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awesome. I think its a very well thought out and overall good idea that should mesh nicely with the existing review system.
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I really like your new idea Tom.
When the movie is displayed though, just display the name of the submitter and have a button to click that will pop up a window listing the collaborators of the movie to reduce the clutter on the page of the entry.
So the info on the left will look like:
Collaboration sbmitted by: XXXX
(clock to view credits)
Credits would list the MAJOR contributers to the portal entry.
Something like that.
Unmindful has a neat idea to prevent flooding but you won't really know until you try it out.
I like Knott's idea of customizing the credits as well.
Damnit tom with your long post! I've had to re-type it due to your stupid limit to characters!
Anyways, I'll keep it brief, that system is a great idea, good luck with it all. Hopefully we will start to see more colaborations of animators working on movies.
me and 19 others from the clockc rew have just made a collaberation movie and are uploading it tonight
so keep an eye out for it.
unfortunatley this means that all of the ppl who participated in makin it wont be able to get credit
Realizing you guys have limited time to rework the d-base, can you add a Co-author field that has a drop down box query? EX: Co-author has a drop down box with the numbers 1 - 4. Underneath there are 4 inactive text fields. When the number is selected that many empty text fields become active allowing for the other authors names to be entered.
Why don't you make anohter section so it says:
That way some one won't "steal" a movie. He/She will just be sharing it with the NG community.
I agree with sizzler..... i am making a movie at the moment that a friend is helping me with..... id love for when i submit that movie it say
author: The_unknown_soldier profile|site
Major contributor forgot his ng username profile|site
He has done a lot in the creation of the movie but in my opinion i was the major author!
Anyway thats food for thought i think i might go eat now :P
although this sounds like an impressive idea, what would happen if the movie wins a portal award? i mean what what happen there?
I think its a great idea, let the credit get spread, and stil be as flexible as possible. I'm for the new idea, but one problem that may arise would be conflict, if someone tries to submit it first, each wants to have control, or something like that. I can't really think of any ways to solve it, and it probally won't be a huge problem.
On another note, all the cool shit happening to NG firly recently kicks ass, Obituaries, Whistle, The School bus thing for the portal is cool. And most of all, since I've joined, I've noticed the quality of the submissions is getting better and better. Congrads to everyone...
well thought out. Seems every flaw has been taken cared of. the only real flaw is if the flash wins an award. Do all the authors get the award. What if people free load of people for awards........ not that big a deal though... fix the bbs user of the day so people with less then 100 posts can't win it.
Great idea Tom! I think it'd be a good idea to leave the decision up to the 'team leader' of the flash content on whether or not he wants the flash posted and the additional authors will be added as they confirm their credit to the project. So I think making it flexable for the 'Teamleader' will work out fine and I don't think many people will abuse it! Once again great idea!
Ok there is how it should go:
but how would it work, i mean like how would you submit the authers?
sweet. sounds good to me! i'm assuming you can add in the people to current submissions as well?
That's a great idea!
And now that users are going to help me on my new movie Vg Warriors, it's going to be great.
That'd be sweet ass
ive done a few things with friends, and if this thing goes through, ill definitely submit the movies
At 12/13/02 11:39 AM, The_Behemoth wrote: That's a nice idea, Sizzler. The only thing I foresee being problematic is the delegation of roles; how to determine how much effort one gave without hurting anyone's feelings, or giving anyone undue credit, etc. And the term "contributors", while it seems politically correct, still seems like it holds inferiority over the people who worked on it. If I were to bring in a background artist (since I'm a character artist, and can't do backgrounds to save my life), I would give him (or her) equal credit for having participating. Then, I would simply put in the artist comments "and a special thanks to whoever for their work on the backgrounds".
At 12/13/02 01:38 PM, poxpower wrote: I agree with The_Behemoth: Sizzler's idea would lead to confrontations, but since both authors could say they did an equal part and have their names under "co-producer", I think it would work fine.
There shouldn't be any problems at all. Those who have actually worked on this project SHOULD KNOW who has done what. The delegation of roles shouldn't even be a question, since all those involved will most certainly know who has put in the most effort, who directed and masterminded the entire project, and who only made supporting contributions.
Allowing for the authors to distinguish between co-authors and contributors should not present any confrontations - If collaborating artists are too childish to get along and know what's fair , then I don't know how they managed to end up working together in the first place, let along finishing their work.
At 12/13/02 01:38 PM, poxpower wrote: Maybe you could make a longer credits list, including Drawings, programming, music, scenario etc. If the projet had a lot of people involved, that way, we will know who did what, making it so that we can congratulate of critique of submitter in particular in the reviews.
At 12/13/02 01:23 PM, zipstyke wrote:At 12/13/02 11:36 AM, KnottsberryClock wrote: I agree with Sizzler's idea, however I thought it would be a good idea to customise the titles according to what each person did. For example:But then the options are far too many, and it would get out of control.
Original Idea: StrawberryClock
Excluding music and audio of course.
Knottsberry's idea could work, as long as it doesn't clutter the page. For this reason, I lumped all of the acclaims under "Co-Author" and "Contributor". I guess it all depends on how much pixel space is available on each page.
Maybe all those who contributed could be listed, and their individual credits be given out in the flash movie itself. This way, they are still mentioned with a profile link/drop down box on the entry's page.
At 12/13/02 01:38 PM, poxpower wrote: A small problem I see though would be fot the user's grades. Since some co-authors might have done a crapier job than the other co-authors, the others might get angry to see that all their hard work raised the grade of someone else. I know this problem is more of a between authors than a newgrounds one, but maybe you could leave the option to have each team member grade the others ( of course this will only happen with 3 or more) so that they receive that percentage of the movie's grade.
To handle this, I only the authors/co-authors get the credit, and the conbributors don't. It's fair, and simple.
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This is just great. I've been wondering about this for a while and the way you've made it play out is absolutely ingenius!
I'm too damn lazy to make a decent sig right now.
At 12/13/02 11:13 AM, sizzler wrote: And a visit to a clock movie could look like this:
And of course, it would be possible for a submission to have co-authors AND contributors. As well, whether you'd list the other movies by "Contributors" is up to you, but I don't see any problem with doing so. I believe mentioning those involved in an entry as I've shown will still tie collaborations to all involved, and won't create a giant mess on the entry's page.
I think contributors are something that can be credited in the AUTHOR'S DESCRIPTION. We don't want to get too far out there because everything we add creates more load for the system.
It WOULD be kinda nice if someone who contributed a small part to a game could have it noted in his profile... But I have a feeling there would be so many minor credits that it would strain our system a lot more than straight-out collaborations. This system is mostly to benefit teams of artists and programmers, which have been growing more and more prominant.
Sizzler, Your idea is too complicated, if someone did something small, they can be mentioned in the credits of the movie. This system is more for people who work together on a project and both take on equal ammounts of work.
At 12/13/02 09:54 PM, TomFulp wrote: I think contributors are something that can be credited in the AUTHOR'S DESCRIPTION. It WOULD be kinda nice if someone who contributed a small part to a game could have it noted in his profile... But I have a feeling there would be so many minor credits that it would strain our system a lot more than straight-out collaborations. This system is mostly to benefit teams of artists and programmers, which have been growing more and more prominant.
Well in that case, your initial plan/1st post would be just right. As well, since the collaborations would feature authors who each have an (approximately) equal contribution, then there's no need to worry about who gets credit for the portal awards won by a team-effort; credit is shared.
In this case, my question is: What is a good limit to the number of people per team? Three? Four tops?
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Not a bad idea, tom, i am fully behind it in fact!
i am shur that there will be some problems but thanks for finaly solving this!