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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks Dec. 8th, 2012 @ 08:27 PM Reply

At 12/8/12 08:08 PM, EJR wrote: Maybe "lazy" was the wrong word to use. It's more like you guys have gotten too comfortable with us removing stuff on the spot. Please just provide us with a little more info than "this guy."

Fair enough, in future I will provide more information on the reason that I have chosen to report a flash. Even if the most I can give is "he's done it before and look at the thing" for most shovelware cases.


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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks Dec. 8th, 2012 @ 08:40 PM Reply

At 12/8/12 08:08 PM, EJR wrote: Maybe "lazy" was the wrong word to use. It's more like you guys have gotten too comfortable with us removing stuff on the spot. Please just provide us with a little more info than "this guy."

The bad thing about this is I was doing the exact same thing when I first started posting here, and it looks like I've fallen into that habit again. I'll make sure to say exactly why/give more info on why I'm posting something here in future.

We do appreciate your work but sometimes I just feel like this thread has become a race for who can post shovelware / stolen content the fastest.

Not in the slightest from my point of view. For me, it's if I see something abusive, I just post it (unless someone already has.) How it could be seen as a "race" I have no idea.


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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks Dec. 8th, 2012 @ 09:05 PM Reply

At 12/8/12 07:45 PM, Zachary wrote:
At 12/8/12 05:37 PM, Spretznaz wrote: Repeat offender
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/607351
What exactly is rule breaking about this?

And sorry about that. He stole it from here.


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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks Dec. 9th, 2012 @ 01:25 AM Reply

At 12/8/12 07:50 PM, EJR wrote:
At 12/8/12 07:48 PM, Zachary wrote:
At 12/7/12 06:00 PM, gamejunkie wrote: Okay. Here's another STOLEN game. I know I've seen this elsewhere but again I can't remember where. But to justify my knowing it's stolen, just hit the Credits button and see that he has cleverly removed all the credits.
Also, just a heads up. If you are going to link something and claim it is stolen, then you MUST provide the link of the original. I cannot stress enough how important this is.

First off to Zachary. 99.9% of the time I do, do all the homework and find all the necessary details required, even though I'm not a Portal Mod and it's not my job to do so. You on the other hand are a Portal Mod and it's your job to do the checking, verifying and if necessary deleting of questionable games. But regardless of that, I'm intrigued as to why you chose my post in particular to use as an example, since as I have already mentioned above 99.9% of the time I actually do the right thing by posting all necessary and needed details? In the future please refrain from using me as a scapegoat by pointing out (the 1 of maybe 3 or 4 times, out of the 100's of posts I have made here) when I do happen to make a post like that, it's completely uncalled for. Just accept that it sometimes happens, check it for yourself (like a Portal Mod should) like you did with this one and carry on like it never happened. Is it really that difficult? I think not.

Now to EJR. No complaints for you just a correction of an error you seem to have made.

The portal mod that took it down should have known better. Please do not remove anything unless there is solid proof.

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apparently was not deleted by a Portal Mod, it was removed by the author according to the current page, click the link and see for yourself.
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And no offence intended but you both might want to note that currently Decky, Spretznaz and myself are the 3 main contributors to this thread and the removal of nearly all the shovelware and stolen games are due to our posts and that 99% of the time we know what is stolen and 100% of the time we know what is shovelware as do the other more regular Portal Mods that delete the afore mentioned flash games that we post here, hence their acceptance of our sometimes short explanations,ie: serial offender, generic ATV game, shovelware. Whatever we post here, it's because we know it is, what it is. It's not 'LAZINESS' it's more of a why should we have to type out an essay every time for every game that the same person submits over and over again, gamesgrow and all its ALTs are a prime example. We know all the gamesgrow alts, do you guys? So instead of us writing an essay about every single game that we post here, it's a whole lot easier and quicker for us to just put, "gamesgrow alt" or "serial offender" so that you guys don't have to constantly check them. It's really not as bad as what you guys are making it out to be. I feel a little lenience where Decky, Spretzie and myself are concerned would be appropriate. We know what we are doing.

In regards to stolen content. I agree whole-heartedly with what you have both said and I try my best to find where the games are stolen from (as I'm sure Decky and Spretzie do too) and 99.9% of the time I post all the relevant information required but it's not always possible to find them. I have visited 1000's of websites over the years and can't always remember where I've seen stuff, please keep in mind that I'm old(er than you guys) and most of the time I'm heavily medicated. Add to that the fact that GOOGLE, albeit extremely helpful is not the answer to every problem and you can't find everything with it. We will do our best in the future as we have in the past but please try be a little lenient where the 3 of us are concerned in regards to bonafide shovelware.

This is just my opinion, make of it what you will.

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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks Dec. 9th, 2012 @ 01:45 AM Reply

At 12/9/12 01:25 AM, gamejunkie wrote: crying

I used your post as an example because it refers to what I was saying? You posted it with no source. I don't really care if your other ones have the source of where it is stolen from. That one didn't and if you don't care enough to post where it is stolen from then maybe you shouldn't bother posting it at all. As for my job as a portal mod, I've never removed a stolen game or movie without double checking myself (like you were too incompetent to do this time). I kind of know that's my job, which is why I do check? I don't get where you were going with that.

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We know all the gamesgrow alts, do you guys?

I just wanted to add that you are a condescending asshole because, well you are.

Toodles!

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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks Dec. 9th, 2012 @ 01:58 AM Reply

At 12/9/12 01:45 AM, Zachary wrote: stuff

So what you're essentially saying is, if one of us finds an uncredited flash submitted by someone who previously stole every single game they've posted, and we know for a fact we've seen it before somewhere but can't quickly find it through a google search, it's automatically NOT stolen?


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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks Dec. 9th, 2012 @ 02:08 AM Reply

At 12/9/12 01:25 AM, gamejunkie wrote: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/607301
apparently was not deleted by a Portal Mod, it was removed by the author according to the current page, click the link and see for yourself.
ERROR - This project has been removed by the author. It may return later.

First of all, I wasn't necessarily talking about the stuff you linked. I meant it for something linked by someone else.

Secondly, we don't see that when we visit the pages. We see all unpublished movies and games as if they were still published with a little message at the top that tells us they're unpublished. Unless we sign out we can't easily tell if a mod did it or not.

Whatever we post here, it's because we know it is, what it is. It's not 'LAZINESS' it's more of a why should we have to type out an essay every time for every game that the same person submits over and over again, gamesgrow and all its ALTs are a prime example. We know all the gamesgrow alts, do you guys? So instead of us writing an essay about every single game that we post here, it's a whole lot easier and quicker for us to just put, "gamesgrow alt" or "serial offender" so that you guys don't have to constantly check them.

As far as shovelware goes, and I'm not too sure about other portal mods, but I always check them out before making a move. I already know I can always get rid of stuff by maxfod, or asitgames, or anything that you guys report as a gamegrow alt. You don't have to type out an essay detailing everything they did wrong. If they're a repeat offender that doesn't pop up that often then just link something you've reported by them in the past and we'll take care of it. If we had better tools you could write gibberish for all I care.

In regards to stolen content. I agree whole-heartedly with what you have both said and I try my best to find where the games are stolen from (as I'm sure Decky and Spretzie do too) and 99.9% of the time I post all the relevant information required but it's not always possible to find them.

The movie and game portals are no different than the audio or art portals in terms of stolen content. In order for something to be removed off of those portals, the moderators more or less require you to provide proof, and if they have to look into it further then they will. Unless it's painfully obvious, and in the case of movies and games it generally IS NOT, we'd like you to provide the information. Whenever the flagging option comes back you'd most likely have to provide links anyway. It's no different for the audio portal cleanup thread...


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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks Dec. 9th, 2012 @ 02:15 AM Reply

At 12/9/12 01:58 AM, Spretznaz wrote: So what you're essentially saying is...

Except that's not what I'm saying at all.

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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks Dec. 9th, 2012 @ 02:20 AM Reply

Also I don't want there to be any bad blood. I've put forth a simple request. I'd like there to be no more discussion on this.


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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks Dec. 9th, 2012 @ 02:25 AM Reply

At 12/9/12 02:20 AM, EJR wrote: Also I don't want there to be any bad blood. I've put forth a simple request. I'd like there to be no more discussion on this.

Yeah, it wasn't meant to be an issue or to ruffle anyone's feathers. We just requested that you guys please provide a link to where you believe something is stolen from.

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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks Dec. 9th, 2012 @ 02:46 AM Reply

At 12/9/12 01:45 AM, Zachary wrote: Abusive stuff as usual and typical of children your age.

Don't worry Zachary it will pass in a few years.

I just wanted to add that you are a condescending asshole because, well you are.

Abuse, abuse, abuse. It seems to be all you know how to do when someone opposes your opinion. And lookie, lookie there you go again abusing me for absolutely no good reason just because I make a few good legitimate points that you don't agree with. How sad. Abusing other NG users for no good reason, now that's the kind of conduct that all NG Mods should aspire too. Seriously don't you think it's time to get over your petty jealousies Zachary?

I would just like to add that I'm truly sorry for the .1% of my posts that offended you so much and made me in your eyes (incompetent). I feel so, so, so bad that you feel that way. Obviously the 99.9% of the time I post correctly could never counteract the .1% mistake I made. Shame on me. Oh well, I'll just have to live with being incompetent.

At 12/9/12 02:08 AM, EJR wrote: Sensible stuff that was helpful, insightful, explained a lot and made complete sense.

Thanks EJR for your very sensible and very adult response. The type of response I expect from a quality adult Mod. Very much appreciated.

As for bad blood and abuse you can clearly see it came from one person only and it wasn't me. I'm done. Thanks EJR.

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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks Dec. 9th, 2012 @ 09:28 AM Reply

At 12/9/12 01:25 AM, gamejunkie wrote: This is just my opinion, make of it what you will.

I agree completely with what you are saying. It's a shame that this has happened because to be honest I'm starting to wonder what the point of checking The Portal and reporting the shit if this is how we are going to be treated by The Portal Mods. Maybe I'm just being too sensitive to what I consider people being dicks.


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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks Dec. 9th, 2012 @ 09:58 AM Reply

Something you all seem to have forgotten:

Portal mods are (mostly) not forum mods. There is exactly zero official reason to pay attention to them with regards to what gets posted in this thread if you don't want to. Like, if they start being annoying and ungrateful about the help they do get.

This particular argument seems to have been solved, but in future could everyone remember the old rule about NOT turning this thread into a flame war? It doesn't matter if it's a troll or a mod (yes, it has happened before); derailing a thread with bickering is still derailing it, no matter who started it or why.

That said, I don't like the lack of links either. You wouldn't leave out the necessary evidence of theft / shovelware in a PM to Wade, so why leave it out of any reports here? If you 'know' it's been stolen or re-skinned a million times before, but all the proof you can think of has been removed already, just mark it as "possible" like we used to when I was a member here, and let everyone else decide for themselves and / or bring some evidence to the table you didn't find yourself. At least you're acknowledging the fact that you don't have all the info needed, but you did look into it and are not just being spurious about posting links here.

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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks Dec. 9th, 2012 @ 10:20 AM Reply

At 12/9/12 02:46 AM, gamejunkie wrote: butthurt.

Sorry you got so upset over this post which is absolutely not an attack.

You're really bad at this passive aggressive stuff and if you are supposedly 45 you still have a lot of growing up to do if you spend your time trying to belittle a 19 year old lmao.

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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks Dec. 9th, 2012 @ 10:32 AM Reply

Right, the bullshit arguments end here. I'm not taking sides and while I agreed with the portal mods asking for more source on if a certain content is stolen, I am not happy with anyone passing insults around here. I believe you all have genuine contributions to the site (unlike a lot of retards that roam in the General forum) so it's sad to see that it comes down to some of you throwing out words like "butthurt" and "crying" to others.

As a BBS mod as well as a portal mod (although not the most active one out there), I back up the points that more should be explained as to why a submission is abused rather than a generic "this guy" response or anything vague. However, everyone here whether it be portal mods or EGB members should remain civil over the matters.

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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks Dec. 9th, 2012 @ 07:09 PM Reply

This

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is just a re-skinned version of this

http://www.bngames.com/games/save-your-boyfriend/

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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks Dec. 9th, 2012 @ 07:14 PM Reply

Shovelware. A generic Car Parking Game.

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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks Dec. 9th, 2012 @ 07:34 PM Reply

Shovelware from a serial offender. Just another generic Ping Pong game. Also it's credited to VigorGames which if you care to check is virtually a blank page website.

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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks Dec. 9th, 2012 @ 07:43 PM Reply

Well it is busy this month being December and having a new internet company, Sky being a nightmare to use so slow and it has awful slow my internme speed this month. The stress of this internet provider is annoying I miss other one we had. Sky is an ISP provider in the UK. I'm doing really with the Saints Row series I want to get the third one now. Anyone got there presents for Xmas I have.


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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks Dec. 9th, 2012 @ 09:02 PM Reply

At 12/9/12 07:43 PM, phantomlassuk wrote: Sky being a nightmare to use

I refuse to give money to Murdoch.

I'm doing really with the Saints Row series I want to get the third one now.

I've played them all apart from the third. I've heard it's pretty much the same as the second but new city and a few new types of activity. Think I'll buy it soon seeing as it can be picked up pretty cheaply.

Anyone got there presents for Xmas I have.

Nope, I got around 30 quid to get all of my presents. It's going to be an interesting Christmas this year, probably will be getting stuff from a petrol station this year.


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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks Dec. 9th, 2012 @ 11:53 PM Reply

Stolen from here.

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This isn't his first time either, I remember he also stole one of Jonbro's flashes back in May.


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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks Dec. 10th, 2012 @ 12:26 AM Reply

Screamer. I shouldn't have to say anything else.

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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks Dec. 10th, 2012 @ 12:47 AM Reply

Asitgames

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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks Dec. 10th, 2012 @ 03:06 AM Reply

At 12/10/12 12:47 AM, Spretznaz wrote: Asitgames
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/607416

It's always the motorbike games that make me laugh. They'll make bike games of the most random big-name character like Mario, or in this case Spongebob, and it makes no sense. Krabburges, really?


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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks Dec. 10th, 2012 @ 05:39 AM Reply

gamesgrow alt

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gamesgrow alt.

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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks Dec. 10th, 2012 @ 09:03 AM Reply

Serial Offender. With another STOLEN Flash.

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also this one of his too STOLEN

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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks Dec. 10th, 2012 @ 10:29 AM Reply

Serial Offender. Shovelware. Generic Dress Up Game. I think that just about covers it.

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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks Dec. 10th, 2012 @ 04:16 PM Reply

Shovelware, generic ATV game

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Gamesgrow alt

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