize, as with all drugs, there is an inherent danger. Marijuana is just as dangerous, if not slightly more so, than alcohol or tobacco products. Clearly, if those are legal, then pot should be legal as well, but merely sold by the government and taxed accordingly so as to avoid all of the problems of drug dealers and such lacing substances. I, personally, have no problem with pot, but I won't do it myself, as it's not only expensive, but can, and this is purely factual, cause brain damage, though only in higher doses. Look up the Shafer Commission (The Report of the National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse-Marihuana: A Signal of Misunderstanding) report commissioned by Nixon in 1974.

everyone has a different take on marijuana and with that this issue will never be resolved (unless we get a bad-ass president who legalizes it!)

Hear hear! And makes it taxed and sold by the government (so it's regulated and people don't lace it with really dangerous drugs).

good-idea but if i was with the government i would lace it with extremely adictting stuff like nicotine! or cocaine lol but the thing is the government always wants money do you think that if they sold weed it was going to be pure and not laced with anything?

At 12/27/05 12:38 PM, mackid wrote: Hear hear! And makes it taxed and sold by the government (so it's regulated and people don't lace it with really dangerous drugs).

That's not an issue in the Netherlands. What makes you think people would "lace" their pot?

At 12/27/05 12:56 PM, red_skunk wrote:

At 12/27/05 12:38 PM, mackid wrote: Hear hear! And makes it taxed and sold by the government (so it's regulated and people don't lace it with really dangerous drugs).

That's not an issue in the Netherlands. What makes you think people would "lace" their pot?

Why isn't that an issue in the Netherlands? BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT regulates the pot! In America, it's sold by drug dealers who DO lace it with crack and the like.

At 12/27/05 01:49 PM, mackid wrote: Why isn't that an issue in the Netherlands? BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT regulates the pot!

How does the government "regulate" the pot, smartass?

In America, it's sold by drug dealers who DO lace it with crack and the like.

99% of that is bullshit urban legend.

Tabbaco has been going for many years and has been deamed legall for centuries, pot on the other hand has not thus proberbley that is why it is illegal and named as an illegal substance. Sure one can debate about advantages and disadvantages such as medicinal or we would be encouraging kids to do more drugs, Fact is it depends on the country and the Majority of the publics view a.k.a fox hunting in united kingdom, same principle of majority against minority.

http://en.wikipedia...n_the_United_Kingdom

try here for more.

Maraujauna is a beautiful thing. It calms you down and temporarily ,mkes the world seem better. Why not make the world better and more vibrant? The worlds gonna blow up soon anyways. One day we will be all dead and there will be all the things that we've never tried and i believe that life should be fun, yes i believe in reincarnation but if your gonna have fun in this life you might as well not have any fun in your next life ; D that is of course...if you follow my philosophy and have fun in every life and then leave your depressinggness for yor last life-heh heh video games- then whatever go for it. Weed is good!...Ill also comment on thje fact that I m sort of like a virus. people who say"TEH WEED BAD, BOOKS GOOD" are fags because they havent tried it. how can you comment on something you have never tried? all the people who ive introduced weed to love it. Of course it took some convincing but yee. But only liike half the people ended making a habit out of it. Its your choice if you want to make it a habit or not. No ones goonna force a Weed pipe into your mouth and say "smoke this or im going to rape you". People who are really against weed are being more pushy then the people who do weed. How ae my "habits bothering you?". this is a conversation i had with a person at a random bus stop the other day.
Me:*Smoking the stuff*
Random person: You know weeds bad for you right?
me: Do i know you?
RP: no..
me:....
RP*turns around and starts talking to his wife*stupid kids doing weed
His Wife:did you tell him that ist bad for him?
RP:ye i did
me:seriously fuck off what is it to you what i do*blow a cloud of smoke into his face and walk onto the bus*

So seriously peoiple have got to shut their mouth and stop trying to Nay Say drugs.

how can we say killing is wrong we have never killed before?

At 12/19/05 05:34 PM, red_skunk wrote:

At 12/19/05 11:09 AM, Imperator wrote: Can we start discussing HOW to legalize it instead of blowing hot air around? I can't stand lots of talk with no action.....
At 12/19/05 12:34 PM, Judge_Dredd wrote: sheez, i mean RED just finished touring Amsterdam.. leik what more ACTION do you want from us? :)

=P

I think the Netherlands has an interesting scheme working. Decriminalization of less than five grams. Gov't sanctioned stores (in the case of NL -- 'coffeeshops') sell it. I haven't done a whole lotta research, but I imagine the growers must obtain special permits.

The path to legalization? Probably going to occur slowly, on the state level. We've already seen some strides -- a number of states have legalized medical marijuana, and the recent legislation in Denver. Etc. It's a slow process, I don't think anyone should expect the Supreme Court to suddenly repeal prohibition. Cause that ain't likely to happen.

At 12/19/05 12:48 PM, mrdurgan wrote:

drugs like alchohol and nicotine are much worse medically and socially, but because they can be mass produced in factories its OK.

Sorry, but tobacco is not produced in factories. It's grown, just like marijuana.

OK, OK- not the actual tobacco but cigarettes are. fine! i was wrong, i admit.

At 12/27/05 04:11 PM, CasperNG wrote: me:seriously fuck off what is it to you what i do*blow a cloud of smoke into his face and walk onto the bus*

See, acting like that is kind of what makes people hate marijuana users. Cut that shit out.

People have the right to do whatever they want to themselves. If this includes something harmful, it is still their lives and they can do what they want with it. Those who partake in the deadly activities die off in natural selection style. People should not be told how to live their own lives, one individual's rights don't end until another individual's begin. Stated otherwise, people can mess with themselves all they want, but not with others. Should someone want to do drugs, even the harmful ones like angel dust, it is their decision and they are only putting themselves at risk, not hurting anyone else. Pot not only is nontoxic, but it is something that only affects its user, who should understand the consequences of it. Pot is alos abused less often than alcohol, a drug that is more harmful.

At 12/27/05 02:29 PM, Jinzoa wrote: Tabbaco has been going for many years and has been deamed legall for centuries, pot on the other hand has not thus proberbley that is why it is illegal and named as an illegal substance.

That's not true at all. Marijuana was legal up until the 1940s. Try again.

At 12/27/05 06:18 PM, red_skunk wrote: That's not true at all. Marijuana was legal up until the 1940s. Try again.

The reefer didn't cause anarchy then, why would it do so now?