United States and North Korea

[Drimarki]

Ever since George W. Bush came in power, he used aggressive approach to North Korea. Several times he threatened North Korea to do what he wants. Because of this, time after time, North Korea have learned to hate the United States. Hate towards United States is increasing and increasing. Last month, United States stopped sending oils to North Korea, fearing that it would be used for nuclear weapons. And just two days ago United States captured the North Korean ship which contains 15 skud missiles. This last event has put last pressure on North Korea, and North Korea at last exploded.

The explosion is that North Korea will revive its nuclear program.

North Korea reviving its nuclear program is basically a nightmare in Korean peninsula. When North Korea gets hand on nuclear weapons, it is obvious whom they are going to strike. Republic of Korea. That is why South Korean officials are really feared about this issue. North Korean president, Kim Jung Il, is a man who would do what he could to unite the Korean peninsula. Most likely it would be using force, and if nuclear weapons are developed in North Korea then most likely North Korea would be using those. In that case, country called Republic of Korea would be deleted from the world.

It is obvious that President George W. Bush would be even more aggressive towards North Korea. Then, it is possible that whenever North Korea finished developing the nuclear weapons they would fire it to South Korea. What would result is complete mayham. So, I believe what needs to be done is solving this in diplomatic manner. None of us want Second Korean War. If President George W. Bush would be less aggressive, then I believe it is possible to tame North Korea. In 2000, relations between North Korea and South Korea were at peak, and that was right before George W. Bush came into presidency.

[mulder-xuk]

do you really think george w thinks diplomatically?

if he wants to start wars and kill things he'll do it and there is no stopping him

the best thing that can be done is to get george w out of the white house before half the world is dead

[Drimarki]

At 12/12/02 11:33 AM, mulder_xuk wrote: do you really think george w thinks diplomatically?

if he wants to start wars and kill things he'll do it and there is no stopping him

the best thing that can be done is to get george w out of the white house before half the world is dead

George W. Bush is certainly not thinking diplomatically right now, but I'm hoping that he does. Our world may yet be saved if he starts thinking diplomatically. However, if all else fails, then you're right, what should be done is to remove George W. Bush from his office, as keeping him only increases more bloodshed.

[EmeraldNiteMare]

Look at my signature, my friend. Bush will NOT change. He's about as corrupt as any leader, past or present. Two ways to stop him from destroying this world. Shoot him, or impeach. It's about time America takes action against its president, before he destroy it.

[Drimarki]

Unfortunatly, impeaching is unlikely to happen. Care to take a guess what his approval rating is? 70%. 70%! More then two-third of Americans agree with him... That is sad. This means that 70% of Americans are war maniacs who doesn't care about other people. So what we have to do is hope that Bush changes his policy (which is unlikely to happen, and yes, in my dreams would that come true...sigh), or assassination (yes, shooting him).

[EmeraldNiteMare]

That IS sad. So many Bush supporters. It's unnerving. I'm quite sure a lot of them supporters are Republicans. Then again, they could be people whom don't seem to understand the concept of war. It's not a matter of honour and glory, just slaughtering innocents. Who receives the most pain in a war? the civilians, not the bloody military or the government. If Bush wants peace then he should shoot himself.

[Askey18]

I agree that war is a horrible thing, and that going to war should be a last resort. However, do you truely believe that Iraq, Iran, and North Korea would really change because of diplomacy? Thats funny! For countries like these, diplomacy welcomed distraction. We think we have nothing to worry about while they continue to build up there weapon systems. Its well known that while Clinton was in office he had the chance to take out Bin Ladin. We had intelligence that knew the exact location of Bin Ladin, and Clinton did nothing. Finally we have a president who isn't afraid to do something about it, and all you can do is talk about impeachment. Its called living in fear. Clinton did nothing because he was afraid of the consequences. As a nation we cannot afford to have a leader who is afraid. What Bush is doing know must be done. Or else the U.S. and all the counties like it will live in fear until it is done.

[PostalPelican]

if bush doesnt stop pissing other people off, hes gonna start WWIII, i dearly hope someone puts a bullet through his thick skull soon.

[Drimarki]

At 12/14/02 12:02 PM, Askey18 wrote: I agree that war is a horrible thing, and that going to war should be a last resort. However, do you truely believe that Iraq, Iran, and North Korea would really change because of diplomacy? Thats funny! For countries like these, diplomacy welcomed distraction. We think we have nothing to worry about while they continue to build up there weapon systems. Its well known that while Clinton was in office he had the chance to take out Bin Ladin. We had intelligence that knew the exact location of Bin Ladin, and Clinton did nothing. Finally we have a president who isn't afraid to do something about it, and all you can do is talk about impeachment. Its called living in fear. Clinton did nothing because he was afraid of the consequences. As a nation we cannot afford to have a leader who is afraid. What Bush is doing know must be done. Or else the U.S. and all the counties like it will live in fear until it is done.

Even though you have stated that going to war should be the last resort, what Bush is currently doing is advocating war. He is basically threatening Iraq to give up thier weapons, but what if Iraq decided to fire their missile into one of United State's city? War would result. If we have followed Clinton's policy, which is to solve in peacefully, then at least war would not result. Look at all those treaties that were made between US and Iraq/Iran/North Korea. Even though that seem nothing, they are one step closer to achieveing peace and harmony. Even though Clinton might have been afraid of consequences, what he did was one step closer. With these small steps, someday we could achieve peace throughout the world. War could be the easy way of achieving peace, but at the cost of lives, which is not what we want.

[agent66]

If I'm not mistaken isn't the first war not officially over yet? I think both sides are merely holding on to a temporary caese fire.

[Narcissus]

Either way you look at it, this 'war' has put a halt on the American economy. Corporations are sitting on loads of cash right now and no one is doing anything to develop new products or do marketing because they are all waiting on something to happen with Iraq and the Middle East.

I, myself, have been out of work for a year now, either surviving with debt or being lucky enough to squeeze a contract big enough to pay my minimum bills for a month. Now I have one possible opportunity, a web development post at my old university at less than a third what I used to make. Now, normally I would not blame the current administration for this, economic policies usually take 8-10 years to take full effect. However, I strongly believe that this time, the Bush administration is largely at fault for the current state of the nation. I am sure some old policies do not help, but the administration's seemingly complete lack of diplomacy and organization must be doing their share of damage.

My only hope is that something happens soon. Being stuck in limbo with bills piling is not fun. :(

[Loser95]

I dont really see the US attacking North Korea anytime soon, they have no oil, and if they attack North Korea, China is gonna get involved and I dont think the US wants a war with China.

[Gankore]

At 12/15/02 11:02 AM, Drimarki wrote: Even though you have stated that going to war should be the last resort, what Bush is currently doing is advocating war. He is basically threatening Iraq to give up thier weapons, but what if Iraq decided to fire their missile into one of United State's city? War would result. If we have followed Clinton's policy, which is to solve in peacefully, then at least war would not result. Look at all those treaties that were made between US and Iraq/Iran/North Korea. Even though that seem nothing, they are one step closer to achieveing peace and harmony. Even though Clinton might have been afraid of consequences, what he did was one step closer. With these small steps, someday we could achieve peace throughout the world.

First off, iraq dosen't any missles that could get the US ...that we know of...and that's why we are going to iraq to make sure he dosen't.

"And if we follow Clinton's policy" ...UH what policy...OH,the one where he just slaps thiers hands and say 'you two just get along' and then he flys away in his jet.

Dilplomcy is always good...but treaties are only as good as the signers...The Treaty itself has no power what so ever, because it's a piece of paper...its the people who sign it who can honor it.
Plus Most of the signers were madmen or super fanitics in thier own right. So if they focus only on thier goal (example: kill all the jews) they will do anything to get it done...

[Tool-Of-The-System]

And while you're at it trying to fight against "terrorism", Mr. President, why don't you explain to us where the fuck Osama bin Laden is.

[HeinousDude]

Remember in the last Olympics the two Koreas entered the stadium under ONE flag, almost ready to actually unite, after negotiations with Clinton? Well, look what happened since Bush took over the office.

And what was the objective of Operation: Enduring Freedom? They said it was a success, so the objective must not be to kill Osama, since his health status is still unknown. Does anyone know?

[Ted-Easton]

Bush should just butt out of the rest of the world. If someone's threatening you, fight them. If someone's attacking you, fight them.
But to start pressuring some country because they want a nuclear reactor is just overbearing. They have as much right to have nuclear capabilities as any other nation, and America has no right to step in and tell them they can't.
I support the dissolution of the Iraqi regime, but I don't support Bush's reasons. Same things. He has weapons. Whoop de doo. So does almost every other nation in the world. Get back to America and mind you own buisness. Go eat a pretzel.

[HeinousDude]

At 1/3/03 10:00 PM, Ted_Easton wrote: Bush should just butt out of the rest of the world. If someone's threatening you, fight them. If someone's attacking you, fight them.
But to start pressuring some country because they want a nuclear reactor is just overbearing. They have as much right to have nuclear capabilities as any other nation, and America has no right to step in and tell them they can't.
I support the dissolution of the Iraqi regime, but I don't support Bush's reasons. Same things. He has weapons. Whoop de doo. So does almost every other nation in the world. Get back to America and mind you own buisness. Go eat a pretzel.

Yes go eat a pretxel! Anyway, Bush wants Iraq because it has oil, and Bush is an oil freak (drilling in alaska's wildlife? c'mon!) However this reason is hidden to make Bush look good, and use the iraq's weapons to make it look bad. I would personally like the media to tell everyone the true reason why Bush hates iraq. That'd screw him up. As for N. Korea i have no friggin idea why bush is after 'im.

[Drimarki]

News in the last few weeks have been grim. North Korea's hatred toward United States have at last exploded, and now North Korea is doing several serious measures. They have already deactivated the UN security cameras so that they can't detect whether North Korea is making nuclear weapons. Few days ago North Korea has nullified the NPT. NPT is an act stating that North Korea will not activate any more reactors to make nuclear weapons. Now it seems to me that North Korea will make nuclear weapons without anybody to stop.

And...guess what? This has happened ever since Bush and his aggressiveness came in. I miss Clinton's days. As I have stated before, Year 2000 was the peak between North and South Korea's relations. South Korea's president Kim Dae Jung has went to Pyongyang to meet North Korean leader Kim Jung Il in year 2000. For the first time in Sydney Olympic in 2000 North and South Koreans grabbed their hands and walked together under one Korea. Now, I don't want to say Bush sucks, but I can say this. George W. Bush is responsible for North Korea being such a aggressive nation.

[HeinousDude]

At 1/3/03 10:48 PM, Drimarki wrote: News in the last few weeks have been grim. North Korea's hatred toward United States have at last exploded, and now North Korea is doing several serious measures. They have already deactivated the UN security cameras so that they can't detect whether North Korea is making nuclear weapons. Few days ago North Korea has nullified the NPT. NPT is an act stating that North Korea will not activate any more reactors to make nuclear weapons. Now it seems to me that North Korea will make nuclear weapons without anybody to stop.

And...guess what? This has happened ever since Bush and his aggressiveness came in. I miss Clinton's days. As I have stated before, Year 2000 was the peak between North and South Korea's relations. South Korea's president Kim Dae Jung has went to Pyongyang to meet North Korean leader Kim Jung Il in year 2000. For the first time in Sydney Olympic in 2000 North and South Koreans grabbed their hands and walked together under one Korea. Now, I don't want to say Bush sucks, but I can say this. George W. Bush is responsible for North Korea being such a aggressive nation.

Exactly what i'm saying. I missed Clinton too. Who cares if he had an affair? That was a family matter! Having an affair doesn't make him less effective as the nation's leader. I am not saying he's the best, there've been better ones before, but at least he's better than Bush. Because before this we had no known reason to be afraid of North Korea.

[Ted-Easton]

everyone should have left Clinton alone.
The country has no buisness in the bedroom of it's president.

[Drimarki]

President George W. Bush now says that he have no intention to attack North Korea, and he said that he will solve this issue diplomatically, by talking to North Korea. He also says that he will cooperate with South Korea, Japan, and China for this issue. Bush has backed off from hostility towards North Korea. This is a good news, as none of us wants war in Korean Peninsula (except for redheads). Although Bush still said that United States will not talk with North Korea unless they abandon their nuclear weapons, I believe United States would still be able to talk, as North Korea is desperate and out of desperation revived the nuclear program. Now let us cross our fingers and see what Bush does to North Korea.

[Red-XXV]

Of course Bush will seek diplomatic recourse to the situation. North Korea has nuclear weapons (at least 2) and they have the missle capability to send them right on over to the US. With Iraq, Bush has complete military superiority, but starting a fight with someone who can do to you what you can do to them with nuclear weapons is not a good idea. If he's labeled as provoking a nuclear power, it won't be good for his precious ratings. Bush did start this whole mess by saying North Korea was a member of the Axis of Evil. The US then goes and prepares to attack Iraq. North Korea figured they may be next on the list and decided they would put a stop to that. What North Korea wants most in this situation is a non-aggression pact with the US to ensure the US won't be invading once they're through with Iraq (personally, I think our forces will make a right turn and surprise the hell out of Iran). Mainly what Bush has to do in this situation is sit down and assure North Korea he won't attack them. But I don't think Bush can do that. He's so used to making people bow before the might of the US (what he did to the UN was almost criminal), that I don't think he'll accept compromise.

[Xain]

what u says all well and good, but the longer north korea is left, the closer they get to actually making the nuke... and about iraq... saddam has attacked his neighbouring countries... whats to stop him doing it again?

[Red-XXV]

I hate to break it to you Xain, but North Korea already has 2 confirmed nuclear weapons. The fear is they'll be able to make more powerful weapons if they pursue the technology.