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Would you join the Marines? Why and why not? I am curious as to what people my age actually think about it. Im tired of the news anchors reporting that no one wants to, i'd like to find out for my self.

I am far from your age, but someday I might join some sort of militant group, maybe for the stability or maybe for the training I can use in other work places.

I wouldn't join now, that's for damn sure. Bush is killing people for a war with himself, he treats troops like kamicazy weapons. If there was a way to end these wars America has been fighting Bush didn't want to.

At 12/17/05 12:08 AM, Missileninja wrote: Bush is killing people for a war with himself,

I wouldnt go as far as saying he is throwing our troops lives away, but I wouldnt say he is being careful.

At 12/17/05 12:35 AM, Velocitom wrote:

At 12/17/05 12:08 AM, Missileninja wrote: Bush is killing people for a war with himself,

I wouldnt go as far as saying he is throwing our troops lives away, but I wouldnt say he is being careful.

Agreed. Hes not being to logical about it. But its not as bad as it could be.

At 12/17/05 12:35 AM, Velocitom wrote:

At 12/17/05 12:08 AM, Missileninja wrote: Bush is killing people for a war with himself,

I wouldnt go as far as saying he is throwing our troops lives away, but I wouldnt say he is being careful.

That's just it. He isn't being careful, he doesn't care about how many lives are lost. I believe Bush cares only about Bush. He's a very selfish man, and right now all he wants is to win a war that isn't possibly winnable.

I probably would never join the armed forces in any way, as I do not think it is the most effective way to fight terrorists. I would rather join an intelligence service.

But for the sake of argument, I would rather be the best than just like all the rest

I would rather be the politician sending the marines to war

Im actually enlisting here in six months.

At 12/17/05 12:49 AM, BigChave53 wrote: Im actually enlisting here in six months.

Yeah my girlfriends brother is enlisting into the NAVY in 6 months too. And i've been thinking about the Air Force or Marines, i cannot decide.

At 12/17/05 12:46 AM, PCHoliday wrote: I would rather be the politician sending the marines to war

That's exactly why I hate how war is now a days. The leaders sit comfortably at home while others fight their battles. I wish war was exactly how it was in the times of Alexander the great. Where tactical genius was involved and the leaders fought right beside their men... usually in the front flanks.

Where the happiness of his men was sought out as far more important then of his own safety.

At 12/17/05 12:46 AM, PCHoliday wrote: I would rather be the politician sending the marines to war

You mean, a politician who tries at all lengths to come to a diplomatic solution to prevent having to send your marines to war, right?

I am in the Navy myself and very happy with it. I have my views on the war but they dont matter what matters is geting my shipmates home ALIVE. I love the service and intend to make damned sure that this country stays a decent place for my month old niece to grow up in.

At 12/17/05 01:02 AM, Missileninja wrote: Where the happiness of his men was sought out as far more important then of his own safety.

I would much rather have a militaristic strategist than a combat general as my leader. And I would die protecting my leader instead of fighting just to see him die.

At 12/17/05 01:16 AM, Velocitom wrote:

At 12/17/05 01:02 AM, Missileninja wrote: Where the happiness of his men was sought out as far more important then of his own safety.

I would much rather have a militaristic strategist than a combat general as my leader. And I would die protecting my leader instead of fighting just to see him die.

Yeah. But I still think the leader should be right their with his men. If he dies, then he died for the same cause of his men. That may sound strange to some, but it's the way it should be. I would rather be remembered for being a hero, then forgotten as a coward.

At 12/17/05 12:40 AM, Tyler_Durden0 wrote:

At 12/17/05 12:35 AM, Velocitom wrote:

At 12/17/05 12:08 AM, Missileninja wrote: Bush is killing people for a war with himself,

I wouldnt go as far as saying he is throwing our troops lives away, but I wouldnt say he is being careful.

Agreed. Hes not being to logical about it. But its not as bad as it could be.

i agree, he isnt as bad as stalin, but he is worse then the average president

They would never take me, I've got a bad back.

However given the choice, I'd rather be a Psi Op than a marine (assuming the Psi Op program is true).

Nope why would I?

I want to join the marines. So I can see the world and witnesss people from many different and ancient cultures, and kill them. I want to be the first kid on my block with a confirmed kill.

At 12/17/05 12:50 AM, Tyler_Durden0 wrote:

At 12/17/05 12:49 AM, BigChave53 wrote: Im actually enlisting here in six months.

Yeah my girlfriends brother is enlisting into the NAVY in 6 months too. And i've been thinking about the Air Force or Marines, i cannot decide.

Yeah me too, Im bot sure which one either. If I join the air force I would really like to fly. I just took the asvab to but im not sure what score you need to join the airforce. I know you need like a 30 for the marine but i would think that the air force would need smarter people.

At 12/17/05 01:44 PM, Papa_Smuff wrote:

i would think that the air force would need smarter people.

most deffinatly, they wont just hand a $5 billion fighter jet to any idiot, its not like just being handed and M-16.

They don't let enlisted people fly jets, you have to prove that you're responsible by having a college degree, which qualifies you to be an officer, which lets you become a pilot.

At 12/17/05 01:44 PM, Papa_Smuff wrote:

At 12/17/05 12:50 AM, Tyler_Durden0 wrote:

At 12/17/05 12:49 AM, BigChave53 wrote: Im actually enlisting here in six months.

Yeah my girlfriends brother is enlisting into the NAVY in 6 months too. And i've been thinking about the Air Force or Marines, i cannot decide.

Yeah me too, Im bot sure which one either. If I join the air force I would really like to fly. I just took the asvab to but im not sure what score you need to join the airforce. I know you need like a 30 for the marine but i would think that the air force would need smarter people.

Sorry bubba gotta have a Degree to fly in any of the branches, its called being an officer, you get to wear shiney things on your collar and people are suppose to salute you and shit.

Anyways, I joined the Marines, I spent 5 years in the Marines. Its not all its cracked up to be, but very few things are. Bootcamp is pretty much all mental, its not that rough. I decided that I didn't wish to be a part of the Marines so I got out when my contract was up, $20,000 reinlistment bonus wasn't worth going to go play in the sand box and give up another 4 years of my life. I didn't like a lot of it, I hate to play petty games because people get bored, I'd rather get my job done and go home. But its not all bad either, it all depends on what you are looking for. Just don't expect to be Rambo or anything, or don't expect to be like the ones you see on TV like on Sniper and stuff. Not quite like that.

I've done about three years of Navy, I've had a really good time so far, but I've been very lucky. People get really bored at sea and unless you can really bond with the guys you work with you'll hate life. I can't make any claims about other services, but if you're into nerdy stuff and do well on the ASVAB, you can get into a nerdy rating and hang out with mostly nerdy people. There are a lot of people in the Navy who dropped out of college because they didn't have the discipline they needed.

If you do join the Navy, all I can say is that when you get to a ship, try to volunteer for Mail Buoy watch. The Mail buoy is really important to morale and if you're the guy who is in charge people will try not to give you a hard time. It's great if you've got good eyes, but for god's sake, make sure you find the buoy, even if it's not your fault, you'll get blamed for the lack of mail.

At 12/17/05 12:46 AM, PCHoliday wrote: I would rather be the politician sending the marines to war

Even if you arent serious, I will address this.

If you cant see yourself down in the trenches with the men you sent off to war, you shouldnt have that power. You shouldnt be any sort of leader.

If that is true, I sure as hell would never want you to lead me in any endeavor. That sort of elitist attitude is what would strike me as making someone the type of person that would step all over me to further themselves. I really dont like those people.

At 12/17/05 12:41 AM, Missileninja wrote: That's just it. He isn't being careful, he doesn't care about how many lives are lost. I believe Bush cares only about Bush. He's a very selfish man, and right now all he wants is to win a war that isn't possibly winnable.

Ive always wondered how people know such things.

How does the basis of you political beliefs rest on usupportable opinoin of a man you have never met and dont know his personality? How?

Sometimes humans are way to illogical in decisions about crap like this. Thats the reason we have the retard leaders we have today. Emotions manifest themselves where they souldnt.

I don't know if I agree, I've been the bottom of the barrel peon. I'd really like to be the guy who sits in the office and makes policy decisions, I'd drink coffee all day and go home to a really big bed in my house. That sounds really awesome compared to the crap jobs at the bottom.

my great uncle was a marine that fought in 'nam so I'm thinking about joining it too

At 12/17/05 06:52 PM, SephirothX03 wrote: my great uncle was a marine that fought in 'nam so I'm thinking about joining it too

so you can be another statistic? one of the thousands of young men america has sacraficed in needless wars?

not that i have anything against soldiers, i respect what they do and their personal reasons for it, i just dont like how they are treated as pawns by the government.

well ur gonna die someday, better to die for something then to live for nothing, and another part of it is that I actually love my country and will come and fight for it when cary taliban bitches come and blow people up strapped with bombs, I'm not just going to rally to stop war with Iraq because other indian ppl that live here think we are killing innocent ppl, plz they are the ones killing inncoent ppl why should we stay back and get out of Iraq why, for them jsut to do it again, i think not. Im out

At 12/17/05 07:20 PM, SephirothX03 wrote: well ur gonna die someday, better to die for something then to live for nothing, and another part of it is that I actually love my country and will come and fight for it when cary taliban bitches come and blow people up strapped with bombs, I'm not just going to rally to stop war with Iraq because other indian ppl that live here think we are killing innocent ppl, plz they are the ones killing inncoent ppl why should we stay back and get out of Iraq why, for them jsut to do it again, i think not. Im out

ill try to ignor the idiocy of that post for a second and give you a few facts so that you dont embaras yousef in public like that agin....

1) the taliban had nothing to do with 9/11, that was al queda, who incidently america armed and supplied with training by sending CIA agents over to them about a decade or so ago.

2)Irag had nothing to do with 9/11, the taliban or al queda, so theres really nothing for them "to do again" as they didnt do anything in the first place to america.

3)and this is possibly the most important one, war is not the exciting battle scenes you see on tv, its not meadles of honour pinned to your chest, its not glorious or poetic in anyway. this is especially true for iraq, its not defending your country or family, its killing other men because you were told to, there is no honour in that, not in the way you are thinking. but then if you do actually join and are sent to another pointless war you will see this for yourself, but i hope for your sake and the sake of all those other men serving their country that your government thinks twice before desciding to sacrafice them

At 12/17/05 06:52 PM, SephirothX03 wrote: my great uncle was a marine that fought in 'nam so I'm thinking about joining it too

my uncle was a marine and died in Vietnam too but i'm not going to join up for the army or marines.

Frankly because i don't feel like dieing for a worthless cause.