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At 5/3/12 04:07 PM, SCTE3 wrote:

At 5/3/12 03:26 PM, Decky wrote: If so surely these accounts can and should be deleted.

Some of the accounts do get deleted but they just make new ones to upload crap over time.

I'm guessing that it would be too much to hope that they just give up after they have a few accounts deleted, isn't it. Kinda makes me feel like crap because I put effort into my ocassional flash and there games usually get a higher score.

Whos going to post it? Or do you think a member of staff should do it?

Ah, would be a good idea but there would probably be a need to keep a few shovelware games as examples of what is not acceptable anymore and the such. That and explaining what shovelware is and all. Could also make for a nice flash project where some screenshots are used instead maybe?

I think the idea of a flash is great. That way all of the shovelware games could be deleted.

At 5/3/12 04:30 PM, SCTE3 wrote:

At 5/3/12 04:24 PM, Decky wrote:

I think the idea of a flash is great. That way all of the shovelware games could be deleted.

A flash or a thread about them?

I think a flash would be much better as there are probably more portal-goers rather than BBS-goers on Newgrounds; however, a combination of both would be equally good...but if the users just do the opposite to annoy the thread maker, then I guess it wouldn't work.

Oh, and why not just let ALL the users, ALL of them, no exceptions, be portal banned forever?

That may seem lke a bad idea, but here's the thing: The portal ban is -- reversible -- meaning that all the users get the portal ban, and then they're sent a PM automatically. If they click a link in that PM, then they'll automatically be portal-unbanned. This only applies to those who have NOT already been portal banned, so regular users who comply with the rules will get the reversal message; since the shovelware accounts do not go to the portal or otherwise even ANSWER private messages, and just submit flash, then it'd make sense to ban all of them and only let through the *legitimate* accounts.

Is that a good idea or not? Yay or nay?

At 5/4/12 01:44 AM, Gimmick wrote:

At 5/3/12 04:30 PM, SCTE3 wrote:

At 5/3/12 04:24 PM, Decky wrote: I think the idea of a flash is great. That way all of the shovelware games could be deleted.

A flash or a thread about them?

I think a flash would be much better as there are probably more portal-goers rather than BBS-goers on Newgrounds; however, a combination of both would be equally good...but if the users just do the opposite to annoy the thread maker, then I guess it wouldn't work.

I agree that a flash would be a better idea then a thread. I think a thread would only work if it was started by a mod or user who carried a lot of respect in the forums. This would hopefully prevent spammers or general dicks in the thread.

Oh, and why not just let ALL the users, ALL of them, no exceptions, be portal banned forever?

Is that a good idea or not? Yay or nay?

I'd say that it's a good idea, I'm not going to lie I'm a little confused as to how it will work even after your explanation but as much as I got seemed to be an idea that could work.

At 5/4/12 03:32 AM, Decky wrote:

Is that a good idea or not? Yay or nay?

I'd say that it's a good idea, I'm not going to lie I'm a little confused as to how it will work even after your explanation but as much as I got seemed to be an idea that could work.

It's like that "perma review ban" from when Canas' account was compromised: It showed a link that said "Click here to appeal your ban" which was malicious -- it's the same like that for this case, except here it's not malicious; it IS a flash portal ban appeal, and if you can provide proof you are a legit user then you're unbanned. This cannot happen for those who have existing bans. I'm thinking this can be done because admins know which people were banned, so they can "blacklist" those users.

And then you click the link, then something happens, you get another PM in an hour or two, and you're unbanned.

This will not happen for shovelware accounts because they don't reply to PMs, so even if they receive it they won't respond to it. Of course, there is no actual "expiration date" for that, as users can appeal whenever they want, as there is a chance that users can be inactive for as much as 2 years.

So when a normal user has arrived from his 10 year break from NG, he checks that PM, poof! He's unbanned, and he continues to a) ignore NG or b) visit NG regularly.

This works, as said before, on the assumption that shovelware accounts are bot-like and so do not reply to PMs; thus, EVERY user is "considered" a shovelware account, UNTIL they reply to that PM. They can't submit anything until they reply or click that link? Good. They bother to click that link and they resume. The ones who are not accessing NG won't have any problem since they're not accessing it anyways.

Win-win.

At 5/4/12 05:17 AM, Gimmick wrote: (stuff)

It's a good idea although i see a problem with it. New shovelware accounts could just be created and after all the trouble of creating a bot (or if Tom sent the PMs himself or whatever) to distribute the messages it seems like quite a big fault and because of that I don't think they would do it.

At 5/4/12 06:00 AM, Decky wrote:

At 5/4/12 05:17 AM, Gimmick wrote: (stuff)

It's a good idea although i see a problem with it. New shovelware accounts could just be created and after all the trouble of creating a bot (or if Tom sent the PMs himself or whatever) to distribute the messages it seems like quite a big fault and because of that I don't think they would do it.

Ah. Well. Here's something I didn't anticipate.

Okay then, the best solution is the same method, only an IP ban instead of a portal ban.

At 5/4/12 06:31 AM, Gimmick wrote: IP ban instead of a portal ban.

O' the good old fashioned IP ban. Still has a few problems but I agree that it is probably the best way to get them to stop. Maybe when the flash mods are instated then one of there duties would be to keep an eye out for these shovelware games. I'd love to be a flash mod, sounds like it could be fun.

At 5/4/12 11:41 AM, SCTE3 wrote: Can you imagine how many threads would be made from various users whining and complaining they got a portal ban for no reason?

I can't be the only one that thinks this is a good idea just to see how many of threads are made by these idiots. I'd be understandable if it wasn't pointed out in a NG news thread.

At 5/4/12 12:32 PM, Decky wrote:

At 5/4/12 11:41 AM, SCTE3 wrote: Can you imagine how many threads would be made from various users whining and complaining they got a portal ban for no reason?

I can't be the only one that thinks this is a good idea just to see how many of threads are made by these idiots. I'd be understandable if it wasn't pointed out in a NG news thread.

If it was sitewide then Tom would probably alert all the users so as to not make them revolt. The PM would also say something along the lines of "This is a test portal ban. From today we are banning all shovelware accounts. To prove you are a legit account, please click here. Oh, and the link is safe. -Tom"

At 5/4/12 01:39 PM, SCTE3 wrote: Portal banning everyone just to keep a few accounts from uploading content is still a terrible idea.

Precisely.

That's why our focus is on shovelware accounts that submit twice a day everyday.

Just sayin'

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I saw this under judgement before, and no changes were made.

also I think screamers are against the rules

At 5/4/12 10:03 PM, SCTE3 wrote: So aside from it being a screamer, it doesn't do anything?

Eh, I don't think it does anything more, because as misty said, the previous one was the same and that was a screamer (at least, it was a pic of a roblox guy saying "i am teh noobz", because my volume was on mute.
I'm sure it'll get blammed eventually.

At 5/4/12 10:03 PM, SCTE3 wrote:

At 5/4/12 09:54 PM, MistyEntertainment wrote: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/594953
I saw this under judgement before, and no changes were made.

also I think screamers are against the rules

So aside from it being a screamer, it doesn't do anything?

pretty much it, but it was still re-submitted without any changes.

At 5/4/12 09:54 PM, MistyEntertainment wrote: also I think screamers are against the rules

I have to ask, what is a screamer?

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If I see one more version of Snake I don't know what I'll do. I'm guessing that there is a tutorial that can be found that gives you the programming so it takes little effort at all. Why would you upload it, if I wanted to play Snake I'd buy an old Nokia.

I've seen a few things in the portal over the passed few hours that have been marker by the genre mods as stolen. I didn't think that it was worth bringing them up in here but for future reference should I? I mean, after they have been marked they will more then defiantly get blammed anyway so whats the point.

Just a video ripped off of Youtube:

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At 5/7/12 10:36 AM, SCTE3 wrote: Seems some voters choose to ignore tags altogether.

Sometimes I lose a little faith in the NG Portal system but I guess that is why we are here.