what is happening to the world?

[mulder-xuk]

I was watching the news today and i saw something about an arms deal betweek north korea and yemen and it said that usa imposed sanctions against north korea. i was thinking what right does the usa have to do that to another country. the answer i came to is they don't. the only reason that its done is that the usa thinks they have the right to rule the entire world is because the usa knows no one will stand up to them. if you look at canada they will be brought down if america stops trading with them. the uk is basically too weak to do anything. the only ones i can see standing up to the usa is china and even then they aren't even close to that sort of power. i fear that we will be plunged into a society similar to that in 1984 novel. could you imagine being in a constant war and every few years another group takes your place and you back them up??

think about it

if something doesnt happen soon the usa will control everything and maybe even everyone

(no offence to any americans. when i say usa i mean the government not the people some americans rock like tom fulp)

[MarijuanaClock]

Economic Sanctions are nothing new. Although I don't agree with America's foriegn policy, they don't have to trade with anyone they don't want to(unless bound by a free trade agreement). You shouldn't be forced to trade with people you don't want to trade with. Thats simple enough.

Although it is hypocritical that America trades with communist China and not N. Korea or Cuba. It is still within their right to decide were their goods go.

[Drimarki]

At 12/11/02 03:23 PM, MarijuanaClock wrote: Although it is hypocritical that America trades with communist China and not N. Korea or Cuba. It is still within their right to decide were their goods go.

United States trades with China because they know they would benefit from trading with China. Think about it. China has 1.3 billion people (and increasing), which means that the market is huge. There are a lot of people who would buy the goods from United States. However, for North Korea and Cuba, the population is low. Even though if United States traded with them, United States would not benefit a lot. This is an economic reason.

In 1974, the famous Ping-Pong diplomacy was occured. People's Republic of China and United States had Ping-Pong match, and from that the diplomatic relations between China and United States got closer and closer. Then, when Mao Zedong died in 1979 and Deng Xiaoping succeeded, he made multiplie policies that slowly opened gate of China. One of them, which is Four Modernization plan, called for many foreign corporations to come into China and traded with them. So, we could say that China opened the gate by themselves, and thus United States could go in there. However, for North Korea and Cuba, they are still closing the door. They don't want to trade. That's why United States don't trade with them. This is the political reason.

[RandomFreak]

What happened? Two words, Pearl Harbor. Check your history, before that we kept to ourselves, we didn't get involved in WWII, we said let them deal with it, it's not our problem. But then we were hit and hit hard and since then we've been in the mindset of "We're going to go in and prevent anything that might possibly start to hint at having bad shit happen to us!" And 9/11 only reinforced that.

[mulder-xuk]

so america has to stop anything happening so that america doesn't get hurt again?

that seems pretty shitty to me

and i'm sure george w's relatives who are swinging in the branches of trees would agree

[RandomFreak]

Hey I'm not saying it's right, just saying thats how we got here.

[Angryjeff]

America does have the right to impose sanctions on N.Korea since they are a evil govt and the goverment would spend there money supporting terroists (not revoltionists or freedom fighters) but fantatics then feed there own people. and if the US was truely out to rule the world they would have taken the ship they found. Also just so you'll know canada would not fall if we stopped trading with the states, canada could handle itself perfectly by itself. Hell during californias power outages where do u think most of the your extra power came from

[Drimarki]

The real concern now is about North Korea reviving their nuclear programs. Also, North Korea have officially declared that the Geneva Convention of 1994 is nullified. The Geneva Convention of 1994 states that North Korea would no longer continue on their nuclear programs, and for that North Korea would get free nuclear power plant. This means that sooner or later North Korea would have nuclear weapons and they would use those weapons to terrorize the world. This is not what we want. If North Korea fires its nuclear weapons it would be a disaster. Millions of people would get killed, large percentage of them being civilians.

And this all happened because of President George W. Bush's arrogant policies. North Korea is finally fed up with Bush so they decided to go their own way. Although it would eventually lead to North Korea's defeat, what they are hoping is to terrorize as many people as possible then dissipate. North Korea knows that as soon as they fired nuclear weapon to South Korea or Japan then United States would decimate North Korea. However, since there is no MD (Missile Defense) system, at least one city would be nuked. And that would be disaster. That is one thing that we must work out to prevent. And hopefully George W. Bush knows about seriousness of this issue.

[EmeraldNiteMare]

True...who here thinks World War III's going to erupt from this? Both Iraq and North Korea. Perhaps it won't be as bad as WWII, but in any case, it's a war. And it's about time the world did something about peace, not the alternative...

[Angryjeff]

it wouldn't turn into a world war, the states would go in stomp some ass and be done with it BUT not before at least one nuke was launched causing another one to luanch etc.... thats the problem about going to war now adays not ahving a big drawn out one but having it ended that quickly

[Drimarki]

Agreed. Not only will it be ended shortly, the main concern is there would be a lot of civilian casualties. That is why in the modern world we should avoid war, especially between countries who possess nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons. Who knows? Maybe the next day city of Tokyo or New York will be gone from the map.

[MarijuanaClock]

At 12/13/02 12:19 AM, Angryjeff wrote: America does have the right to impose sanctions on N.Korea since they are a evil govt and the goverment would spend there money supporting terroists (not revoltionists or freedom fighters) but fantatics then feed there own people.

Funny how America and N Korea have supported the same people. In the 80s America was supporting freedom fighters and in the 90s-00s N Korea is supporting terrorists ............ er .. =\

[Angryjeff]

this all really makes u think how great technolgy really is. Not very sure back int he 1700-1800's warfare didn't exactly have stratgy but it was a gentlemens thing and leaders had respect for each other (it was customary to give the opposing general a gift before the battle). Now adays wars are fought 3 on 3 in back alleys, there are no more battles there are assasnations, worker strikes, terriosim. Every country attacks in a way the other one can't defend agaisnt the problem is that usally involves bombing the hell out countrys with no air defense and usally hitting civil targets or by flying planes into buildings. In war no adays no one is the good guy or bad guy there arn't even shades of gray. War now has become a money making scheme by the corprate sector or a way for the religious fanatics to gain a stronger hold on there people. The swiss have the right idea, nuetrality is the only way to go, i say fuck em all

[EmeraldNiteMare]

Very true...the glory of technology. Once a race get's to the technology level we're at, it can destroy itself. Any nuclear explosion, or accident, would affect the entire world. Nuclear warfare isn't going to be fun nor pretty, thanks to the advances in technology we have. Maybe nations around the world should think about more advanced defensive methods than the ones we have now, judging by the rise in technology, it should be possible.

[Drimarki]

United States have already tested defense against missiles...for three times I believe. All three times they have failed. This means that people are already considering about having some kind of defense against missiles. Currently, when someone fires a missile, we have nothing to do but to watch it fall next to our home.

However, unless someone is an idiot or in really desperate condition, it is unlikely that that person will fire a nuclear missile. Just think about that missile hitting a city with 10 million people. Wouldn't that person at least feel some kind of regret for those 10 million innocent people? Even though advances in technology have made possible to make weapons that could blow up the entire Earth, humanity still have a part in this.

[EmeraldNiteMare]

True...humanity obviously plays a major role in weapons of mass destruction, for it's they whom created them.

your comment, drimarki, on a person firing on a city with 10 million people is also quite true. First of all, a normal citizen wouldn't have access to such weaponry. The only people with access are the government and the military (and perhaps those whom made the weapons). If such weapons were fired upon such a large civilian population, it would probably be because of some war going on. WWII is a good example, the bombs dropped in Japan.

As for defense systems, I'm not sure if it's just the matter of 3 tests...but anyhow, at the moment, the technology used in offensive weaponry is much more advanced than the technology used in defensive weapons systems.

[Spazzoid]

The worlds in the shitter...look around at whats goin on. THreats of nuclear war...terrorism...The ENTIRE planet is ripping itself apart. But...when all the currentworld leaders are dead...who is gonna take over? WE ARE! THE YOUTH OF THE NATION!!

[EmeraldNiteMare]

That would be nice...once a race gets to the nuclear age, its at the point where it can destroy itself.