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At 12/17/05 06:26 AM, Sarai wrote: A post for the Gold. Seriously.

Why, because it agrees with what you said?

By the way, Sarai, you actually don't have that much power, despite what you may believe. You'll notice the majority of angst-filled teenagers are girls who go on about their boyfriend dumped them, rather than vice versa.

Read both posts and come to this conclusion, why am i taking advice from a girl to get a girl? Espeacially if she refers to men as something to play with. Not only that, shes basicly in love with everything about her, i mean look at her DP for fuck sake. She loves the fact shes from a different culture and that shes had an intelligent boyfreind once or twice. NEWSFLASH! english do not use the frase "Jocks", thats stealing words from other countrys and im not proud of doing this one bit. Hmm... I think this is sexist and in the name of the dominant gender on this planet...MOTHER FUCKIN FAIL!

Well, another gripping episode of "Days of Our E-Lives." And by gripping I mean dripping, with melodrama that is.

In closing: lol internet, I'm going to sleep.

At 12/17/05 06:57 AM, _StillBorn_ wrote:

At 12/17/05 06:26 AM, Sarai wrote: A post for the Gold. Seriously.

Why, because it agrees with what you said?

Oh no, I never said I agree with her. I did however say that I see many of her points, as I have seen many, and I do mean many cases that prove many of her points true. As to many of the thigs she said, well, I don't exactly agree with her, but rather than trying to make non educated guesses and not wanting to speak from my own self-experice, I said nothing, after all I did say that I am too old to even care. After all, like may people say here, we're all different people. I don't expect that if I say how things are for me, then everyone else will be the same.

Actually, after reading your first post, i think this is probably the best trap ever.

Damn you to fucking hell.

Read both posts...took a while, but I did.

Burned badly by some dude? Lost hope in men? W-ell, as there are jerks, assorted assholes, etc on the male side of humanity, there are just as many on the female side.

Let me explain. See a dude on a sidewalk who tells a girl he loves her to get under her skirt? You'll see a chick on the other side of the road who's flirting with a fellah 'cause she just saw a great pair of shoes she doens't have enough money to buy.

Another thing? To judge a race, a genre, or in this case an entire sex for the mistakes and actions of a certain fraction of that same race, genre, sex, etc, is...pretty ignorant.

At 12/17/05 04:53 AM, Sarai wrote: . You want something different, something with flavour, something with bite. You want someone like me, someone who can tell you about the Karma Sutra, about festivals, pageantry and ceremony the likes of which you never get in your own country. That’s why girls who are Indians, Chinese, Japanese and so on are in demand. We look different, we sound different, we THINK different and we do the ‘sexing’ thing different.

That's not why you're in demand at all.
You've pretty much spoken from a point of view of someone's blog I've read: Sarong Party Girl.

You basically hold similar views.. you're basically Asian girls who've grown up with Asian cultures who are now immersed in Western society.

Western guys don't flock to Asian women for the culture or because they're sexing them different. You are right when you say that they are trying to go for something different . They do find your thoughts and physical looks novel. But to put the amount of weight into this 'flavour' and 'life' is just mistaken.

I don't doubt that women have power in a relationship but if you think you're special for the reasons you've listed then men have pulled one over you. That or you date or meet men who don't have balls and they deserve to have your heels twist into their scrotum.

Your opinion is your opinion and there's no point in me getting into a huge debate but thanks for fitting the Asian girl in Western society stereotype I've held for a long time.

Your emotional spew is what makes women like you funny. If you actually believe everything you've said, then you can keep feeling and becoming the victim you are.

You must have a really low self-esteem.

I pity you.

You sound like you don't enjoy sex, sex is used to please men, and that you have no personal ideas of what a woman in society functions except in that realm of man that you've created in your mind. You've pretty much based it all on sex.

As a humour article, it was made ever so more immature by the use of caps and horrible transition from paragraph to paragraph that made it look more like a 16 year old girl going on a rant about how men suck because she got dumped by her 26 year old boyfriend.

You know what - i don't care about all of that shit when a girl does that.

If i know she is a manipulative little bitch i will dump her ass - its nothing to do with feelings - if she feels she can mess with me on an emotional level she really doesn't know me.

Do you not realise that by manipulating guys and by screwing about with them their friends will realise - and only the stupid ones will get involved with you because they don't understand that you might well do the exact same thing to them?

At 12/17/05 06:48 AM, cylon wrote:

At 12/17/05 05:33 AM, Sarai wrote: One feminist post

Feminism is about equality.

Pbbbtt. Shows how much you know about feminism.
Feminism is about the power struggle between men and women and lesbians who don't shave their armpits.

Under feminism, all acts of man are against women.

Get with the program.

At 12/17/05 07:13 AM, Shrapnel wrote: As a humour article, it was made ever so more immature by the use of caps and horrible transition from paragraph to paragraph that made it look more like a 16 year old girl going on a rant about how men suck because she got dumped by her 26 year old boyfriend.

at least there are some intelligent posts roaming through this thread.

though, you never know exactly how it was meant to be written.

Well you have to admit that Sarai has really shed some light on other users personalities on the BBS, that is why I am kinda glad she is around to liven up the BBS.
Maybe that's why she wrote a long topic on a subject she knew was going to get a lot of attention and views towards.

At 12/17/05 07:15 AM, Shrapnel wrote: Get with the program.

lol! What?

Is this Neo-Shrapnel-Feminism?

I didnt read the intial guys post, but the part about it being equality was right. Feminism sprouted and grew around the concept of equality and is still accepted by all sociologists as that. Equality from the supressed feminin view.

Only extreme feminists would say something similar to your remark (which there was/are sects of). I hope it was sarcasm. lol.

At 12/17/05 05:24 AM, Sarai wrote:

People believe what they want to believe when I write. That's what I've seen on this BBS. It's funny. Denvish sweety, I know you have no idea why I am a mod, and this post kind of proves it. No one knows me, everyone believes what they want when I post. Either she's a bitch, or she's intelligent. None of you know me. Hah.

That's a pretty unfair comment to make.

Of course no one knows you because:
1) you haven't had a lot of time here
2) most people don't talk to you outside of the message board

Not only that but it's a stupid defense because anyone could say 'none of you know me' and you would have no way to really be against that because we only see what you show.

But, if we only see what you show, then we do know you and we do judge you based on what we see which means anything we say based on how you've acted is fair.
Being patronizing to Denvish by calling him 'sweety' is just another demonstration of why people hold the attitude they do about you.

Unless you demonstrate otherwise, people have their right to hold the stereotype they do about you.

Saying ' People believe what they want to believe when I write. That's what I've seen on this BBS. ' shows a lack of experience on your part. Of course people believe what they want to believe when you write. That's their interpretation. That isn't an intellectual statement at all but a regurgitation of what occurs when anybody reads anything.

At 12/17/05 07:17 AM, Myst_Williams wrote:

though, you never know exactly how it was meant to be written.

What was meant to be written doesn't mean that it can't be interpreted differently.
Interpretation is up to the reader's own experiences as well as the views of the time period.

But a writer can't tell everyone they are wrong for thinking something else. The writer can only blame him or herself for writing poorly or blame the time period for not having background of knowledge to draw from.

At 12/17/05 07:13 AM, Shrapnel wrote:

You basically hold similar views.. you're basically Asian girls who've grown up with Asian cultures who are now immersed in Western society.

Western guys don't flock to Asian women for the culture or because they're sexing them different. You are right when you say that they are trying to go for something different . They do find your thoughts and physical looks novel. But to put the amount of weight into this 'flavour' and 'life' is just mistaken.

You do make a good point and I guess I should have said something about that. It's true, not because a girl is Asian does she do things differently. I have known many many Asian girls, some in intimacy level, some were boring, some were cool, but I can't say that it was any different than knowing White women, Black women and Hispanic women. As far as the sex is concerned, I am not going to pint fingers and say that anyne was better than the other, that'd just start a flame war, but I will say that every group had its very boring side.

At 12/17/05 07:19 AM, Myst_Williams wrote:

Only extreme feminists would say something similar to your remark (which there was/are sects of). I hope it was sarcasm. lol.

No shit sherlock- what got you on that one? The remark about the armpit hair?

At 12/17/05 07:25 AM, Cesar_Barba wrote:

I am not going to pint fingers and say that anyne was better than the other, that'd just start a flame war, but I will say that every group had its very boring side.

Which was what Sarai was trying to instigate.

At 12/17/05 07:22 AM, Shrapnel wrote:

At 12/17/05 07:17 AM, Myst_Williams wrote:

though, you never know exactly how it was meant to be written.

What was meant to be written doesn't mean that it can't be interpreted differently.

That is exactly what I was saying. As your post on your view was much different than mine, but I still enjoyed your valid backed up points.

Interpretation is up to the reader's own experiences as well as the views of the time period.

Well, the views of the time are certainly irrelevant to the reader unless the piece itself centers around societal norms or society in general, I suppose. As everyone has their own views and mores, so generalized, accepted perceptions arn't always valid. In fact, I would argue that they are nearly never valid, because as much as we are conditioned in the way we act and speak... the way we think is most oftenly different (even if unsuspected, supressed, or unconcious). The 'id' - if you will - is an example of concoius effector. The individual decides on what stand they take in their mind, which is where they are in reading poetry/prose.

But a writer can't tell everyone they are wrong for thinking something else.

A good writer shouldnt have to. A good writer decides what is interpretable and what is forced (and how it is eased).

The writer can only blame him or herself for writing poorly or blame the time period for not having background of knowledge to draw from.

You can't blame the time period. Fiction is meant to be imaginitive... sure, you write what you know... right... so everything is rooted to something already accepted... so everything written is based on history (or backround of knowledge) because you don't have the capacity or intelligence to remove yourself otherwise.

At 12/17/05 07:19 AM, Myst_Williams wrote:

Only extreme feminists would say something similar to your remark (which there was/are sects of). I hope it was sarcasm. lol.

Seriously- where are your balls?
Tell me, have you seen a pure demonstration of feminism as you describe it?
Why do I need to post points when I can just use wikipedia...

Masculist Concerns

Masculists cite one-sided legislation, selective enforcement, and neglected civil rights as examples of discrimination against men (and boys). Other examples include:

* the government and feminist groups believing or teaching that anti-male discrimination is acceptable
* culture that conditions males to feel bad about being male
* child custody strongly favoring mothers in most countries; belief that children's growth is fostered moreso with mothers than with fathers
* men being incarcerated for the inability to pay unrealistic child support payments
* children aborted or given up for adoption without fathers' consent
* men risking their lives in conscripted military service (exceptions exist, e.g. Israel, where women are also conscripted; though they are not required to serve in combat)
* high-risk employment, but receiving no special honor for doing so
* biases in the justice system against men (i.e. - longer incarceration rates compared with women, for the same crimes)
* legislation biased against men (such as WIC and VAWA), using the word women in the law title
* men being charged in domestic violence cases even when they are victims
* men being charged in rape and sexual harassment cases when there is no evidence beyond the plaintiff's claim
* research and free speech repressed unless pro-feminist
* men fired from their jobs for dissenting with feminist ideology in the workplace
* males banned (or having accounts locked) from Internet message boards for dissenting with feminist ideology in the forums
* hate crimes against men
* humourous depiction of violence by women against men in the media, particularly castration and striking of testicles
* relative lack of funding for men's health; far more money funded for female causes than for male causes
* lack of advocacy for men's rights; more social programs for women than for men
* lack of educational aid for boys and men, given that their performance/enrolment at most levels lags behind girls'/women's; some states declaring all-male schools illegal and all-female schools legal
* special government agencies for women's affairs with no corresponding agencies for men's affairs
* earlier age of autonomy for women than men in some countries (In some U.S. states women may legally move out of their parent's home at 17, but men have to wait to be 18.)
* male children more likely to be killed by their parents
* men less likely to receive aid from strangers if in trouble (broken down car, harassed, attacked by an animal, etc.)
* women treated more respectfully than men in public
* widespread infant male circumcision

Some masculists consider feminist ideology taught in universities to be misleadingly labeled "Women's studies". Not all universities use this label; neither do they all teach solely feminist ideology. In some Women's Studies courses 'masculinities' are discussed; however, many masculists would suggest that these courses attack men, and do not teach beyond feminist perspectives.

Some universities, in response to these courses, also carry "Men's studies" courses. Some feminists see them as redundant, since they consider academia throughout history to have been predominantly focused upon the issues of men. Others note that most subjects do not deal with or study gender directly; and that few people would consider areas where women make up the majority, such as nursing, to be legitimately considered as areas of Women's studies.

I have to apologize for the grammatical errors I am making as well as misspelling errors. I have now been working for 21 hours straigh, only 3 more hour os work to go and I can get some sleep.
The question here is. Am I being manipulated by my girlfriend into working 3 jobs? I would love to believe not. Then again she works just as hard if not harder than I do. I am a lazy beaner after all.

At 12/17/05 07:31 AM, Myst_Williams wrote:

You can't blame the time period. Fiction is meant to be imaginitive... sure, you write what you know... right... so everything is rooted to something already accepted... so everything written is based on history (or backround of knowledge) because you don't have the capacity or intelligence to remove yourself otherwise.

I'm not talking about writing about what you know. You can blame the time period.

When you interpret something, you must consider the environment it was written in.

Anti-semite remarks in Shakespeare?

Sickness being afflicted from the Gods as opposed to some animal vector for disease?

How funny would Family Guy be if no one watched any of the things it parodied?

If we all believed that certain races were inferior to us, how could we possibly believe a story where a person of that race is a the protagonist who wins using his brains?
A bit far fetched but anyways I can't write more- I have other things to tend to.

Later.

no one really cares

At 12/17/05 07:39 AM, -Beller- wrote: no one really cares

You mean to tell me that the last 4 pages of posts are of people that just don't care? If people actually take the time to read all of these posts, then someone must care. I know I did to read all of that as well as other people.

At 12/17/05 07:32 AM, Shrapnel wrote: Seriously- where are your balls?

What? that was useless.

Tell me, have you seen a pure demonstration of feminism as you describe it?

Um... opinion isnt pure. yet, yes.

Why do I need to post points when I can just use wikipedia...

You don't. That has nothing to do with anything. I was simply f'ing around with you. As in, playing out the obvious to aid... that didnt even compose enough generalism to be connected to the overall narrative.

At 12/17/05 07:38 AM, Shrapnel wrote: I'm not talking about writing about what you know.

Yes you are. That is the whole point. Literacy is writing what you know. You can't argue any other way.

When you interpret something, you must consider the environment it was written in.

The writer can't consider that though. They cant compose the future. And even if they try, they base it on what they know. Plus, you are changing what you said now... you just referred to the interpretation (which refers to the reader), when the original argument was concieved by you referring to the writer:

"The writer can only blame him or herself for writing poorly or blame the time period for not having background of knowledge to draw from."

If certain things didint exist, or didnt unfold appropriately... you couldnt blame the time period on it, because you wouldnt know any other way. The rest of your points were self explanitory.

At 12/17/05 07:46 AM, Myst_Williams wrote:

The writer can't consider that though. They cant compose the future. And even if they try, they base it on what they know. Plus, you are changing what you said now... you just referred to the interpretation (which refers to the reader), when the original argument was concieved by you referring to the writer:

What? So then they blame the time period? Aren't you agreeing?
The time period colours the reader's knowledge. Are you saying that you can grow up in the 21st century and be oblivious to world events?

"The writer can only blame him or herself for writing poorly or blame the time period for not having background of knowledge to draw from."

If certain things didint exist, or didnt unfold appropriately... you couldnt blame the time period on it, because you wouldnt know any other way. The rest of your points were self explanitory.

How do you explain the allegory in Guilliver's Travels not knowing the government in Europe at the time?

You blame the time period for interpreting things incorrectly.

Why are cows sacred in Hindu culture? Could it be the cultural taboo with killing the cow in the short term to feed the family lead to starvation in the long term?

Why can't you eat pork in Muslim and Jewish religons? Parasites?

Did people vote for Hilter because they like his charming good looks or did they do so because they needed something to band them together after the setbacks of World War I and the pre-existing stereotype of the Jews? Yes, this is history but books based on that ime period wouldn't really make sense if you didn't know all the background now would it?
Movies all say Nazis are evil yadda yadda but are they really evil?

Does anybody even study Nazi Germany before watching Indiana Jones or do we just accept that they want to take over the world for no good reason by trying to find religious relics.

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Just as an aside on Asian stereotypes:

http://www.asianweek..ature_asianmale.html

'“It’s definitely harder for an Asian male to date a white female than for Asian females to date white males,” Kim says. “Asian males are not portrayed as masculine, whereas Asian females are stereotyped as submissive, exotic.”'

There- and Asian man said it.

'The 22-year-old thinks that Asian American women in general have an easier time assimilating into the mainstream. While interviewing for a job with a consulting company, Kim, a senior, says that out of 60 finalists for employment, 15 Asian American women made the cut -- he’s the only Asian man. “In the first round, there were a lot of Asian males. White males would prefer hiring and working with Asian females over Asian males.”'

More from that site:

'Fellow Lambda brother Kelvin Lin, 22, also prefers to date Asian American women. He notices subtle differences in how Asian women are treated as opposed to their white counterparts, especially by his non-Asian American peers. When he goes to clubs with his white friends, Lin says, he notices they’re more confident with Asian women, and their comments tend to have more sexual connotations.

“When they see an Asian girl, they say things like, ‘I want to get with her,’” Lin explains. “But when they see a Caucasian woman, they make more subtle comments like, ‘Oh, she’s pretty.’”

Though Lin feels uneasy when he sees an Asian woman dating a white man, he says he feels “guilty “ for judging the relationship based on stereotypes and his past experiences. Now, he tries not to be so critical. “As long as the guy is treating her right, I have no problem with interracial dating,” Lin concludes.

‘Asian women are sexualized, men are desexualized and neutered’ '

I notice this too with my friends.
They rank Asian women has 'highest' in their preference of women and definitely treat them differently.

Not everyone but this stereotype exists.

At 12/17/05 07:57 AM, Shrapnel wrote: What? So then they blame the time period? Aren't you agreeing?

How did you come to that concluson. I was stating how you contradicted yourself.

The time period colours the reader's knowledge.

I will quote you again:

"The writer can only blame him or herself for writing poorly or blame the time period for not having background of knowledge to draw from."

You say "reader' knowlede" ... when we were talking about the writer.. .which you started.... obviously, with that quote.

Are you saying that you can grow up in the 21st century and be oblivious to world events?

Again, I dont see how you derive that from my words.

How do you explain the allegory in Guilliver's Travels not knowing the government in Europe at the time?

I never read it. So I could I say, but it doesnt seem relevant to me.

You blame the time period for interpreting things incorrectly.

How does the 'time period' interpet anything?

Why are cows sacred in Hindu culture? Could it be the cultural taboo with killing the cow in the short term to feed the family lead to starvation in the long term?

That is irrelevant too. You asking questions doesnt make a point. State what you mean and maybe I can validate it.

Yes, this is history but books based on that ime period wouldn't really make sense if you didn't know all the background now would it?

Exactly what I said. "What you know"... you keep contradicting. Its confusing me.

Movies all say Nazis are evil yadda yadda but are they really evil?

no. not evil. they are patriotic and loyal. hitler could be considered evil. I see him as a genious with extremist ways and prejudicial notions. Take away his bias, and descrimination... take away hes extreme attitude and antics... and you have what could have been a man of history... but in a positive light.

Does anybody even study Nazi Germany before watching Indiana Jones or do we just accept that they want to take over the world for no good reason by trying to find religious relics.

Ask people...

and I think you know your answer. Very few will study a movement before watching a movie based around that time. You (as in the average person) expect the writer and director to portray it for you. Movies are entertainment, not work. And if used otherwise, to send a message.

Seriously, you are the type of girl I would say no to from a long shot. You could be the hottest chick on earth, fuck it.

Many women are looking for a sensitive, open and kind guy. Well, also many, just go for the easy catch, and get hurt in the end. Say they never are only going for the looks, but make mistakes. You are the type that wants the better guys for the wrong reason. You try to get them on a leash and have them do whatever you want. Get them emotionally attached to you and then play with them, in the end fucking them up. What do you get then? Those men think “fuck it, I’m not letting that happen again” and go fucking every women they find, treat them like shit, and that for the next upcoming years because they think it’s not worth to get attached again.

So it’s the modern days, men think they are playing women but women are playing man, with that I agree. But still, I fucking hate your type. And men don’t need you, because there are better women then you, who are also intelligent, have the looks, but don’t fuck with you. For 2 years and 5 months I’ve been with the same girls. She is south European, long black hear, brown eyes, cute as can be. She has way more spice compared to all the other dull standard blonds around me with limited interest. She has been to many places in the world, she is intelligent, I can have good convos with here and she loves psychology. She is damn helpful and caring, and I would do anything for her. So you might think “she has you”. Yeah, she does. But, when I need financial help she helps me, she buys presents for me, she doesn’t mind doing things for her as I also do them for her, I can depend on her, she is open minded. She is the type of woman that you need to keep, and that’s what I’m doing. In our relationship, we are equal.

So guys don’t need you, period. Guys should avoid you. But keep playing around, in the end it is you who is going to lose. Looks start to fade, you are not that good as you used to be. I wonder if you’ll have a nice guy in the end. When I know that a women is like you described above, I don’t like her and she can go fuck herself. Am I saying this because I’m so scared of their independence? No, because they are playing around with nice guys, and nice guys just want to be nice. Just want to give a woman what others can’t give. And a woman like you destroys that.

And about that whole beauty ideals thing, I agree. But the rest, no. women like you should not look surprised one day if you get slaped.

At 12/17/05 08:20 AM, deurwaarder wrote: For 2 years and 5 months I’ve been with the same girls. She is south European, long black hear, brown eyes, cute as can be. She has way more spice compared to all the other dull standard blonds around me with limited interest. She has been to many places in the world, she is intelligent, I can have good convos with here and she loves psychology. She is damn helpful and caring, and I would do anything for her. So you might think “she has you”. Yeah, she does. But, when I need financial help she helps me, she buys presents for me, she doesn’t mind doing things for her as I also do them for her, I can depend on her, she is open minded. She is the type of woman that you need to keep, and that’s what I’m doing. In our relationship, we are equal.

Dude, you really lucked out there. It's been the same thing, with the exception of the psychology, for us for the last 6 years, and I'll tell you that I have enjoyed out time together inmensly. We have a lot of different like, but in the end I like what she liked first and vice-versa. Congrats to you deurwaarder, you are one lucky Señor

At 12/17/05 08:51 AM, Cesar_Barba wrote:
Dude, you really lucked out there. It's been the same thing, with the exception of the psychology, for us for the last 6 years, and I'll tell you that I have enjoyed out time together inmensly. We have a lot of different like, but in the end I like what she liked first and vice-versa. Congrats to you deurwaarder, you are one lucky Señor

Yes i am, and i should tell her more often, thanks =) . we also have many differences, but the feeling is just right. the comfort of knowing that you can open up yourself to the other and the other to you without any consequences is comforting. but opening up to something as the first post of this topic just sucks, only minimizing the nice guys on this planet.