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At 12/7/05 08:31 PM, Dranigus wrote:

AWww is the little baby scared that his country ain't a democracy, which is what his mama told him it was... hmmm?

ok fuckhead im in goverment class and we are on chapter 20 America: Democratic-Republic
The New Goverment

o and before you make fun of people try something better then mom jokes.

At 12/7/05 09:00 PM, Masterrcheiff wrote:

At 12/7/05 08:31 PM, Dranigus wrote:

AWww is the little baby scared that his country ain't a democracy, which is what his mama told him it was... hmmm?

ok fuckhead im in goverment class and we are on chapter 20 America: Democratic-Republic
The New Goverment

o and before you make fun of people try something better then mom jokes.

Oh so now I am a fuckhead, is that because I am black and a liberal and understand what this government really is like from all the things that have occured in the past?

I know more about the government than you know, you are only being taught by what they allow you to be taught about...

You're all stupid.

ALL FORMS OF CENTRALIZED SOCIETY HAVE COLLAPSED in the past , AND WILL continue to collapse, because they are all inefficent systems of culture.

BEFORE 10,000 YEARS AGO THEIR WERE ONLY EGALTARIAN SOCIETIES LIVING OFF OF hunting and gathering.

IF YOU WANT a real stable system of society.. we all need to convert to small tribes and bands, have kin based cultures and kill lots of people to get rid of the morrons.

ANY ... ism is not a solution to the worlds problems.

you're all ignorant and stupid compared to me and know nothing. go take a few anthropology classes, and then grow a brain after that.

At 12/7/05 09:25 PM, InsaneStewy wrote: You're all stupid.


you're all ignorant and stupid compared to me and know nothing. go take a few anthropology classes, and then grow a brain after that.

I thought that taking anthropology classes was just one of the more extreme ways of coming out of the closet o-O

I read about this one mathematician who was a big fan of reverting to tribal societies, he ended up mailing a bunch of bombs to people and living in a shack.

Ehh....WEll you could have gone a little bit more in depth about this but whatever. Although capatalism does have its problems, so does Socialism. You cannot ignore this. Here is an example, if you split YOUR candy bar with a friend...you would get the bigger half right? Problem number one, poeple always want more then they have, and socialism doesnt satisfy this need. Additionally, there are curropting ideals in socialism because everyone is socially and economicly the same....even if its CLEAR that we are all not the same in this way. Some poeple will and should have power over otheres and some poeple should be making more money then others. If I spent 8 years going to medical school, I would get paid almost exactly the same as someone who didnt even go to college.

Socialism hasnt proved itself either...although I agree it has worked in small communities very well, it gets more difficult on a larger scale. Russia, China, and the previous Soviet Block countries are not doing so well or have already gotten rid of communism. Communism is somewhat against globilization so it will eventually be done away with (in some degree).

True, the United States can be stated like an auction house...But isnt that the way things always are? If you let things to their own devices more powerful poeple will control some part of a majority (STALIN *COUGH*). However no type of society is free of such things. Besides, such strong poeple behind the US is what has made them do so well. Hell it would be funny to see in a few years a Burger King Mercanary Platoon! lol....anyways my point is that strong poeple behind a contry can strongly benefit it, especially if the rest of the social classes are with them.

*Sigh* And the cycle begins again...

Why is this thread still here? Socialism can't properly function as a government system because human desire will always trump the common good. Period. People always want better. More money. More stuff, better stuff, more money.... People will almost always put the desires of themselves before the need of society. That selfishness is what kills socialism and drives capitolism. People want good stuff, so they work overtime for good stuff.

while capitolism has it's issues, socialism has a signifigantly higher number of problems. That's it. Game over. Now shut down the thread everyone, and eat some hot pockets. Mmmm, hot pockets.

oh, and have a nice day.

At 12/7/05 08:31 PM, Dranigus wrote:

Actually...

It has never truely been proving that all the voting was valid, so it still isn't actually a democratic republic.

What does this mean? You think elections are rigged?

At 12/7/05 09:25 PM, InsaneStewy wrote: You're all stupid.

<awesome shit>

We managed to become a superpower through the power of CAPITALISM and its relative efficiency. Now, I'm not saying it doesn't have its flaws, but let's a looka at the other social systems-

Communism: USSR. We all know the story.
Socialism: France, Canada, Italy. Winners all!
Dictatorships: North Korea, China, Iran (also a theocracy... that works well)... Crazed and worthless... and one of them is to become a crazed worthless 20-year superpower.
Democracy/Capitalism: USA, Japan, England... Wow, the superpowers in our world! Must be a coincidence...

Moral of the story- Walmart wins. Always. (Even though I hate them.) And right-wing doesn't always = bad. It almost always = good.

At 12/6/05 11:47 PM, bootleg42 wrote:
I can sense that fear already. Well, no need to talk. The poor in the future (as history has shown already before) will raise and it will be you who will suffer.

What happened in the past when the poor actually succeeded in rising up? THEY BECAME THE NEW RICH! Then they reverted to the economic system held by the old rich. Why? Because the system works and they know it. All an uprising of the poor will do is make the oppressed the new oppressors.

Remember the words I stated. Remember why 911 happened or why there are people who want to wage war against the US. That is an example of the poor already raising but from outside the country. One can only image what white people will do when that same anger the "terrorists" have builds to the poor of the US itself???

The terror phenomenea is not the poor rising against the rich, it's the ultra-religious fanaticals rising against all forms of modern thought! There is a reason why they constantly cite scriptures from their holy book asthey blow themselves to pieces. The reason: religion makes otherwise rational human beings irrational! Accept that! Is that so had to grasp?

You guys must be scared to defend such a system for that. It probably will not come in our generation, but it will come.

No, I'm not scared (not to say I don't realized te possible dangers, but there is no reason to be in a state of fear without an imminent threat on ones life) and these bastards don't hate our economic system. In fact, they use market-based economies in their homelands too, so that point is irrelevent.

At 12/7/05 02:10 AM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: Oh, I know. Because the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics wasn't socialist. It didn't follow Marx's plan exactly step by step and therefore is some other type of government. Real socialism will still work!

So tell me: where are the "true socialist" nations? I'll save you the time and just point out right now that THERE ARE NONE! Although a few Weak European nations have some socialist elements, it's still not true socialism.

At 12/7/05 09:25 PM, InsaneStewy wrote: You're all stupid.

ALL FORMS OF CENTRALIZED SOCIETY HAVE COLLAPSED in the past , AND WILL continue to collapse, because they are all inefficent systems of culture.

actually the Monarchy in the UK has been one of the most stable ever. The monarhy has been going on since Alfred the Great(800's) till now with only a few interuptions(Norman Invasion, Viking attacks, Glorious Revolution, and that brief stint the UK had at a Republic, which was really just a dictatorship)

All in all they have had the longest track record.

At 12/8/05 11:10 AM, Pandaman64 wrote:

At 12/7/05 08:31 PM, Dranigus wrote:

Actually...

It has never truely been proving that all the voting was valid, so it still isn't actually a democratic republic.

What does this mean? You think elections are rigged?

Well there is no proof stating that it wasn't rigged. And it was pretty easy in the past to rigged elections.

At 12/8/05 06:41 PM, fenrus1989 wrote:
actually the Monarchy in the UK has been one of the most stable ever. The monarhy has been going on since Alfred the Great(800's) till now with only a few interuptions(Norman Invasion, Viking attacks, Glorious Revolution, and that brief stint the UK had at a Republic, which was really just a dictatorship)

The monarchy did have a good run, but it's over now. They're are kept around as symbols and figureheads, but the Parliament holds the real power in government. I doubt it will be too long before the new generation of Brits start asking themselves "why do we keep these fuckers around anyway? They are supported by our taxdollars (pounds, whatever...), but don't really do anything. Are we throwing money down the drain on them?"

All in all they have had the longest track record.

A record that has ended (with the exeptions of a few vestiges, which will disappear in time).

socialism bring everyone down, not bring them up...
most socialist societies kill a ton of people anyway...

At 12/8/05 10:28 PM, Dranigus wrote: Well there is no proof stating that it wasn't rigged. And it was pretty easy in the past to rigged elections.

It really bugs me when politicians resist rational and fair proposals to increase the integrity of elections. We still use Diebold machines for most of our elections for god's sake!

About the whole Cuba thing, you want to know why their economy is shit? I'll give you a hint, it's not because they're socialists, it's because of the US trade embargo. This is such a beg the question scenario.

Why is socialism bad?
Cuba is socialist, and has a shit economy.
Why is their economy shit?
Because the US has a trade embargo on them.
Why does the US have a trade embargo on them?
Because socialism is bad?

Repeat.

Not to mention, the US also sanctions countries that trade with Cuba, in order to further choke the trade with their country.

You ever think that perhaps that might have just a tad to do with why the Cuban economy isn't exactly a powerhouse right now?

At 12/9/05 09:12 PM, Elfer wrote: About the whole Cuba thing, you want to know why their economy is shit? I'll give you a hint, it's not because they're socialists, it's because of the US trade embargo. This is such a beg the question scenario.

Why is socialism bad?
Cuba is socialist, and has a shit economy.

Cuba practices a more dictorial form of socialism though. So it's really a harm of being in a fictorial country, not because of socialism. Then again with the U.S. imposing much embargo on the tiny island nation of Cuba, one can only expect much economic problems to insure. Again, not a factor of socialism.

Why is their economy shit?
Because the US has a trade embargo on them.

I just said that, and like I said before, it isn't because of socialism.

Why does the US have a trade embargo on them?
Because socialism is bad?

No, you retard. The US has an embargo because of our history with them. God, we don't have an embargo on Sweden and they are socialist. So why would we do so on Cuba? Because they are not just socialist, they are of a dictorial nation or should I say, a nation that is run by a dictator.

Repeat.

Not to mention, the US also sanctions countries that trade with Cuba, in order to further choke the trade with their country.

Yeah, that's because the United States likes being a big bully and because of us thousands of Cubans have to suffer.

You ever think that perhaps that might have just a tad to do with why the Cuban economy isn't exactly a powerhouse right now?

Well it isn't because of socialism, you turd.

I was just trying to illustrate the point that using Cuba as an example of the economic harm brought on by socialism is a stupid idea, because socialism isn't the real reason that the economy is garbage.

At 12/4/05 01:18 AM, sovietspy47 wrote: agree disagree nuetral come on and talk i feel that democracy is weak and can't stand alone so far its capitalist back and all capitalism is control to the highist bidder

Agree. It doesn't have to be full-blown socialism to make an improvement. And from what I've been reading about Europe, their socialist parties are doing a fine job without causing some kind of bloody revolution.

At 12/7/05 09:03 PM, The-Dran wrote:

At 12/7/05 09:00 PM, Masterrcheiff wrote:

At 12/7/05 08:31 PM, Dranigus wrote:

AWww is the little baby scared that his country ain't a democracy, which is what his mama told him it was... hmmm?

ok fuckhead im in goverment class and we are on chapter 20 America: Democratic-Republic
The New Goverment

o and before you make fun of people try something better then mom jokes.

Oh so now I am a fuckhead, is that because I am black and a liberal and understand what this government really is like from all the things that have occured in the past?

I know more about the government than you know, you are only being taught by what they allow you to be taught about...

We live in a police state dictated by the Federal Reserve System, the IRS, and of course the powers that be in the government. We're modeled off the Roman Republic and in Rome, they felt that dictatorial powers could be given to the government if it meant preserving the nation of Rome, which was actually its ultimate downfall (amongst other factors). If you wish to learn more, watch "Zeitgeist" and "America: Freedom to Fascism" for a full comprehension of these words of mine.

All you really need is love.

Socialism doesn't work.
Here's a little "example" (of course this wouldnt really happen for obvious reasons but the principle still applies)

Billy gets an A in Chemistry.
Steve gets an F.

According to Socialism, everyone must be equal and, therefore, Billy and Steve both get a C.
What have they learned?
Billy learns that, despite working hard, he cannot reap any of the benefits because they go to everyone else. The Government pats him on the back and tells him it's alright because he doesn't deserve to be better than everyone else.
Steve learns that he can coast through life without doing anything because he'll recieve all the compensation he needs from everybody else. The Government pats him on the back and tells him he won't have to suffer from his own laziness because everyone else is supporting him.

At 12/9/05 09:12 PM, Elfer wrote: About the whole Cuba thing, you want to know why their economy is shit? I'll give you a hint, it's not because they're socialists, it's because of the US trade embargo. This is such a beg the question scenario.

Why is socialism bad?
Cuba is socialist, and has a shit economy.
Why is their economy shit?
Because the US has a trade embargo on them.
Why does the US have a trade embargo on them?
Because socialism is bad?

Repeat.

Not to mention, the US also sanctions countries that trade with Cuba, in order to further choke the trade with their country.

You ever think that perhaps that might have just a tad to do with why the Cuban economy isn't exactly a powerhouse right now?

Why would Cuba want goods from a corrupt capitalist country anyway...

The united states is in total disarray!
That is why we need socialism!
It would make a great socialist country!
Why?
Because it has a good economy!
But i thought you said the united states was in total disarray?
i did but...

At 12/4/05 02:13 AM, Memorize wrote: I prefer to keep my freedom and money thanks.

I like this guy.

Socialism is economically impossible as a system of effective resource allocation. The socialist system simply cannot effectively allocate resources like a TRULY free market can (which I might add does nto exist in the United States or anywhere in the west) because it has no pricing structure.

This was proven by Austrian economist Ludwig von Mises in the beginning of the 20th century and conceded to by prominent socialists of his time and now as they scramble to economically reconcile their failed system in some way.

For more information on the socialist calculation problem visit the Mises Institute and search for the socialist calculation problem or calculation problem.