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Response to Multi-Author System Dec. 14th, 2002 @ 11:40 PM Reply

NOOOO! thats crap, there shouldnt be a leader of the team, the last thing a team needs is an ego-maniac at the helm. if he gets the shits he can remove ppl from the credits! the multi author thing is good, but leader thing is crap!

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Response to Multi-Author System Dec. 14th, 2002 @ 11:49 PM Reply

I still think that, that is phat.

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Response to Multi-Author System Dec. 14th, 2002 @ 11:55 PM Reply

At 12/14/02 01:22 AM, Andrew_Traviss wrote:sum shit

you are queer

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Response to Multi-Author System Dec. 15th, 2002 @ 12:07 AM Reply

Even though i haven't sorted through the 90+ comments on this board to see if my request has been said already, here it goes. Not that I'd be using this feature, but I think it would be a great idea if people could register a team account, It'd basicly be just like the current system you're planning. When someone using the team account submit's an entry, it has to get approved by everyone else in the team. so the entry would be put on hold untill the other group members approve of the work (that way someone won't submit something shitty that mis-represents the group as a whole). with the "team account" system, a group of people can have a Team profile and a listing of things that the team has made (with the system Tom is planning, it will have what team has made, along with things each other has created seperate from the team). ANYWAYS, that's what i think would be really neat, but it calls for what I think would be a lot of programming, for a small group of people using it, but i could be wrong. Anyways, thanks for reading my post.

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Response to Multi-Author System Dec. 15th, 2002 @ 12:21 AM Reply

Oh yeah, and with the "Team Account" suggestion I had, it would stop people from pissing you off by saying that you worked on the movie too. there probably would be a team admin person that made the initial account and added/removed people when neccessary. There would be a confirmination thing on the teammate's end of the account, so people don't signup people that don't want to be appart of the team. AND within each teammember's public profile, there could be a link to which team's they are apart of. anyways, i think that's all i can think of for my team account suggestion, i hope you consider it Tom!

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Response to Multi-Author System Dec. 15th, 2002 @ 12:21 AM Reply

I hope I have described this well. I'm now opening the floor to comments. LET YOUR IDEAS AND OPINIONS BE HEARD!

It seems like the entire process has been thought out thoroughly. (I didn't consider the possibility of people submitting something awful and crediting it as a collaborative effort, but it WOULD happen.)
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Everything about your idea seems to be good. Now in regards to the embargo question, I think it could go either way. Unless you suspect that movies might be delayed by anything more than two days for all of the contributors to sign it off, go with the embargo.
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Now consider these worst-case scenarios:
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It is possible that some collaborators do not presently have an account with NG. Will the team leader be informed that there is no way for the movie to be signed off until the collaborator creates an account? An embargo in this case would prevent the movie from reaching the portal for a while. (Until the collaborator created an account.)
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Contributors may forget that there is a movie that they need to sign off. Will they be notified that some flash is waiting for their confirmation? How will it be done? Email? Log-in notice?
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After thinking about it...I suggest that the embargo idea be scrapped. Collaborative works tend to be the best stuff, and it would be awful if it became a chore for people to submit it. Get it to the portal faster, and let the credit appear after the co-authors claim it.

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Response to Multi-Author System Dec. 15th, 2002 @ 12:54 AM Reply

hmm interesting

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Response to Multi-Author System Dec. 15th, 2002 @ 02:27 AM Reply

Just keep it simple tom

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Response to Multi-Author System Dec. 15th, 2002 @ 06:03 AM Reply

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Response to Multi-Author System Dec. 15th, 2002 @ 12:34 PM Reply

At 12/13/02 09:34 AM, TomFulp of NG MUTHA FUCKER wrote:


Most teams will want to embargo their submission until everyone signs off. This way, the submission will appear in the Portal with full credits intact. Some people, however, may prefer to just get the content on-line. I'd like to keep the system flexible in this respect.

Yeah if u where to keep the system as flexible as possible. Maybe for the cost of NG keeping it embargoed user would have to pay 20 ground gold a day to keep it in embargoed. I dunno maybe that's to much. But u should definatly have a choice between keeping in embargo or instant update. U'll piss less people off. Sounds like a good idea tho.

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Response to Multi-Author System Dec. 15th, 2002 @ 02:29 PM Reply

There needs to be a way that the person who controls the credits is unable to remove someone's credits without their permission. For example, author1 might decide to remove author2's credits just so he could get all of the credit.

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Response to Multi-Author System Dec. 15th, 2002 @ 02:30 PM Reply

At 12/13/02 09:34 AM, TomFulp wrote:

LET YOUR IDEAS AND OPINIONS BE HEARD!

ok i think we should walk on the moon and live in huts

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Response to Multi-Author System Dec. 15th, 2002 @ 08:12 PM Reply

LAALALALA Toodaly deee

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Response to Multi-Author System Dec. 15th, 2002 @ 08:39 PM Reply

Well tom, I am glad that all my bitching got somewhere! Thanks for paying attention to my thread that I think pressured you to try this again. (I believe you had told me you had tried this Multi-Author System and that you found that it had not been possible with the currrent server.) Anyway, thanks, I now return to the middle of no where. And remember, Fight Club special edition is harder to get than a Criterion Edition of ROBOCOP... just thought you should know... ok... I'll just... go... chainsaw the children or something...

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Response to Multi-Author System Dec. 16th, 2002 @ 02:04 AM Reply

That's awesome. But what i'd really like to be able to do is search the obituaries. Or at least be able to view a month at a time. Not really a big deal, it'd just be nice.

One question i have though, is how teh authors will be rewarded for joint submissions. Is the submitting author the only one to recive points for the movie? If you take an author off of the list, do the points get distributed amoung the remaning authors? blah. This stuff's probibly already been said, but i'm asking anyway.

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Response to Multi-Author System Dec. 16th, 2002 @ 04:36 AM Reply

Great, I have to credit someone, but they are not a ng user, I guess I'll just put it in the credits.

Maybe you should add an email for the joint project, if they dont use NG, justa suggestion

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Response to Multi-Author System Dec. 16th, 2002 @ 02:30 PM Reply

Yeah if u where to keep the system as flexible as possible. Maybe for the cost of NG keeping it embargoed user would have to pay 20 ground gold a day to keep it in embargoed. I dunno maybe that's to much. But u should definatly have a choice between keeping in embargo or instant update. U'll piss less people off. Sounds like a good idea tho.

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Response to Multi-Author System Dec. 16th, 2002 @ 02:33 PM Reply

One question i have though, is how teh authors will be rewarded for joint submissions. Is the submitting author the only one to recive points for the movie? If you take an author off of the list, do the points get distributed amoung the remaning authors? blah. This stuff's probibly already been said, but i'm asking anyway.

What points? What the hell are you talking about? Grounds Gold? You don't get that for submissions, only for movie referalls, i.e. a friend made a movie, and you tell them about NG, and you're mentioned as referrer on the submission page.


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Response to Multi-Author System Dec. 17th, 2002 @ 12:25 AM Reply

Stop clocking up the front page god damnit.

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Response to Multi-Author System Dec. 17th, 2002 @ 09:41 PM Reply

Hmm, well, this is good considering I can't do flash or never learned it but I come up with some pretty interesting stories. O.o

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Response to Multi-Author System Dec. 26th, 2002 @ 07:42 PM Reply

this sounds like a great idea and all but if u think about it there's a problem itself. as much as i'd like to have it so that i could get people to put my name to get the points and so i'll be a higher lvl. so if u do this then more then one person will get credit and some of them might not be doing shit like most do now

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Response to Multi-Author System Dec. 27th, 2002 @ 03:24 PM Reply

At 12/13/02 11:00 AM, Unmindful wrote: I have an idea, Tom. To stop your account being flooding with links to confirm movies one didn't work on, have it so in your log in options, each person has a list of people that they will collaborate with.

I guess this sounds like a pretty good idea. It would save a lot of mailbox space, but then again, what about server space? I'm sure that there are other features waiting to be implimented as well

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Response to Multi-Author System Dec. 27th, 2002 @ 04:04 PM Reply

Okay, it's a bit long, but try to read through it.

At 12/15/02 12:07 AM, cheesemold wrote: it would be a great idea if people could register a team account, It'd basicly be just like the current system you're planning. When someone using the team account submit's an entry, it has to get approved by everyone else in the team. so the entry would be put on hold untill the other group members approve of the work (that way someone won't submit something shitty that mis-represents the group as a whole).

The Problem
Yes, this does work around the problem w/ the possible many confirmation emails, but then we lose the point of this system to begin w/. Any group of ppl can start a new account and use it as the submitter for their movies/games, but then you have to start back at level one w/ no blams or protections (which are harder to get these days), and it can cause conflicts w/ voting styles (for example: if one person hates an entry, but the other loves it).

The solution
I do, however, think that cheesemold's idea could work. What if we just make it possible to join a group with already existing members.

Grounds Gold Menu
So under "Edit" in the Grounds Gold Menu, there would be an option to "Edit your group" as well as one to "View Group Requests" and "Confirm Your Contributions". Once clicked it brings the user to a page where they can enter in multiple user names. Then, when these users sign on to their accounts, something like one of the cute little "new posts" icons will appear next to the "View Group Requests" option. Once on that page, the user can "Accept" or "Decline" the request.

Member Abilities
If they accept, they are then put into the group list, no new accounts are started, and all points are kept. All members have the ability to invite more members and to remove themselves, but one person shouldn't be allowed to remove another.

Submit Your Flash Page
On the submit page, you can choose to submit your flash either under your own user name or under the group name. Further specification options are not necessary because they can be written in author's comments and in the movie credits.

Freelance
Some people work freelance and will do one project with a group and then move on to another, so there would also have to be an "Additonal Authors" field on the submit page. This is where some earlier ideas come into play. The person submitting can choose whether the flash should be put in the portal immediately without the freelancer's name on it until they confirm, or if the submission should be held until the confirmation is recieved and then put into the portal. The freelancer will get an icon next their "Confirm Your Contribution" option when they sign in. Again, this is another "Accept" or "Decline" page. Their name will then appear on their submission's page along w/ the group/other user. This freelance system can also be used with individual users since two people might pair up once.

Changes in groups and updates
If a group of let's say Joe, Susan, Linda and Ralph do a movie, and then Linda leaves the group, and then the remaining people update the group list, we don't want Linda's name to dissapear from the list of authors for the movie they just did together. So the credit information can't be like the BBS signatures (how if you update it all previous posts change).

I think that's about as in-depth as I can get. I will try to get some pictures uploaded to this thread for those of us who are more visual and don't want to sit here and read my entier post. If anybody did, however, and cought something that doesn't make sense or wouldn't work, go ahead, write back.

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Response to Multi-Author System Dec. 27th, 2002 @ 04:22 PM Reply

Oops, I missed one thing; Once a group is created, and once a member is confirmed, that member is given the group password. This Group password (along with a group name) is established by the person who establishes the group. There should be an option to create a group in the Grounds Gold Menu.

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Response to Multi-Author System Dec. 27th, 2002 @ 11:59 PM Reply

Member Abilities
If they accept, they are then put into the group list, no new accounts are started, and all points are kept. All members have the ability to invite more members and to remove themselves, but one person shouldn't be allowed to remove another.

Please make that sentence: "If they accept, they then show up in yet another option in the Grounds Gold menu titled "Confirm new group members", or maybe it would be under "Edit your group". Once signed in, all existing members of the group in question will have to accept/confirm the new user before they are put into the group list. A new account is started, and all points are kept.. These accounts have profiles that are merely links to all the members including a place for all members to comment."

I have no clue how much server space this might take up.

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Response to Multi-Author System Dec. 28th, 2002 @ 12:03 AM Reply

At 12/16/02 04:36 AM, FaddPuppy wrote: Great, I have to credit someone, but they are not a ng user, I guess I'll just put it in the credits.

Maybe you should add an email for the joint project, if they dont use NG, justa suggestion

Why arent they an NG user? There are so many benefits, and its free! Unless they don't have internet access, but that doesn't even matter, most schools have computer labs, and if you're not a student, your job probably has computers. If they aren't an NG user just put it in the author's comments and/or the credits, they should be happy with that. It's not like they are taking time to appreciate NG authors themselves.

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Response to Multi-Author System Dec. 30th, 2002 @ 03:15 AM Reply

I think his a great idea. I have about 6 unfinsihed projects on the go at the moment and all of them are the results of 2-3 people's hard work. This would mean all of us could have a seperate NG Profile instead of just 1 representing the entire group.

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Response to Multi-Author System Jan. 7th, 2003 @ 12:33 AM Reply

Isn't this still being worked on?

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Response to Multi-Author System Jan. 7th, 2003 @ 07:46 PM Reply

At 1/7/03 12:33 AM, Boo_Destroyer wrote: Isn't this still being worked on?

I certainly hope so

If anyone wants to see some pix of my ideas (listed above) just email me.

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Response to Multi-Author System Apr. 2nd, 2003 @ 11:53 PM Reply

Yes, I think that is a great idea. There really is lots of credit in making movies. I'm looking forward to this system.