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At 12/12/05 09:13 PM, Mrs_Banta_Claus wrote:
Well you are one of few that feels that way. Luckily the death penalty only requires a majority vote.

I don't think I'd find satisfaction in revenge. Nothing would atone for the loss of my father. Murder does not justify murder. He is not alone in this sentiment.

At 12/12/05 09:13 PM, Mrs_Banta_Claus wrote: Well you are one of few that feels that way.

It's not that i don't feel any hatred or resentment to the guy, of course i would like to bash his face in with a sledge hammer, it's just that i feel the anger is completely independent to the sorrow of loss, i would still feel horrible about my father, so it's pointless and selfish. But i don't really care, death is not the worst thing ever.

So let me ask you all. Do you think a prison is a place for punishment, or rehabilitation?

At 12/12/05 08:55 PM, Mrs_Banta_Claus wrote: So if someone shot and killed your dad in the back you wouldn't feel that his killer should be put to death? That it would be pointless?

Of course I would, to say the least, feel antagonistic towards someone who caused any harm to my family let alone murdered a relative. I wouldn't hold it against anyone who felt that the person who killed their dad deserved the same fate. It's hard to imagine anything worse than losing someone you truly love and care for to a senseless, preventable act of violence and I would have nothing, but utter contempt for that person.

Thats why ultimately, the decision whether the killer should live or die is not up to the victim's family. Our system is set up to have a subjective third party make the final decision, not someone who is grieving over the loss of a family member and is too emotional to make an intelligent decision whether someone can or can't be reformed.

I'm not going to argue about whether or not he is guilty because I don't have all - or even any - facts. I hope I've inspired somebody who knows nothing about the subject just as I do to do the same.

At 12/12/05 09:17 PM, protege-moi wrote: He is not alone in this sentiment.

I didn't say he was. Thus why I said "You are one of very few".

At 12/12/05 09:24 PM, Jercurpac wrote: Thats why ultimately, the decision whether the killer should live or die is not up to the victim's family. Our system is set up to have a subjective third party make the final decision, not someone who is grieving over the loss of a family member and is too emotional to make an intelligent decision whether someone can or can't be reformed.

Very true. I agree with this. However, the victim's and their families should always be in the minds of the jury/judges.

Anyway, back to the photoshopping! The Bedn/Wade pic is definitely the best so far.

At 12/12/05 09:28 PM, Mrs_Banta_Claus wrote: Anyway, back to the photoshopping! The Bedn/Wade pic is definitely the best so far.

YESH!!!

At 12/12/05 09:28 PM, Mrs_Banta_Claus wrote: Anyway, back to the photoshopping! The Bedn/Wade pic is definitely the best so far.

it's actually more like the only one so far

At 12/12/05 08:55 PM, Mrs_Banta_Claus wrote:

At 12/12/05 06:36 PM, ShittyPancake wrote: Killing tookie is pointless, and eye fro a eye make the whole world blind.

So if someone shot and killed your dad in the back you wouldn't feel that his killer should be put to death? That it would be pointless?

So killing him will magically bring the dad back to life?
he deserves clemcy, he will still die in prision, but he can still influence the youth with his anit-gang talks.

At 12/12/05 07:50 PM, -wwwyzzerdd- wrote: I hope a riot actually does break out here in LA. I need a new PSP and laptop.

Could you ship me one?

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease?

I made him invisible, oh wait, hes been invisible for 20 some odd years now.

If I new better, I would say you guys are being political....

I say photoshop the bastard and get it over with.

<3

At 12/12/05 09:46 PM, g0t wrote: I made him invisible, oh wait, hes been invisible for 20 some odd years now.

You're just too hardcore for all of us.

At 12/12/05 09:47 PM, protege-moi wrote:

At 12/12/05 09:46 PM, g0t wrote: I made him invisible, oh wait, hes been invisible for 20 some odd years now.

You're just too hardcore for all of us.

Do you just follow me around topic to topic?

At 12/12/05 09:48 PM, g0t wrote:
Do you just follow me around topic to topic?

Nope, you just lucked out in making posts that I would reply to in two of the threads I was reading.

At 12/12/05 09:48 PM, g0t wrote:

At 12/12/05 09:47 PM, protege-moi wrote:

At 12/12/05 09:46 PM, g0t wrote: I made him invisible, oh wait, hes been invisible for 20 some odd years now.

You're just too hardcore for all of us.

Do you just follow me around topic to topic?

and btw, my comment was directed at the mdeia mongoloids, that don't care about when he's nominated for a noble peace prize, or that he wrote books for kids. Yet when Jamie Foxx and Snoop Dogg say something, they look twice.

At 12/12/05 09:51 PM, g0t wrote:

At 12/12/05 09:48 PM, g0t wrote:

At 12/12/05 09:47 PM, protege-moi wrote:

At 12/12/05 09:46 PM, g0t wrote: I made him invisible, oh wait, hes been invisible for 20 some odd years now.

You're just too hardcore for all of us.

Do you just follow me around topic to topic?

and btw, my comment was directed at the mdeia mongoloids, that don't care about when he's nominated for a noble peace prize, or that he wrote books for kids. Yet when Jamie Foxx and Snoop Dogg say something, they look twice.

Hmm, I thought your comment was more about public attention and concern than the media. You do have a point there. My bad for missing it.

At 12/12/05 09:53 PM, protege-moi wrote:

Hmm, I thought your comment was more about public attention and concern than the media. You do have a point there. My bad for missing it.

its ok, I act like a retard, but I assure you, any topic politically, I have a firm opinion on.

At 12/12/05 09:53 PM, protege-moi wrote:

hes mine bitch step of my mine or ill slap the chicken out yo hand!

This one sucks alot.

SAVE TOOKIE

At 12/12/05 09:57 PM, ShittyPancake wrote:

At 12/12/05 09:53 PM, protege-moi wrote:

hes mine bitch step of my mine or ill slap the chicken out yo hand!

Hows it been LP?

What a great way to treat a man about to die, well I'm going to hell.

For such a Christian country, we have forgotten the tenet of forgiveness.

At 12/12/05 10:07 PM, Banukkah wrote: For such a Christian country, we have forgotten the tenet of forgiveness.

Maus, perhaps you could help me understand Tookie's repentance.

How are we expected to be convinced of his reformation and usefullness, when he has yet to claim responsibility for the murder of those four people?

I was having a tough time taking a stance on this issue until I heard him insist on his innocence. I just can't bring myself to go out on a limb and believe this man's repentance without first seeing his acknowledgement of crimes committed.

At 12/12/05 10:07 PM, Banukkah wrote: For such a Christian country, we have forgotten the tenet of forgiveness.

Then again, the bible prohibited false idols, yet we're a country fascinated with celebrities and leaders.

Oh well.

Shouldn't we be photoshoping instead of debating?

At 12/12/05 11:06 PM, Whitekid wrote: Shouldn't we be photoshoping instead of debating?

Quiet, this actually turned into one of the more intelligent discussion threads on the bbs, you dont want to lose that do you?

At 12/12/05 11:06 PM, Whitekid wrote: Shouldn't we be photoshoping instead of debating?

Why don't you do a picture then, shit.

At 12/12/05 09:45 PM, Minion777 wrote: Could you ship me one?

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease?

Actually, some dude lost his wallet at my bank (with credit cards), so I'll get you some games and a new computer.

HAPPEH KWANZAA!11

At 12/12/05 10:17 PM, -FestiveDrunk- wrote:

At 12/12/05 10:07 PM, Banukkah wrote: For such a Christian country, we have forgotten the tenet of forgiveness.

Maus, perhaps you could help me understand Tookie's repentance.

It is possibly the hardest lesson to learn, forgiveness. The only people in any sort of position to rebuke him would be those he has directly wronged (I speak of the 4 victims' families.) That's not you, and that's not me. For his crime against society in general, he has repented, and worked at righting the horrible wrong he created and for that, forgiveness is in order.